GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

[WelperHelper99]

the only thing that makes this card interesting is how nvidia fucked up with the v1, other than that a 1080ti/2070+ is much better if you find it for less than 150$ if, and i mean IF you have a oldass pc that you can't arse yourself tossing it away for chinks to melt the parts down, i guess branding and shieet makes these old stuff be seen as valuable by niggers in the used market, it's fucking pain.

It's valuable to me nigga. It was slow as fuck but that was the potato in my dad's PC that let me have fun. Nobody bought a 1080TI at launch lol, I paid retail for the 1030 when building that rig ages ago. Now it's dismantled, but that old EVGA card is still cool looking. Had a blower fan and shit

 

[Slav Power]

well that's not unsurprising all things considered, if that shit was native then input lag wouldn't be a big problem but hey, people would look more into using older GPU's to play games instead of forking out 100$ for a 4GB card that is new.

I'd get a ton more of usage from it on my 3090 if not for the input lag. There are titles that predate even the 900 series that simply weren't optimized for modern multi-threaded CPU's and modding, like GTA:SA and Crysis that could use that frame gen to up the final smoothness without the input lag. Like I said, frame gen is great for filling in the gaps, but sometimes the games that you want to play simply cannot use your hardware to it's fullest due to their age.

The 1030 doesn't get enough credit. It powered my childhood PC gaming. Yes it sucked. But it also worked. Just make sure you have lots of system ram for it to dig into and it'll run a lot of games that were released in the time it came out.

My PC in it's initial form back in 2015 had a GT 730 which I used to play GTA V right after the first working crack came out, and before that I kept my PC running for 3 days to torrent the initial release. Next year I bought a brand new 1060 right before the first crypto boom, and that has served me until I got this 3090. It still works of course, but it lives in the second PC built from all the leftover parts from upgrading the first PC. It kinda went full circle.

But basically the 1030 was the 730 and the 730 was okay-ish enough as a GPU.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

GT 1030 still sells for $40-50 on ebay. They also sneak into other systems on ebay that you'd think only have integrated graphics from the title.

AMD launches quad-core Ryzen AI 5 330 based on Krackan Point 2 APU (archive)

Since it uses the FP8 socket, it's not a drop-in replacement for Mendocino, like the rumored but never materialized
"Sonoma Valley". It's also unclear what is on the supposed "Krackan Point 2" die, e.g. it could be 2+4 cores and 4 CUs cut down to 1+3 cores and 2 CUs. It would be great at $200 and less as a Twin Lake competitor but in reality it's going to be $300-400.

Intel preparing Nova Lake-AX, big APU design to counter AMD Strix Halo (archive)

Intel’s Next Major Event to Be Held in Phoenix, Arizona For the First Time, Signaling Its Intent to Compete With TSMC (archive)

 

[WelperHelper99]

My PC in it's initial form back in 2015 had a GT 730 which I used to play GTA V right after the first working crack came out, and before that I kept my PC running for 3 days to torrent the initial release. Next year I bought a brand new 1060 right before the first crypto boom, and that has served me until I got this 3090. It still works of course, but it lives in the second PC built from all the leftover parts from upgrading the first PC. It kinda went full circle.

But basically the 1030 was the 730 and the 730 was okay-ish enough as a GPU.

It was fine if your CPU was good but had no graphics. Had a 2700X. AMD in all their wisdom decided, no, stalker child, we will not give you a APU option, lol lmao. Thats what the 1030 was built for. It wasn't pretty, but it put a picture on the screen and could game at low settings.

 

[Slav Power]

It was fine if your CPU was good but had no graphics. Had a 2700X. AMD in all their wisdom decided, no, stalker child, we will not give you a APU option, lol lmao. Thats what the 1030 was built for. It wasn't pretty, but it put a picture on the screen and could game at low settings.

To be fair, the GT 730 was still a tad bit better than the i5-4460's iGPU, and it was an Nvidia dGPU so it still had more physical leeway in terms of performance.

Then again, the GT 1030 was way better than both combined, and the 1060 demolished that.

And my personal GPU progression was definitely interesting to say the least.

 

[WelperHelper99]

To be fair, the GT 730 was still a tad bit better than the i5-4460's iGPU, and it was an Nvidia dGPU so it still had more physical leeway in terms of performance.
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Then again, the GT 1030 was way better than both combined, and the 1060 demolished that.
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And my personal GPU progression was definitely interesting to say the least.
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I went from a pentium, to some gpu i forget, to a 1030, then to Iris Xe intel Integrated graphics on my laptop, then to a 4070 super. PC gaming most of my life was fucking ass lol.

 

[ZMOT]

I’m going to throw some flame war bait trigger words, “optimization”, “upscaling”, “AI”, “Trump”, “nigger”.

>doesn't mention jews
hooked nose or weak bait?

 

[Mister Fister]

>doesn't mention jews
hooked nose or weak bait?

I forgot to add it, okay?

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Assuming APUs do become the standard for the low to mid range for PCs, should we expect lawsuits from Nvidia or will they just not even try to compete in that space anymore?

Here's another update on an Nvidia chip that would supposedly go into "desktops" (laptops are by far the more lucrative market):

Nvidia's new consumer desktop PC chip reportedly delayed well into 2026 (archive)

Although workstations based on Nvidia's GB10 Superchip processor are reportedly on the cusp of release, Nvidia's CPUs for consumer PCs have been delayed well into 2026, according to a report by SemiAccurate. The company reportedly had to delay its processor due to 'critical hardware defects.' Keep in mind, though, that the information is strictly unofficial, so take it with a grain of salt.

