Diseased Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[Atlas Sneezed]

Just to elaborate on above, you could do hardware mixing even on AWE32 cards, basically any card that had a proper DSP and wasn't just a dumb DAC that did AC97. Before Pukeaudio, there were ESD for Gnome and Ksound for KDE respectively. ALSA had dmix but it was proper pain to set it up right and it liked to break anyway. Not defending Pukeaudio in the slightest, but before PA it was even worse. Pipe wire seems to finally be the shot that was needed all along

 

[AnOminous]

These people are dedicated. Are you? Even here, on the Kiwi Farms, there were people defending that child rapist just a few pages ago.

It's embarrassing but most of them changed their tune once they read the actual dox.

 

[somercet]

In short, he was 12-15 when he was doing the abuse, but, the abuse was so bad, and because his parents not only knew about it but didn't punish him for it, his sisters reported him to authorities when he was 26 because they heard he and his wife were considering having children.

Even if you believe that parents form their children 98%, this guy's thinking was:

The State: You have a fucked up idea of aggression, so we're putting you on the sex pred list.
The dude: Obviously I should dox this guy, because questioning how WWII started makes you a Nazi, and vigilantism is k001!

He's missing bits. Important bits.

Also, his parents did punish him. They punished both of the kids. I'm guessing he never apologized to his sisters.

 

[French Dip]

Does anyone have a link to the testimony of Bicha's sisters that Null read on MATI?

Also, what's the most public file on the Ubuntu github? Like, the file that more people pay attention to pull requests for than anything else? I assume it would be one of the Readme files. I have a theory I want to test.

 

[Max Weber]

Does anyone have a link to the testimony of Bicha's sisters that Null read on MATI?

Don't watch MATI, but I assume it was from here:

If anyone wanted to read the original complaint filed against Jeremy Bicha, and the transcripts of direct examination of the victims plus his family and Jeremy himself, I attached them. You can find these on the Manatee County website just searching his name.
His sisters says some pretty brutal stuff

View attachment 7629151
View attachment 7629159

 

[teriyakiburns]

Back in the day, if you wanted software sound mixing on Linux via ALSA you needed a specific supported chipset. Often times you'd have to buy specific hardware audio card, like a Creative Audigy 2, just to play multiple sound sources simultaneously using it's built in hardware sound mixing. PulseAudio fixed this by adding an abstraction layer.

Maybe in the 90s, when it was brand new, but ALSA had full software mixing by around 2002 or 2003. PulseAudio exists purely to feed Poettering's ego (and because he didn't understand how to configure dmix); it's essentially a complicated wrapper around a single ALSA sink.

 

[Max Weber]

Meanwhile, Debian developers are faced with a challenging moral dilemma: whether they need to drop... edgy jokes from the next release?
Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages? (39 messages)
Split: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out (10 messages)
Split: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages? (9 messages)
Split: fortunes-*-off: my proposed way forward (2 messages)

Let me start by saying that fortunes-it-off has existed since 2003 and
there have been 0 complaints from offended people in these 22 years.

It's not pulled as a dependency by anything and even if installed, the
fortune package won't display that content unless the "-o" switch is
passed.

I think it's fair to assume that nobody has ever seen offensive
content from that package by mistake.

<...>

In 2023 I became maintainer of the package, set up a new upstream
project (since the original website was gone) and I have spent a lot
of hours making it more current.

I did that by removing tens of sexist, homophobic and racist jokes
that were not in the offensive section, and had been there at least
since 2004.

The ones that were just offensive but not funny I removed, those that
had some humoristic value I kept in the offensive section. I did
remove plenty of stuff from the offensive section.

Now, in 2025, after 2 years of me working on this package, and while
in freeze, the community team wants to remove the offensive section of
the fortunes.

When I asked for help to review actually offensive content, both in
the regular and in the offensive section, I got no reply other than a
vaguely threatening email from the release team.

I do not appreciate wasting my time, I do not appreciate having to
write this email and I do not appreciate the collective time wasted on
this.

