DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[GlupShitto]

Why? It is the least political depiction of Nazis ever put to film.
View attachment 7663063

That's the thing, they make the Nazis comically evil and then they're punished by God himself. It's possibly the most propagandized depiction of Nazis in Hollywood history and is a big part of why Gen X and Millennials largely reject the ideology altogether.

 

[Calandrino]

Yeah, I checked a clip. She's lounging around on a chaise longue with no wings in sight. So either they magically appear or disappear as needed or more likely, it's a costume she wears. But the look in flight is organic with real feathers.

Hawkman in the JL cartoon was a guy with clip-on wings. They were made of space technology feathers that looked real or something. I think it's better that way. Organic wings raise a lot of questions about how characters manage to wear shirts or travel on public transportation.

 

[Solomon Bundy]

It's called "Nth Metal." They look like feathers (and it's in the harness and weapons). It's psychokinetic, and in addition to flight is supposed to enhance strength, sight, and healing. Even in the comics that part's often forgotten. I assumed Hawkgirl would just have normal feathers (or retractable wings like Legends of Tomorrow) because I had little faith in this film even before leaks.

Still gonna see it via open seas. It sounds interesting, at least.

 

[Rimanah]

All these Hollywood blockbusters have such ridiculously bloated budgets. What the fuck are they even spending that much money on? The japs somehow made Godzilla Minus One for less than $15 million and it looks much better than anything Hollywood shits out.

First, as @Solomon Bundy alluded to, welcome to the world of Hollywood accounting:

Hollywood accounting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Look at the examples and you'll see the insanity they get up to. Fucking RotJ never turned a profit; Stan Lee got nothing from his contractual royalties from Rami's Spider Man despite it making 825 million against a 130 million dollar budget.
It's Advanced Jewery, so you can never really trust it. In a superposition of profitability/flopping, which collapses depending on if you're talking to shareholders or someone who you owe money to.

The other issue is that Hollywood, especially the big studios, just don't like to make mid-budget movies anymore (and the small studios don't have the money to). Stuff in the ~5-70 (maybe 100) million dollar range just doesn't get made that much anymore. Studio execs and board of directors have become convinced that big budget stuff is the only way to make money for some reason.

 

[Captain Syrup]

assumed Hawkgirl would just have normal feathers (or retractable wings like Legends of Tomorrow) because I had little faith in this film even before leaks.

I could give less of a shit about Guy or Mr. Terrific, but (and maybe this is just me being naive) I still think it's impossible to make Hawkgirl boring. I need more Hawkgirl.

 

[Calandrino]

It's called "Nth Metal." They look like feathers (and it's in the harness and weapons). It's psychokinetic, and in addition to flight is supposed to enhance strength, sight, and healing. Even in the comics that part's often forgotten. I assumed Hawkgirl would just have normal feathers (or retractable wings like Legends of Tomorrow) because I had little faith in this film even before leaks.

Still gonna see it via open seas. It sounds interesting, at least.

Also, iirc Lex Luthor says that Superman is the only metahuman who is an alien, which means Hawgirl isn't a Thanagarian in this, maybe.

In the cartoon, Hawkgirl and the other Thanagarians were all voiced by people with hispanic-ish accents. I would bet that influenced the casting.

But somehow, Snyder guys just mentally redact those moments. The discourse is entirely centered on Snyder himself: he’s out there in the trenches, bravely fighting the Disney shills and woke mind virus.

Yeah, well, look at Superman '25. "At least it's not Snyder" will be its epitaph. Imagine if those movies never existed and we were stuck arguing about whether it's worse than Superman Returns. Superman 3 already had an Evil Superman fight, and they straight up lifted Lex cloning Superman with a strand of his hair from Superman 4. Nuclear Man was way cooler than Ultraman btw, and had a way better fight with Superman.

Honestly, every other "DCEU" movie was essentially a middling MCU movie, so I don't see that a whole lot changed with this supposed reboot. The continuity was always rough and it never felt like a shared universe. I mean, if they just put Blue Beetle back in theaters as "James Gunn presents: Blue Beetle" and tried to pass it off as a new DCU movie, who would notice that anything was up?

