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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[emptypacketofmethadone]

Yes they are responsible for sticking around, almost kind of more so. Stats wise, the most dangerous point for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave, it's when he'll most likely escalate to actual violence. It's why things like 'Refuge' should be more funded, and have more locations and probably drivers and pingable cars, so you can sidestep the "YOU'RE LEAVING ME YOU EVIL BITCH!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!!" Stage. For men it's when they stay for extended periods. It's when the risk of suicide for them is much higher - women tend not to murder their boyfriends - and once they get out, the risk of topping yourself or suffering harm for a man drops considerably; without the "Oh fuck Daves got the kitchen knives!" stage appearing. It's a lot easier for men to just leave.


I think we should have a lot of sympathy for them, it's a shitty awful situation to be in. But pretending like it was somehow this unforseen Black Swan Event every single time is retarded. Our society could do a lot more for victims of abuse; and it doesn't. The police - despite the narrative of 'Oh they just believe women with no evidence' - are criminally bad at dealing with domestic violence. They will largely just not give a fuck, and in the case of male officers; have a very bad habit of having sex with the abused women once they do get involved.

A woman can have a ton of indisputable evidence of a bloke abusing her and the UK police won't prosecute even if the victims wish is to prosecute.

(Source: my cousin had messages on her phone of her ex blackmailing her for sex and threatening to break her belongings and stab her if she didn't comply. Police did not prosecute even though the suspect had a prior conviction of woman abuse)

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Fine, then men are also responsible for being abused by women....right?

Absolutely. It takes a total fucking coward of a man to stay with a piece of shit woman simply because it's better than being alone. I'm sure every fucking man in this thread knows someone like that or WAS that person. It hits a point where you're so aware that the guy is going through hell that you wonder if it's some sort of fetish thing to be bullied every single fucking moment of his life. Financial abuse, domestic abuse, you can't see your friends, how fucking dare you talk to that girl in the supermarket?

So you give them support, you say "do you want to talk about it?", try and include them in activities away from the partner in order to see if they feel safe enough to be themselves.

Eventually there comes a point where the abused person cuts us off for driving a wedge between their relationship or we cut them off because it's like talking to a brick wall.

It's possible to be both a victim AND a retard.

 

[Otterly]

This is why I have zero sympathy for women who get into these circumstances

We can have plenty of sympathy while still pushing the point that
1. You have to leave
2. We will keep you safe if you leave
As people have pointed out, when they lose control of you is the point they will break and get very nasty. It’s important that women’s refuges exist, that they are women only (no male trannies) and that women are supported to leave. Part of that is all of us - if you have a female friend or family being isolated (I know this is not a close person, so I’m not saying you and her personally) do NOT let it happen. Be a pain. Go round and visit. Make it clear you’ll help. Make them memorise your phone number and get them to pack a bag and hold the kids passports.
Actively seeking out the big boy thug gangsters? No sympathy at all. But we have someone we know (again not terribly well) who is being financially and coercively by her asshole husband and we keep going round and making sure she knows that when she gets the courage, one call will have half a dozen people there to get her out. It’s her Choice and we can’t make her

 

[Chunky Salsa]

A woman can have a ton of indisputable evidence of a bloke abusing her and the UK police won't prosecute even if the victims wish is to prosecute.

(Source: my cousin had messages on her phone of her ex blackmailing her for sex and threatening to break her belongings and stab her if she didn't comply. Police did not prosecute even though the suspect had a prior conviction of woman abuse).

I edited my post to include a rant about that. The police are scum. The whole system as its set up does effectively work against the victim.

 

[DreinMeinVein]

All I said was that women are not responsible for their abuse at the hands of violent men.

And all everyone else was saying is that it's a sad fact that too many women are a poor judge of character. As are too many men, although it's more dangerous for women. Having a partner try to throttle you during sex is a good example of a red flag.

Yes, we've been drawn into a #notallmen derail. You said the "can't we simply stop men being the baddies" thing.
Sometimes it feels necessary to remind us all of the facts:

If you're ever in trouble, a man is most likely to be willing and able to save you (or anyone).
A minority of men is also more willing and able to harm you (or anyone else).
This is why men shouldn't be hated. Men are okay, mostly. It's also why trannies shouldn't be allowed into the girls' bogs.

