Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

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I can't wait until the movie becomes available to pirate. If Chris Null-an has any good judgement whatsoever (clearly his judgement is not great, because he cast Ellen in his movie in the first place), he's going to make her play a side character who doesn't stand out too much. But it would be much funnier if it turned out that she's playing a male character who's meant to be tough and manly and strong. It would probably turn out exactly like her performance in the climax of Umbrella Academy S4.
 
Glad to see we are back to guessing/betting on what role Ellen will have in DEI Odyssey. Now, I know I am originally postulated she could be playing Tiresias given the whole gender change thing; however, I am far less certain of this now for a few reasons, and the biggest one is given the nature of Tiresias himself.

I still believe she will be a throw away or one scene character, no one is touching a pooner and letting her run the show, especially after the whole Umbrella Academy failure it seems. I know it's popular for mid (in Ellen's case, terrible) actors and actresses to be billed in the list to attract more attention, most huge name super stars with an impressive amount of low ego will sometimes just not be billed at all and just show up in the credits because it's just a small role and they're doing it for a quick buck or for fun, but Ellen's gotta have that attention so she's being billed. Again, I do think it will be a minor role at best, but I'm willing to be surprised.

Ellen is looking rough these days, I don't think there is any arguing that, at least in honest New Zealand bird agricultural websites. With all the movie magic in the world, making Ellen seem appealing as either sex now is a Herculean (pun intended) task. Lighting, makeup, but not too much makeup lest one trigger the former woman about muh heccin' gender stereotypes and beauty standards, editing, and CGI can do the heavy lifting, but again, that's a lot of money into making one person, and a minor person at that, look good.

Finally, there is the issue of Tiresias. Now, we all know the story that Tiresias was transformed into a woman for 7 years, however, the problem therein lies that he changes back. This proves a massive problem for the director and writers, if Ellen is originally a man, turns into a woman, and now is returned to her original sex, that's gonna lead to some head scratching. Was he always a man and we didn't know it? Is Ellen actually a stunning and brave... not trans person? However, the other way is far more dangerous to portray, as if Ellen is indeed a woman (which she is) and is transformed into a MALE, and as a punishment at that, she will have to be transformed again to go back to her original sex and follow the story of Tiresias. Mind you, this isn't a Tiresias film, and even if she shows up in only one scene in this film as Tiresias, you can bet your ass the troons and poons will be screeching online about how transphobic this character choice is. If Ellen was transformed as a punishment, God help you when the troon hordes are at your door; if Ellen purposely transformed into a man but then the story of Tiresias she transforms back into a woman, that is very problematic to say the least amongst the woke crowd, desisters are almost as reviled as TERFs, and I doubt Ellen would allow this if she actually has two brain cells left.

So, I see this going one (or maybe a mix) of three ways:

1. Ellen is an extremely minor male character or even background character.
2. Ellen plays a genderbent god or goddess, which leads to its own problems of Ellen playing a god or goddess that is genderbent solely to appease her, ruins continuity, and somehow the woke crowd can twist it into an act of bigotry and transphobia. Hell, if you genderbend just for her, they're gonna point that out and you'll have to bend other cast roles to make this work which is a massive headache.
3. Achilles. Hear me out.

So, most of us are all aware of Achilles, he was a massive player in The Iliad who eventually killed Hector, and the story actually features his wrath as a massive theme, heck, here are some of the opening stanzas of the epic:

Sing, Goddess, Achilles' rage,
Black and murderous, that cost the Greeks
Incalculable pain, pitched countless souls
Of heroes into Hades' dark,
And left their bodies to rot as feasts
For dogs and birds, as Zeus' will was done.
Begin with the clash between Agamemnon--
The Greek warlord--and godlike Achilles.