 

[Rimanah]

Also, iirc Lex Luthor says that Superman is the only metahuman who is an alien, which means Hawgirl isn't a Thanagarian in this, maybe.

In the cartoon, Hawkgirl and the other Thanagarians were all voiced by people with hispanic-ish accents. I would bet that influenced the casting.

The Kendra Saunders' Hawkgirl has always been human, hasn't she? I thought Shayera and Katar Hol were the only Hawkgirl and Hawkman who are Thanagarians.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

I enjoyed it, I thought a lot of the shots though were extremely weird. Hawkgirl ones were some of the most egregious for this.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I enjoyed it, I thought a lot of the shots though were extremely weird. Hawkgirl ones were some of the most egregious for this.

She kept going SANIC and I completely lost track of her, but that’s just how fights look now. I don’t even get mad anymore, I just go limp like a Victorian child with rickets.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

She kept going SANIC and I completely lost track of her, but that’s just how fights look now. I don’t even get mad anymore, I just go limp like a Victorian child with rickets.

This is very scary and dramatic!

 

[Captain Syrup]

View attachment 7665338
This is very scary and dramatic!

When you just had Chipotle and your boyfriend goes in raw without warning

 

[GlupShitto]

It's called "Nth Metal." They look like feathers (and it's in the harness and weapons). It's psychokinetic, and in addition to flight is supposed to enhance strength, sight, and healing. Even in the comics that part's often forgotten. I assumed Hawkgirl would just have normal feathers (or retractable wings like Legends of Tomorrow) because I had little faith in this film even before leaks.

Still gonna see it via open seas. It sounds interesting, at least.

Yeah but that's stupid as shit because it's a Dark Multiverse thing.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

You can’t convinced Boravia isn’t a Israel stand in. The Hammer of Boravia who kicked Superman has references golems.

 

[Solomon Bundy]

Yeah but that's stupid as shit because it's a Dark Multiverse thing.

That's a Silver Age thing. The Dark Multiverse thing you're thinking of is the metal that links all the metallic artifacts plus metahumans together during the climax of DC Metal. Both things are... acquired tastes.

The Kendra Saunders' Hawkgirl has always been human, hasn't she? I thought Shayera and Katar Hol were the only Hawkgirl and Hawkman who are Thanagarians.

It gets confusing. They merged.

 

[Solomon Bundy]

Edit: Mods please delete the double post.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

After watching Superman, the DCU is in good hands with Gunn

 

[Overly Serious]

Hawkman in the JL cartoon was a guy with clip-on wings.

Yes, but Hawkman was a LARPing human who believed he was the reincarnation of an ancient Thanagarian and dresses up as one. There's a scene in JL in which Shiara who thinks she's found a nice normal man is confronted with him suddenly strapping on fake wings and a home-made helmet. It'd be the equivalent of a White Western man romancing a beautiful Black woman and then on the fifth date slathering boot polish on your face and telling her "My real name is Ayomide Abayomi" in a dodgy Nigerian accent. He's lucky she only had hysterics.

I think it's better that way. Organic wings raise a lot of questions about how characters manage to wear shirts or travel on public transportation.

They're usually depicted as wearing breast plates held on with straps.


and Shiara goes for backless dresses:


Hawkgirl having wings that come or go is weird. Didn't think about it until afterwards.

Also, iirc Lex Luthor says that Superman is the only metahuman who is an alien, which means Hawgirl isn't a Thanagarian in this, maybe.

That's a good point. But that is also a little weird. They have a Green Lantern of all people. This one is human but the presence of the lantern corp inherently brings in a lot of extra-terrestrial interaction. Is his version of Green Lantern a terrestrial one then? Or is Lex just being very legalistic when he speaks and means Superman is the only legally resident or long-term alien on Earth?

Lex keeps referring to Superman as being "Martian" or "Venusian" in off-hand remarks. Does suggest there's not much alien interaction though if everything is lumped into "Earth and non-Earth". It's a good point - so now we have a non-Thanagarian hawk girl?

I still think it's impossible to make Hawkgirl boring. I need more Hawkgirl.

Hawkgirl needs more Hawkgirl. Specifically around 11" of her. Actress is tiny and round.