So they are still making "N1/N1X" APUs for consumer laptops, and desktops/mini PCs (not the same chip as the one for AI workstations), but they have supposedly been delayed by months because of some big hardware defects requiring a respin. Not a great situation since it gives competitors more time to respond to it. 6 months could be the difference between competing with Apple M4, AMD Strix, and Qualc Snapdragon X Elite, to M5, Medusa, and X2 Elite.

 

[Gog & Magog]

I went from a family computer (idk what kind) that could play the latest low budget games of 2002 to a computer with Geforce Nforce graphics motherboard that could play the latest low budget games of 2008. At some point I discovered actual discrete graphics and got a GT 710 for emulating gamecube/wii games. My brother and I spent many afternoons playing games that way. lol

 

[Aborted Drink Combo]

I wish there was more of a market for those Chinese boards with the laptop CPUs soldered in. I really like the Idea of buying a Minisforum BD790i X3D, but the price just isn't right.

 

[Fcret]

I wish there was more of a market for those Chinese boards with the laptop CPUs soldered in. I really like the Idea of buying a Minisforum BD790i X3D, but the price just isn't right.

In what sense? You're getting a mobo + cpu for far less than the comparable desktop CPU by itself. A larger market existing for such a product wouldn't make them any cheaper (probably the opposite).

 

[Aborted Drink Combo]

In what sense? You're getting a mobo + cpu for far less than the comparable desktop CPU by itself. A larger market existing for such a product wouldn't make them any cheaper (probably the opposite).

Idk, I guess I just wish there was more competition driving the price down a little? For strictly gaming, I can get a 9800X3D + motherboard for the same price, for productivity+gaming I can get a 7950X3D + motherboard for cheaper. If the BD790i X3D was like $80 USD cheaper I would insta buy it.

 

[Slav Power]

Personally, I wish there were more mini-PC's like the MS-A2 that would be more affordable.

Two SFP+ ports and two 2.5G ports would make it for a perfect OPNsense/NAS/Proxmox/whatever box for your home network, but that 9955HX would be underutilized and it only jacks up the price a whole ton. Cut all the wireless crap, throw in a more mid-range Ryzen, hell, cut one SFP+ port and you have a very potent product that won't cost an arm and a leg. You could even cut the integrated SFP+ altogether, but drop in that mini-PCIe bracket to add those SFP+ slots yourself for 10G connectivity.

That's the single biggest issue with Minisforum, they always go for the most high end expensive AMD chips and it kills all the value their devices would otherwise have.

 

[Fcret]

Idk, I guess I just wish there was more competition driving the price down a little? For strictly gaming, I can get a 9800X3D + motherboard for the same price, for productivity+gaming I can get a 7950X3D + motherboard for cheaper. If the BD790i X3D was like $80 USD cheaper I would insta buy it.

I'm seeing the 7950X3D for $650 on Newegg whereas you can get the BD790i X3D on amazon for $560. I wonder if this is just a regional pricing thing though.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

Idk, I guess I just wish there was more competition driving the price down a little? For strictly gaming, I can get a 9800X3D + motherboard for the same price, for productivity+gaming I can get a 7950X3D + motherboard for cheaper. If the BD790i X3D was like $80 USD cheaper I would insta buy it.

That's the single biggest issue with Minisforum, they always go for the most high end expensive AMD chips and it kills all the value their devices would otherwise have.

The BD790i X3D is notably higher priced than those 16-core MODT boards without X3D.

Example, B790i SE debuted at $359, the X3D one at $599. Pretty much the same 16-core Zen 4, but $240 more to get 3D V-Cache on one chiplet.

If X3D is a "must have", consider that AMD only launched a Dragon Range 16-core with 3D V-Cache, and with Fire Range it's the same, but there aren't any 6/8-cores at all so far. So I think high X3D demand and AMD neglect of these is partly to blame, rather than just Minisforum. We need to see V-Cache in more products, including mainstream APUs, which is plausible if Medusa Point moves to chiplets as leaked. We could also use some competition from Intel, i.e. the rumored "bLLC" for Nova Lake.

 

[Aborted Drink Combo]

I'm seeing the 7950X3D for $650 on Newegg whereas you can get the BD790i X3D on amazon for $560. I wonder if this is just a regional pricing thing though.

The BD790i X3D Is just under $800 leaf bux. The 7950X3D Can be had for $550 Maple Bux. 9800X3d Is $650 Leaf Bux.

 

[marvlouslie]

I think I'm just going to get a 9060 and throw it into my machine. I've been looking at benchmarks regarding the PCIE 3.0 and 4.0 debate, and fuck if I can't tell the difference. Especially with some of the more older titles I play. I'm still playing games from the Xbox One and PS4 generation.

 

[The Ugly One]

I've been looking at benchmarks regarding the PCIE 3.0 and 4.0 debate, and fuck if I can't tell the difference.

If a game isn't frequently fetching data from main RAM into VRAM, it doesn't make a lick of difference.

I'm still playing games from the Xbox One and PS4 generation.

That's basically every game that came out before mid-2024.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

For my 8088th post, I present…

A Intel 8088!