DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's flopping globally.

It's got to have insane legs for it to do otherwise. Maybe Gunn fans are doing the MLM scheme and trying to take one other friend to see it every day or something.

 

[Overly Serious]

She seems like she’d play a good Hawkgirl. Especially since Jason Momoa got recasted as Lobo, I wonder if James Gunn considered it before choosing Isabela Merced.

Probably not a change in Hell she was considered. Gunn would want to put a lot of distance between himself and Snyderverse, even though Flash is Snyderverse adjacent, sort of.

I can't judge Merced's acting as I've never seen her in anything but physically she's not remotely the part. The Thanagarians would have quietly shuffled her egg out into a winter's night before she hatched.

 

[anti SJW]

Theory:
Supergirl's parents told her to do what Superman's parents told him to do.

Fuck anyone on earth to keep the Krypton blood line going. That's why she's never on earth because she needs to get drunk to forget what her parents want her to be.

A baby machine that makes Bonnie Blue look like Mother Theresa.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

It's flopping globally.

I know the movie has made less than Superman v Batman. But is $220 million over a weekend considered a flop?

 

[Overly Serious]

Theory:
Supergirl's parents told her to do what Superman's parents told him to do.

Fuck anyone on earth to keep the Krypton blood line going. That's why she's never on earth because she needs to get drunk to forget what her parents want her to be.

A baby machine that makes Bonnie Blue look like Mother Theresa.

Or sticking with the concept that she was sent to help look after Kal and such, to play the role of his wingman, or the Ghislaine Maxwell to his Jeffery Epstein. Actually, no - worse than that. If they're after preserving pure Kryptonian bloodlines, to couple with her cousin and produce as many true Kryptionian brats as possible.

This is horrifying. What the Hell were they thinking with this idea? I hate it.

 

[Cactus Concerto]

I know the movie has made less than Superman v Batman. But is $220 million over a weekend considered a flop?

It might be due to the National vs. International split.

With a property like Superman paired with the assumed genre of such a film (mindless popcorn action-focused movie), you kind of assume he's going to do gangbusters in overseas markets because he's such a recognizable name and brand, and overseas tends to end up more into 'brainless' Hollywood fare.

There's also the fact I believe the projections where overly enthusiastic then closer to the film's release they got vastly more conservative, and the film ended up debuting somewhere in the middle of the predictions. With the director saying a Superman movie, one of the tentpoles of DC Comics and superhero fiction in general, doesn't need to have a big opening weekend actually.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible opening but adding more context and weighing reality against expectations the suits likely had sort of paints the film in a lackluster light. It could make good money but it will be with its tail between its legs.

 

[Overly Serious]

It might be due to the National vs. International split.

With a property like Superman paired with the assumed genre of such a film (mindless popcorn action-focused movie), you kind of assume he's going to do gangbusters in overseas markets because he's such a recognizable name and brand, and overseas tends to end up more into 'brainless' Hollywood fare.

There's also the fact I believe the projections where overly enthusiastic then closer to the film's release they got vastly more conservative, and the film ended up debuting somewhere in the middle of the predictions. With the director saying a Superman movie, one of the tentpoles of DC Comics and superhero fiction in general, doesn't need to have a big opening weekend actually.

I don't think it's necessarily a terrible opening but adding more context and weighing reality against expectations the suits likely had sort of paints the film in a lackluster light. It could make good money but it will be with its tail between its legs.

Do you think the success or failure of Peacemaker will impact things? I made it two episodes before just turning it off and forgetting it existed. But I'm fussy. More to the point my mate who has execrable taste in media and numbers the Michael Bay Transformer movies amongst his all time greats of cinema, got bored and stopped watching it. And that's newsworthy.

So I'm thinking S2 wont be a big success. I never really heard much about it after some initial puff pieces.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

220M global gross means around $100M net for WB vs a $225M* budget. It MAY net about $50M more over its theater life.

*blah blah blah, that's the announced production budget, realistically its total is much much higher.

 

[Cactus Concerto]

Do you think the success or failure of Peacemaker will impact things? I made it two episodes before just turning it off and forgetting it existed. But I'm fussy. More to the point my mate who has execrable taste in media and numbers the Michael Bay Transformer movies amongst his all time greats of cinema, got bored and stopped watching it. And that's newsworthy.

So I'm thinking S2 wont be a big success. I never really heard much about it after some initial puff pieces.