 

[Don Yagon]

Meanwhile, Debian developers are faced with a challenging moral dilemma: whether they need to drop... edgy jokes from the next release?

I remember when they removed the sodomized cow template from cowsay.

 _______________________________________
< The template itself looked like this. >
 ---------------------------------------
      \                _
       \              (_)
        \   ^__^       / \
         \  (oo)\_____/_\ \
            (__)\       ) /
                ||----w ((
                ||     ||>>

Clearly this has helped a lot to curb the criminal sexual deviancy in Debian community since.

 

[skunt]

Clearly this has helped a lot to curb the criminal sexual deviancy in Debian community since.

i bet debian are sweating this more than jeremy bicha.
do they keep the cow sodomy to not risk angering the furries or remove it to appease the karen, dilemma

Meanwhile, Debian developers are faced with a challenging moral dilemma: whether they need to drop... edgy jokes from the next release?

Some of the replies to this are amazing.

If it is the case, the removal requests get my full support. Sexism,
racism and such are not, never were, and can not be funny. Not even in a
package explicitly labelled as such.

I have no problem with offensive humour, but oppressive "jokes" are
something else that should not be tolerated in the *universal* operating
system. (making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive, and it's
OK, while making fun of people already suffering from discrimination is
oppressive, and that's not OK)

 

[i440BX]

I remember when they removed the sodomized cow template from cowsay.

 _______________________________________
< The template itself looked like this. >
 ---------------------------------------
      \                _
       \              (_)
        \   ^__^       / \
         \  (oo)\_____/_\ \
            (__)\       ) /
                ||----w ((
                ||     ||>>

Clearly this has helped a lot to curb the criminal sexual deviancy in Debian community since.

While I am repulsed by any animal related deviancy, I think this was done in jest or maybe as a shitty joke. I don't think back then the creator of this was a zoophile/furry/degenerate. I suspect this template existed in early 2000s.

The whole western deviancy and decadence grew around 2010s.

 

[HalHalliday]

Meanwhile, Debian developers are faced with a challenging moral dilemma: whether they need to drop... edgy jokes from the next release?
Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages? (39 messages)
Split: Personal note on recent discussions (Was: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out (10 messages)
Split: Bug#1109165: Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages? (9 messages)
Split: fortunes-*-off: my proposed way forward (2 messages)

Whenever I have the displeasure of reading open source people's communications, they come off as repugnant pricks in both manner and content. Who would want to subject themselves to that and contribute? Even the corpo speak seems preferable for its mildly amusing character, if taken in good stride. As bad as corporate HR rot is, clearly, open source "HR" is far worse.

 

[Coolio55]

I remember when they removed the sodomized cow template from cowsay.

 _______________________________________
< The template itself looked like this. >
 ---------------------------------------
      \                _
       \              (_)
        \   ^__^       / \
         \  (oo)\_____/_\ \
            (__)\       ) /
                ||----w ((
                ||     ||>>

Clearly this has helped a lot to curb the criminal sexual deviancy in Debian community since.

Sad to confirm that Ponysay does not have this functionality.

While I am repulsed by any animal related deviancy, I think this was done in jest or maybe as a shitty joke. I don't think back then the creator of this was a zoophile/furry/degenerate. I suspect this template existed in early 2000s.

The whole western deviancy and decadence grew around 2010s.

It was probably a joke but there were plenty of fucking programming crazies back in the day, make no mistake.

 

[mongrelmuch]

Back in the day, if you wanted software sound mixing on Linux via ALSA you needed a specific supported chipset.

I'd just like to interject, you're correct on hw required for hw mixing, but for software mixing dmix built into alsa worked well enough. And I liked pulseaudio better before it became forced into per-user config, used to run it systemwide so I could just stream to it from my laptop without having to log in. Amarok my beloved, you used to be so great.

 

[WhiteNight]

The conversation on removing "offensive" fortunes from Debian goes back to a 2022 discussion. Start here:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2023/08/msg00039.html

It was contentious then.