"But Desexing Stick, Achilles is a muscular godlike hero with an anger problem!" Precisely, they are equating an epic hero with our favorite little pooner, pissing off the Chuds and uplifting our brave transman, and trannies as a whole, it's perfect. There are also a few, albeit loose, parallels with Achilles and Ellen if you look hard enough. For one, Achilles is educated by Chiron, a centaur that his father entrusts him to, this may seem minor, but that's because in multiple accounts Achilles name is not originally Achilles, it is Ligyron, and Chiron renames him Achilles. Yes, Achilles has a dead name, just like our little hero pooner. Also, in some later accounts, his dad hid and disguised him as a girl to keep safe from the ongoing war, so Achilles not only has a dead name but lived as a girl and ostensibly had a female name at one point. As you can see, the parallels are piling up. Getting into The Illiad, the epic poem only covers a few weeks of the decade long war, much of which focuses on several central characters, Achilles arguably being one of the biggest. After getting shafted by Agamemnon about something, Achilles pitches a fit and refuses to fight despite being essentially nearly invincible because he's a little bitch like that. Then, Hector makes the mistake of killing Patroclus (whether or not you think Achilles and Patroclus were merely friends or full-blown lovers is another issue, we all know what Hollywood thinks, thanks Madeline Miller) which invokes Achilles wrath, and he decides to finally fight again if only to kill Hector. Of course he does, and Hector goes after him despite knowing he's gonna lose, and even after he begs for Achilles to not descrate his body, Achilles says tough shit and does so anyways and the poem ends with Hector's funeral and predicts Achilles impending death. What a perfect gay homo tragic romance for our little dood. Probably be some throwaway line about how Achilles only killed Hector to avenge his fallen lover. Achilles of course, has his single weakness, which is his heel/tendon that his mom didn't dip him in fully into the river, and is the only way of killing him. Which he does end up dying by, according to most sources completely by accident after Paris shoots him with some arrows, which is pretty funny given that Homer continually characterizes Paris as a massive coward. Anywho, Odysseus finds Achilles in the underworld, so we are made aware he did indeed die at some point.

As you can see, this is a delicious opportunity for Hollywood to not only score some good boy points with the LGBTQ+ crowd but also own those conservative CHUDS who think men are men and women are women! They need to be put in their place by our little pooner who is an absolute sexy, modern-day Greek epic hero! However, this probably won't occur as Hollywood is fucking braindead these days even when they have amazing shit handed to them on a silver platter and they fuck it up and make it another MCU "masterpiece" or something equally terrible. I could be terribly wrong and will inevitably disappointed, no matter what happens, but I would like to point out one final funny about Ellen and Achilles.

Now, depending on your Greek, and I suck ass at Greek, Achilles name comes from the word "achos" (sorry, I am terrible with adding tildes and other accents), which translates to "sorrow, grief, pain, distress." This is coupled with the word "laos" which translates to "people, nation" or even "soldiers." Obviously, our little poon struggles greatly with pain and distress, given her multiple surgeries and blatant mental illness, and coupled with that word "laos" it paints a picture of Achilles/Ellen bringing grief and pain to those around her. This is actually touched on Homer multiple times in The Illiad, which is supposed to be an interesting irony where Achilles is the hero, but he brings great pain and distress, often to his own people. Make of that what you will.

Anyways, I look forward to our little poon showing up in her first movie as a manly dood in a Greek epic, even though her own story is a Greek tragicomedy that even the Greeks themselves couldn't conceive of. Anyways, to end my Greek mythology sperging, I will quote Julius Caesar and say "Alea iacta est." "The die has been cast." We are definitely past the point of no return, the die has been cast, and I look forward to seeing how things play out.

Sorry for the edit, spacing was bugging me.
 
As you can see, this is a delicious opportunity for Hollywood to not only score some good boy points with the LGBTQ+ crowd
Nolan probably would have done it a few years ago to but not anymore. The power and influence of the alphabet mafia has decreased drastically. Pandering to them brings no advantages anymore. Look what happened to Anheuser-Bush. Hollywood is also a sinking ship and movies need to make money.

also own those conservative CHUDS who think men are men and women are women!
Again, look at Anheuser-Bush. People can simply chose to not watch the movie or pirate it.