Women are not responsible for their abuse at the hands of violent men. Definitely not. Too many people walk into these situations, though. A man who wants to choke is a good example of someone to be avoided. You make many good points, but I think the fair consensus is that we should all take steps to secure our safety, sanity etc. Some people are a walking red flag and it would be self-preserving to notice.
...............
No we shouldn't be crashing bitcoin and cashing out to provide for dickhead foreigners who hate us.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

No we shouldn't be crashing bitcoin and cashing out to provide for dickhead foreigners who hate us.

Crashing this economy with no survivors might make houses cheaper though...

 

[emptypacketofmethadone]

I edited my post to include a rant about that. The police are scum. The whole system as its set up does effectively work against the victim.

Yep! Often the police will side with the male abuser because the woman 'provoked' him and even try to insist the male is a victim when he is not.

' While Sarah has to sit there and listen to everyone twist every word and every action she has said or taken into something sinister,'

Yep. If you've ever jokingly said to your boyfriend 'I'm gonna kill you if you pee on the seat again' that is suddenly evidence that you are an evil husband-beater, an abuser, a captor, a psycho, a murderess, you're basically Jodi Arias. Seriously.

 

[geeker99]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903

We should be signing and spreading this, right?

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Yep! Often the police will side with the male abuser because the woman 'provoked' him and even try to insist the male is a victim when he is not.

' While Sarah has to sit there and listen to everyone twist every word and every action she has said or taken into something sinister,'

Yep. If you've ever jokingly said to your boyfriend 'I'm gonna kill you if you pee on the seat again' that is suddenly evidence that you are an evil husband-beater. Seriously.

The only thing needed is reasonable doubt to avoid conviction. If you can get the jury to see your girlfriend as a crazy person, that's enough to avoid it. Abusive men don't think they are evil, they think that all the women in their life are nutjobs out to get them. It's what the defence will do, and why it's a 50/50 on if the prosecution would even want the woman to give testimony, or be present. Women who have been abused - hell, people that have been abused - long term are not the easiest to talk to, and often have hair trigger tempers.

So if you go "My girlfriend is a volatile, lying, verbally abusive monster out to get me." and you have 100 texts, and a bunch of voicemails from her screaming at you, it's a pretty easy win for you. One of the cases my mother dealt with, was when a woman had been abused by her husband for years; and he blatantly murdered her by strangling her with a bathrobe tie. He got away with it, because there was reasonable doubt since she was an alcoholic with a history of depression.

You know, from the abuse.

So it could have been a suicide. Very gross; she should have gotten drunk and chewed him up under the car wheels.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903

We should be signing and spreading this, right?

I'm illiterate. But also signed, not that it will do much beyond make the government read out the title of the debate and go 'No, lol'. Still, can't hurt.

 

[emptypacketofmethadone]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903

We should be signing and spreading this, right?

'The Online Safety Act, passed in 2023, is a UK law designed to enhance online safety for children and adults. It places new responsibilities on social media companies and search engines to protect users from harm, particularly illegal content and harmful material for children. The Act aims to make online platforms more accountable for the content they host and the safety of their users.'

You're against the safety of kids? Do you know how many children have committed suicide over nigerian sextorters over the years?

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Also women staying with men who knock them about comes down to some women being stupid cunts, who think they can change a person.

Both men and women in this situation, usually it’s a lack of self belief or being scouse. The impression you can’t do any better and you got what you deserve.

 

[FedPostalService]

It's the mans fault for being a violent piece of shit, and the woman is a moron for staying with him. You can in fact not want men to be violent lunatics, and think that abusing women is bad, while also acknowledging that they tend to only really go for a specific type of woman, and that type of woman should leave him. Yes, there are extenuating circumstances, for sure; no, they do not preclude you from leaving him unless you literally are locked in 24/7. It's a matter of what your dumb decision - as a fully emancipated member of society with all the rights and privileges that affords you - will cost you to do so. This is why you should be careful when picking your boyfriend/fuckbuddy/husband. If that is too onerous, please form a political party that will strip women of the right to be full adults and put them as dependents on their families instead.

Abusive men are abusive their whole lives, in all their relationships, and they are escalatory. They leave a trail of victims behind them, most of which are only with them for short periods of time before they - guess what - leave; until they land on the person they drill down on and keep abusing because she, for whatever reason, does not leave. He will then probably go on to murder her, and probably get away with it. Abusive men are documented, and easily tracked. Before getting into a relationship with someone, look them up, it's a free service. If they start being abusive, leave them. When people tell them the man they are seeing is clearly a lunatic, they should listen and leave him. Men are - and I understand this is a difficult thing for you as a woman to grasp - told from the second they enter education, to the day they die, that abusing women is wrong. The ones that do it, are evil, and will do it regardless. It's not a matter of education, or information, or context, or anything else. It's the simple reality that no one murders abusive men in their beds with clawhammers, and some women refuse to leave psychopaths until they murder them.