There was a less drama-filled progression in Nix.
A PR to remove not only the fortunes marked offensive, but all fortunes in the "men-women" category in 2022:

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/171153

However, a week later an option was added to allow for them (it will then build from source):

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/172011

For Fedora, this policy goes back much further:

https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fortune-mod/c/10e8a722398b010ec2c9c2b455fdb826229c70cf?branch=main

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I'd just like to interject, you're correct on hw required for hw mixing, but for software mixing dmix built into alsa worked well enough. And I liked pulseaudio better before it became forced into per-user config, used to run it systemwide so I could just stream to it from my laptop without having to log in. Amarok my beloved, you used to be so great.

I've found Strawberry to be a decent replacement for classic Amarok.

 

[Ferryman]

Meanwhile, Debian developers are faced with a challenging moral dilemma: whether they need to drop... edgy jokes from the next release?

sic.

Fucking embarrassing. This is 100% safety tranny behavior. Everything has to be clean, and soft, and corporate approved. I wish I was born ~10 years earlier so I could have gotten a better taste of the pre-enshittification Internet. Such is the unfortunate consequence of being a zoomer. On a brighter note, things on the other side of the UNIX coin seem to be getting better and better, with GhostBSD officially announcing active support for XLibre.
Original discussion / proposal:

https://github.com/b-aaz/xlibre-ports/issues/9

Development repo:

https://github.com/ghostbsd/ghostbsd-ports/tree/main-xlibre

Note: this is technically a port of FreeBSD's indev XLibre port, but since GhostBSD is essentially just FreeBSD with some preinstalled packages that make it more suitable for use as a desktop environment, the added collaboration will certainly be beneficial. BSDChads can't stop winning these days, love to see it.

 

[mongrelmuch]

I've found Strawberry to be a decent replacement for classic Amarok.

That looks pretty good, thanks! It even has the moodbar looking at the screenshots. These days I mostly use mpd and either ncmpc or Cantata. The latter kind of mimics old amarok.

EDIT: The memories are coming back. It was not just the UI, you could have amarok add a tag to your music to uniquely identify it, then if you transcoded it it still knew it was the same song. I used to mirror my desktop flac collection to ogg vorbis on the laptop, then connect to the same database server so it recorded plays correctly whether I was listening on laptop or desktop.

Music player daemon is probably a better architectural choice anyway, but it was wild what you could make work.

 

[HalHalliday]

Fucking embarrassing. This is 100% safety tranny behavior.

GhostBSD officially announcing active support for XLibre.

Click on an open source project and you will find a troon. At least this one doesn't seem to mix his derangement with contributions.

 

[daffodils]

This is 100% safety tranny behavior.

This is the original complainant.

Then this gentleman who runs a Debian mirror voiced his support, fearing legal problems for distributing obscene ASCII.


The original cow files are still available. 26 years old.

https://github.com/tnalpgge/rank-amateur-cowsay/tree/master/cows

 

[GNU Abyss]

Can the community team remove packages or kick me out for not removing packages? (39 messages)

Antoine Le Gonidec (Debian Developer, French, faggot) weighs in:

> I have a very hard time understanding how in two adjacent paragraphs you
> can say both "Sexism, racism and such are not, never were, and can not
> be funny." and also "making fun of cis-het white males can be offensive,
> and it's OK." You sound like a hypocrite.

[--snip--]

There is no such thing, in our current society, as anti-white racism or
anti-male sexism. Because these -ism are about enforcing an oppression,
and there is, by definition, no oppression happening against the
dominant group.

Didier Raboud (Debian Developer, French, owner of fag moustache) unknowingly outlines the problem:

> Also I couldn't help but notice that the DD who opened the issue maintains 0
> packages. Just something I noticed.

Non-uploading DDs are DDs. And can be delegated. Please let's not make this
argument ad-hominem.

You make people who maintain 0 packages and therefore have no investment in your project beyond acting as surrogate HR cunts into DDs who can make important decisions. Actions, meet consequences. I have no idea why FOSS people, presented with the choice of not imitating worst corpo practices, always turn around and run towards the worst options possible.