Ellen will most likely get a short scene that can easily be removed for releases in other countries.
 
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I can't wait until the movie becomes available to pirate. If Chris Null-an has any good judgement whatsoever (clearly his judgement is not great, because he cast Ellen in his movie in the first place), he's going to make her play a side character who doesn't stand out too much. But it would be much funnier if it turned out that she's playing a male character who's meant to be tough and manly and strong. It would probably turn out exactly like her performance in the climax of Umbrella Academy S4.
It's hilarious they had to use a low angle camera shot to make her not look like a 5'2 goblin and add a noisy fire VFX/SFX to cover her ghoulish complexion and pathetic voice. I ALMOST feel bad for her.
 
I can't wait until the movie becomes available to pirate. If Chris Null-an has any good judgement whatsoever (clearly his judgement is not great, because he cast Ellen in his movie in the first place), he's going to make her play a side character who doesn't stand out too much. But it would be much funnier if it turned out that she's playing a male character who's meant to be tough and manly and strong. It would probably turn out exactly like her performance in the climax of Umbrella Academy S4.
She sounds hoarse, and nothing like a man.

Good jorb, Mr. Nolan.
 
Also, in some later accounts, his dad hid and disguised him as a girl to keep safe from the ongoing war, so Achilles not only has a dead name but lived as a girl and ostensibly had a female name at one point.
This would have been funnier if it was an MtF tranny because depending on the version of that story Achilles used that disguise to rape the local princess.
After getting shafted by Agamemnon about something,
That something was Agamemnon taking his concubine/girlfriend (Briseis) away btw which most people conviniently ignore.
 
A primary school in London held up Ellen as a positive example of masculinity in teaching material for its pupils.
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The only thing Ellen is an example of is how you can mutilate yourself and be one act of misgendering away from killing yourself while getting the media to pretend that you've never been happier.
Primary school uses trans actor as positive example of masculinity
Elliott Page shows that masculinity ‘can mean softness and strength, and everything in between’

A primary school has held up a trans man as a positive example of masculinity in teaching materials for its pupils.

Streatham Wells School, in south-west London, said Elliott Page, the Canadian actor who medically transitioned with cross-sex hormones along with gender surgery and now identifies as a man, showed that masculinity “can mean softness and strength”.

The school used the example of Page, along with the singer Harry Styles, to show children how men can be multi-dimensional Page, who starred in Juno, Inception and X-Men, publicly came out as gay in 2014 and as transgender in 2020, using the pronouns he/they.

In an article for the online newsletter Teachwire, Sarah Wordlaw, the head teacher, wrote about her school’s efforts to tackle issues such as toxic masculinity and violence against women.

‘We need to encourage empathy’​

She wrote: “It is important to teach pupils about harmful stereotypes about masculinity. However, if the first time we teach and name masculinity is calling it toxic, that could do more damage than good to our boys.

“It is extremely important to teach about positive masculinities. We need to encourage empathy, kindness, showing emotions, listening to alternative points of view and developing emotional literacy.

“Undoing the deeply ingrained gender stereotypes in our society takes time. It’s certainly not a quick fix. We have seen a significant improvement in children’s awareness of key issues surrounding gender equality. They know how to use their voice to advocate for others.

‘To be a man is not to be simply one thing’​

Ms Wordlaw added: “Moving forward, we are going to continue to work on representation in our curriculum. This is not just representation of the amazing, strong women who have shaped global history, but also representation of positive masculinity.

“We need to show that to be a man is not to be simply one thing. To do so, we highlight well-known figures such as Harry Styles and Elliot Page. They show that masculinity can mean softness and strength, and everything in between.”

However, some educational professionals have suggested that holding up a trans man as a positive example of masculinity might undermine the intended message that biological men can be gentle and caring.

Streatham Wells Primary and the Charter Schools Educational Trust, which runs the school, were approached for comment.
 
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