I like it when Chunky's mask slips and we see he's actually a decent human being.

He's made her lose weight because 'it would please him if she did'

Based. I've had a relationship or two were I could have done with this.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

Christ, and you people accused me of boring, retarded, autistic derailing.

Choking women during sex is fucking weird, whether she asks you to or not, and a red flag so big the Chinese are after stealing it for Mao's tomb. End of.

 

[emptypacketofmethadone]

@Chunky Salsa Horrific miscarriage of justice, I would not be surprised if that was in the UK. Extremely similar to what happened to my cousin. Probably had some messages of her being pushed to her limit and having a go at her and that was enough for the police to reject her case entirely. So women have to be calm all the time and walk on eggshells around men who make their lives a living Hell and make them live in fear, or they have no chance at justice? Right.

 

[Otterly]

You're against the safety of kids? Do you know how many children have committed suicide over nigerian sextorters over the years?

I don’t, but I do know that more kids killed themselves during Covid isolation than died of Covid. Perhaps the problem is Nigerian scammers, not my ability to be anonymous online?
I also know that the OSA is nothing whatsoever to do with keeping children safe. If rhe government wanted to keep children safe they would;
1. Not have allowed twenty million immigrants from third world shitholes into the country
2. Have hanged every member of the rape/grooming gangs
3. Not be covering up for an Establishment that’s riddled with nonces top to bottom
4. Not allow you to ask nicely and be removed from the sex offenders register
5. Etc etc
The OSA is about control of the internet, stifling dissent, and removing anonymity

 

[geeker99]

'The Online Safety Act, passed in 2023, is a UK law designed to enhance online safety for children and adults. It places new responsibilities on social media companies and search engines to protect users from harm, particularly illegal content and harmful material for children. The Act aims to make online platforms more accountable for the content they host and the safety of their users.'

You're against the safety of kids? Do you know how many children have committed suicide over nigerian sextorters over the years?

im against the government banning websites like this, actually

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Christ, and you people accused me of boring, retarded, autistic derailing.

No one here every said they weren't those things! One of us, one of us!

@Chunky Salsa Horrific miscarriage of justice, I would not be surprised if that was in the UK. Extremely similar to what happened to my cousin. Probably had some messages of her being pushed to her limit and having a go at her and that was enough for the police to reject her case entirely. So women have to be calm all the time and walk on eggshells around men who make their lives a living Hell and make them live in fear, or they have no chance at justice? Right.

It was the UK, yeah. In the court room and with the police, yes unfortunately. It's insane and absurd; you only ever interact with them as a victim of DV when you have a crash out; and the mere act of having a crash out is evidence of being unreliable and thus casts doubt on your accusation. I have zero faith in the police, the courts and the justice system. I think it's too big, too distant; and too biased with ideology that isn't my own. I think if your husband abuses you, you should kill him or get someone else to. I think if someone abused my sister, or my mother, or my cousins or friends, I'd want to kill them. I don't think these are unreasonable things, but sadly they are. I'm just so fucking sick of seeing the constant, unrelenting miscarriage of justice applied by smug, out of touch retards.

I just want to line people against the wall at this point. As a book on revolutions said recently: "Once you start killing people in power that fail to uphold your expectations, it becomes addicting," I get it man, I really do.

I like it when Chunky's mask slips and we see he's actually a decent human being.

Everyone loves me actually, but thanks bby <3

 

[emptypacketofmethadone]

It's insane and absurd; you only ever interact with them as a victim of DV when you have a crash out; and the mere act of having a crash out is evidence of being unreliable and thus casts doubt on your accusation.

Therein lies my issue, too, with the UK 'justice' system.

 

[marlimar]

my cousin had messages on her phone of her ex blackmailing her for sex

Did she put out?

 

[the printer is outo fink]

Absolutely. It takes a total fucking coward of a man to stay with a piece of shit woman simply because it's better than being alone.

What if they have a child together? Many people stay in horrible relationships in order to ensure their children never have to endure the other parent's behaviour alone.

And it's all very well saying don't have kids with someone abusive. Abusive behaviour is often toned right down pre-pregnancy.