Yeah, well, look at Superman '25. "At least it's not Snyder" will be its epitaph. Imagine if those movies never existed and we were stuck arguing about whether it's worse than Superman Returns

Superman Returns is probably the one Superman movie the Gunn version is better than. I think the Snyder movies will age better than people think. They're good movies, their problem is they're what not many people want (very serious, very unironic, long and did I mention very serious?). But on the other hand both the MCU films and other Gunn are very of their time - the quips, the references, the zaniness. They'll look like Herbie Goes Bananas to later generations with their heavy-handed humour and zappy-effiects. The effects in Snyder strive for realism which will age better as will seriousness and more mythic tone.

For all that Batman vs. Superman gets slated, I think this is a great sequence:

It's human, you see the destruction and fear or ordinary people, it ends with the viewer seeing Bruce's anger at this alien that brought its own conflict to his world killing people he knew and cared for. It sets up the conflict well and none of it depends on current era tastes because this sort of human drama is recurrent in all generations.

I don't expect to win an argument on that here. I expect to be proven right twenty years from now.

 

[Eventide]

I don’t understand how people can defend this.

View attachment 7663488

As an Oklahoman, the Synderverse Pa Kent death scene is so infuriating. Tornadoes do really weird shit - people get sucked up into powerful tornadoes and deposited miles away (& alive/with minor injuries!) all the fucking time. For example, the Lake Thunderbird tornado (EF-4) from about a decade ago hit a grocery store head on, annihilated it, but a few random aisles (including ones with glass pickle jars!) were fine & left standing. Same tornado proceeded to cross a road, hit a truck, deposited driver into a field uninjured, their truck meanwhile was destroyed/rolled into a twisted metal ball.

TLDR, if Clark saved his dad, no one would have blinked twice. & Pa Kent, being a lifelong resident of Kansas - smack dab in Tornado Alley, would have known this as well.

Heck, when I first saw Man of Steel, I actually thought Pa Kent committed suicide by tornado.

 

[Overly Serious]

As an Oklahoman, the Synderverse Pa Kent death scene is so infuriating. Tornadoes do really weird shit - people get sucked up into powerful tornadoes and deposited miles away (& alive/with minor injuries!) all the fucking time. For example, the Lake Thunderbird tornado (EF-4) from about a decade ago hit a grocery store head on, annihilated it, but a few random aisles (including ones with glass pickle jars!) were fine & left standing. Same tornado proceeded to cross a road, hit a truck, deposited driver into a field uninjured, their truck meanwhile was destroyed/rolled into a twisted metal ball.

TLDR, if Clark saved his dad, no one would have blinked twice. & Pa Kent, being a lifelong resident of Kansas - smack dab in Tornado Alley, would have known this as well.

Heck, when I first saw Man of Steel, I actually thought Pa Kent committed suicide by tornado.

I never knew half of that.

Honestly, could have had something far more plausible with Pa Kent having a heart attack or an automobile accident. Clark could have the chance to save him by carrying him to the nearest hospital or bending steel wreckage out of the way. You could think of plenty of things that would be complicated by witnesses. The real issue of course is that Clark shouldn't let someone die to preserve his secret but if you're going to, there are better ways to do it.

Clark is proved right later in the film also, when one of the kids he saved from the bus as a child is pretty heavily hinted to know who he is but keeps his secret.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

As an Oklahoman, the Synderverse Pa Kent death scene is so infuriating. Tornadoes do really weird shit - people get sucked up into powerful tornadoes and deposited miles away (& alive/with minor injuries!) all the fucking time. For example, the Lake Thunderbird tornado (EF-4) from about a decade ago hit a grocery store head on, annihilated it, but a few random aisles (including ones with glass pickle jars!) were fine & left standing. Same tornado proceeded to cross a road, hit a truck, deposited driver into a field uninjured, their truck meanwhile was destroyed/rolled into a twisted metal ball.

TLDR, if Clark saved his dad, no one would have blinked twice. & Pa Kent, being a lifelong resident of Kansas - smack dab in Tornado Alley, would have known this as well.

Heck, when I first saw Man of Steel, I actually thought Pa Kent committed suicide by tornado.

That, and all Clark had to do to save the dog was run really fast. People believe he's good at track and field, right? So, yeah, you're probably right about Pa Kent committing suicide for no reason.