Personal opinion rather than anything concrete but I think people care about DC spin-offs in relation to their films even less than people care about Marvel's spin-offs in the current day. Peacemaker's biggest draw for non-comic books fans is likely John Cena. Unless DC makes a massive push trying to tie the properties together, which would be a little too late, I doubt there'll be a noticeable bump for the film.

If anything, the show might see a downtick after the PR nonsense with Gunn, the 3 year gap since the first season, and the Superman promotional coverage blunders on display. But people seemed to enjoy the show (based purely on the Wiki article) so if gives its existing viewer base what they want in that bubble, it'll likely be fine.

Also: considering The Suicide Squad (featuring John Cena's Peacemaker) made even less than Superman did its opening weekend over the course of its entire theatrical run (even failing to match its budget), I doubt it's going to cause any changes for Supes one way or the other.

220M global gross means around $100M net for WB vs a $225M* budget. It MAY net about $50M more over its theater life.

*blah blah blah, that's the announced production budget, realistically its total is much much higher.

They went and used roughly the same budget they did making Man of Steel. At a time where comic book properties were arguably at their peak financially. They thought it was a good idea for their second try at a Superman movie, a little over a decade later (ignoring Cavill's later appearances), probably because Gunn's Guardians film also had roughly the same budget and racked in a surprising amount of dough.

Ignoring how much money was sunk into Gunn to have him head whatever new direction DC is trying to go in.

Unless this film holds really well over the coming weeks, I don't see the returns on this looking that amazing. On their own, they might look fine but if I was a suit at Warner, I wouldn't be happy. By this point a known, name director like Gunn (stolen from the enemy camp no less!) and a brand like Superman should be managing to pull in numbers on par with Jurassic World its opening weekend. And that's just in comparison to the State-side opening. I would expect way more from this deal than middling numbers and more or less breaking even.

Again, this is Superman. Snyder's MoS making lukewarm numbers was understandable because it was a noticeable departure from what Superman is in a lot of people's heads. Why raise him from the dead and do this again with a fresh coat of paint for more or less the exact same results? At least point just make the Supergirl movie with a smaller budget and move on with it.

But the budget in and of itself is baffling because yes, Superman is a name brand yada yada, but I do think its value has diminished over the years. Why the budget for what could have easily been a more down-to-earth take on the hero was that massive is beyond me. Especially after their success with The Joker (reportedly under $100k).

 

[Your Starter for 10]

But the budget in and of itself is baffling because yes, Superman is a name brand yada yada, but I do think its value has diminished over the years

Well this was SUPPOSED to be the tentpole that set up the DCU going forward, which Gunn was supposed to run a la Feige did for Marvel. So with that as the plan, I coild see having that sized budget. But obviously it failed (it failed because it's both a stupid way to do things and because Gunn is a moron), so the big question now is what they do. My assumption is they'll continue with Gunn, anf blame Trump and "Superhero fatigue" for the failure, as doing otherwise woild force them to admit they made a mistake...but possibly they'll do so with lower budgets and lower expectations.

Ideally they would just cut and run and turn everything over to Reeves, but that's so unlikely I shouldn't even mention it. I don't like Pattinson or nigger Catwoman, but at least Reeves somewhat "gets" Batman and isn't as retarded as Gunn.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I know the movie has made less than Superman v Batman. But is $220 million over a weekend considered a flop?

Superhero movie budgets have gotten out of hand, but even if this was cheaper than normal Superhero movies...

SUPERMAN earned just over what Ant Man 3 did in it's opening weekend, sure it might make money but the fact that DC's biggest Draw can barely outpace the D list Marvel Guy 3 years after the MCU's peak is an absolute felting.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Not only did Midnight Edge open his video by saying the international audiences failed Superman. He is using the argument that no one cares or has superheroes outside of America for Superman flopping. Even ignoring Ultraman and Kamen Rider from japan this statement is retarded. The British Invasion in American comics during the 80s is mostly due to miracleman. The most popular superhero cartoon worldwide right now is about French superheroes.

 

[Calandrino]

Having superman laser babies or something does that far more effectively.

disagreed

Or sticking with the concept that she was sent to help look after Kal and such, to play the role of his wingman, or the Ghislaine Maxwell to his Jeffery Epstein. Actually, no - worse than that. If they're after preserving pure Kryptonian bloodlines, to couple with her cousin and produce as many true Kryptionian brats as possible.

This is horrifying. What the Hell were they thinking with this idea? I hate it.

The retarded lore change that nobody is talking about is that the Fortress of Solitude is now in Antarctica instead of the North Pole. You can't spit in the fans' face like that and not expect to pay the price at the box office.

 

[The Nothingness]

Don't you dare call YouTubers who got early access, gifts, and are on the back of comic books shills. They are living their childhood dream, dammit!

 

[Rimanah]

But is $220 million over a weekend considered a flop?

Certainly by WB standards, but anything short of kickstarting an MCU level success would be a flop by those metrics. Arguably by normal standards as well, but a lot depends on its legs.

Warning, box office autism follows:

It’ll probably limp to profitability, depending on the marketing budget. It seemed like it had a pretty costly marketing campaign, so it’s not impossible the total budget was about 300-350 million. Accounting for theatre’s take it may need 700 million to break even. (Theaters take about half of the box office over the course of a run.) It may hit that, but it has to compete with FF coming out soon too, which will take a bite out of the audience.
Even if it ends up profitable, it won’t be making much. If it ends up doing MoS numbers, it’ll be a minor flop.

 

[Neil]

Saw the film over the weekend. Pretty fun film (I would watch it again. I cannot say the same for like 90% of the Snyderverse).

I don't get all the brouhaha over it being "woke", the most "woke" it got was at the end where Superman gives a speech about being human despite being an alien, but that's like 1970s kids cartoon moral "woke". This version of Jimmy is a womanizing fuckboi who sleeps with female sources to get info from them, Lex physically abuses his girlfriends on screen (and no major point/speech is made about it), Perry White has been black in cartoons and movies forever, Cat Grant is as sexualized and airheaded as she is in the comics, Superman is never emasculated, Lois isn't some #girlboss badass, the film is pretty egalitarian over all.

All of the Twitter leftists gloating about how the film is one big "FUCK THE JEWS ZIONAZIS #FREEPALESTINE" are delusional. Superman has done the "stop the invasion/war" plot a billion times before, and it's almost always about Eastern Europe, which is where Boravia and Jarhanpur are located.

If anything the Prime Minister of Boravia feels more like a general composite of every conquest-hungry leader after the Cold War. Think of the Yugoslav or Chechen wars. I won't doubt that there's some nods towards I/P like the "Boravia is an ally of the USA" line, but I feel like Gunn went more in line with the PM being a parody of Putin/Russian Oligarchs with the whole Troll Bot Farm monkey army scene.

Nicholas Hoult fucking steals the show as Lex, I'm glad Gunn kept Lex as the irredeemable petty psychopath he's supposed to be instead of trying to cram some "feel bad for me" backstory in to humanize him. He's a remorseless, Musk-tier delusional technocratic arms dealer enabled by the US Government to play god in whatever way he damn well pleases. I hope they crank up his insanity more as the DCU goes on.

I haven't kept my eyes on any box office numbers or whatever but I do hope that the DCU finally pushes the MCU to start trying again. No more fucking slop films, no more nostalgia bait. Doomsday and maybe Secret Wars are their last big guaranteed box office hits, but once the last of the old guard fully retires (or becomes to expensive to pay, they can't afford to fuck around anymore.

 

[BiggestKai]

How was Jimmy Olson?
I've recently remembered how he was in the Synder movies, a CIA agent who dies really quickly and I wish I didn't.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

How was Jimmy Olson?
I've recently remembered how he was in the Synder movies, a CIA agent who dies really quickly and I wish I didn't.

Extremely ugly looking

 

[anti SJW]

Dog adoption interest rises

Say what you will about the movie, but this is a very good thing.

 

[Commander X]

The defining Lex Luthor moment for me is when he builds a computer to figure out who Superman is and when it spits out "Clark Kent" he scraps the computer because it's obviously flawed. He is smart enough to work out something nobody else could but unable to conceive of someone with Superman's power living a humble life.

And that's what makes a classic villain - someone who is undone by their own critical flaw, something that separates them by that one thing from being the hero. To him Superman is a peer, a rival, the one real challenge to his self-identity as the greatest person ever. Such a person who can make Lex secretly doubt himself cannot be an ordinary man. In any aspect.

Of course the other defining moment for Lex Luthor is when he stole forty cakes. That's as many as four tens.

There was one comic storyline where Luthor has a shot at tapping into a power that will make him omnipotent and allow him to build the sort of utopia he thinks he wants to bring about with the best interests of humanity at heart. He gains this power but one condition of having it is he can't do anything negative with it - and he ends up whiffing it because having such power is useless to him if he can't' use it to finally prove to Superman that he is superior to the Man of Steel, because he just can't let go of his grudge and he loses the power that had, for a brief moment, brought him universal happiness and benevolent vibes and the harder he tries to kill Superman with it, the quicker it goes away.