UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 10:28 AM

Oh yeah, definitely a woman lmao.

Made In Wales · Sunday at 10:30 AM

Overly Serious said:
Isn't announcing that you're about to sell off 5bn in Bitcoin going to tank the price of Bitcoin? Wouldn't it be better to sell it off quietly?

I don't think it will affect the overall price, at least not too much.

Reeves has been told she HAS to do this by her higher-ups; she was first told this before last October's budget but, at the time, refused to and also scoffed in the faces of people who she had to try and persuade that she was doing a good job at her disastrous Mansion House speech last Tuesday.

I'm not going to give too much away, but I am friendly with a Financial Adviser who works for St. James Place (used to partner with Somerset Capital - Jacob Rees-Mogg's former business) and the response that Paul Manduca who was present (apparently Reeves was introduced to him before the speech and had 'no idea who he was' - only one of their top bosses!) made was 'get this clown off the stage and out of my presence immediately - she has no idea what she is talking about!'

Since 'Teargate' she's been very quiet, I think that her exit and Starmer's are being planned either during recess or just before the Conference Season.

Labour are all talk and zero action - they're bringing in a bod to stop football club's and fans from being ripped off by unscrupulous owners and yet they've done bugger all to help Morecambe FC who will apparently now be entering administration tomorrow.

BongoMongo · Sunday at 10:32 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
No.

Well, at the very least,can you learn how to use multi quote, and knock off double posting please?

Also women staying with men who knock them about comes down to some women being stupid cunts, who think they can change a person. Sucks, but true.

Yes men shouldn't be rapey and smack-y. But if I get bitten by a dog, and carry on owning that dog, knowing it bites, then I only have myself to blame when I get bitten again.

Tom Nook's Gloryhole · Sunday at 10:59 AM

EddyRooney said:
"The level of ego behind that statement. "

My favourite thing about that clip isn't even the clip itself, it's when the clip was posted on mumsnet and there's a frothing argument over how he must be a disgusting misogynistic piece of shit and women are funnier than men because they don't punch down.

The kicker? The very last post is someone asking if anyone has actually seen the clip that was posted.

emptypacketofmethadone · Sunday at 11:04 AM

BongoMongo said:
Well, at the very least,can you learn how to use multi quote, and knock off double posting please?

Also women staying with men who knock them about comes down to some women being stupid cunts, who think they can change a person. Sucks, but true.

Yes men shouldn't be rapey and smack-y. But if I get bitten by a dog, and carry on owning that dog, knowing it bites, then I only have myself to blame when I get bitten again.

Many women are threatened, blackmailed, stalked, barricaded in the home, manipulated with suicide threats, have children and gave up their careers to look after them so have no resources, moved by the abuser across the country, lack family support, may have no friends or family to stay with and are thus forced to stay.

'women staying with men who knock them about comes down to some women being stupid cunts'

So it's not the fault of the men hurting them at all? It's all the victim's fault? But if a dog stays with an owner that abuses and hurts it, what then? But then if a woman doesn't want to date men at all, she's a crazy cat lady. Damned if they do, damned if they don't; a woman may simply never win. No choice is ever the right choice.

marlimar · Sunday at 11:22 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
having sex. Not choosing a life partner

Why would you have sex if not with a potential life partner? Masturbation exists, current youth drink less, socialize less, fuck less and wonder why they are sad. It starts with being happy with yourself or fixing yourself, not seeking a crutch to pity you and the very specific ways life is unfair to you and only you. Some people like being needed, for whatever reasons (control primarily) but it takes both partners willing to go back to the same home each day for a life partner, it has been and always will be a unilateral decision by one party. It sucks to come home to an empty house with the utilities cut off when you get off work, but it happens. Communication failures are bound to happen and how a couple ameliorates them will differ case by case, some folks just pick putting hands on the other. I think Domestic violence is less prevalent than it was 40-50 years ago we just hear about it a lot more often.

FedPostalService · Sunday at 11:22 AM

Otterly said:
Because we don’t fight physically any more. And… I will try to phrase this in a way that doesn’t blame women for men’s violent actions.

PL but I remember being super young and having a girlfriend who has a super violent dad that was out of her life. Dumped out the blue one day when things were going well. My mates who knew told me after we split told me she was a headache (thanks for waiting, lads) and she’d always break up with a guy when things were going well. I thought this was just them helping me cope and seethe but it was what I though was a nice white lie.

Years later found out she’s got a string of kids with a string of men who beat her.

Women aren’t responsible for the violence but some are really good at seeking it and sticking around far too long.

emptypacketofmethadone said:
@Otterly You don't necessarily know that the female colleagues hadn't been lovebombed or manipulated to see their abuser positively, though. Maybe everyone else in her life also regarded him positively.

If women are such silly and easily baffled creatures why let them vote?

That’s me being a dick as nearly all the women in my life are functioning human beings who are capable of taking responsibility for their actions and thus shit doesn’t fly when I hear it.

Go based women!

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 11:24 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
So it's not the fault of the men hurting them at all? It's all the victim's fault?

It's the mans fault for being a violent piece of shit, and the woman is a moron for staying with him. You can in fact not want men to be violent lunatics, and think that abusing women is bad, while also acknowledging that they tend to only really go for a specific type of woman, and that type of woman should leave him. Yes, there are extenuating circumstances, for sure; no, they do not preclude you from leaving him unless you literally are locked in 24/7. It's a matter of what your dumb decision - as a fully emancipated member of society with all the rights and privileges that affords you - will cost you to do so. This is why you should be careful when picking your boyfriend/fuckbuddy/husband. If that is too onerous, please form a political party that will strip women of the right to be full adults and put them as dependents on their families instead.

Abusive men are abusive their whole lives, in all their relationships, and they are escalatory. They leave a trail of victims behind them, most of which are only with them for short periods of time before they - guess what - leave; until they land on the person they drill down on and keep abusing because she, for whatever reason, does not leave. He will then probably go on to murder her, and probably get away with it. Abusive men are documented, and easily tracked. Before getting into a relationship with someone, look them up, it's a free service. If they start being abusive, leave them. When people tell them the man they are seeing is clearly a lunatic, they should listen and leave him. Men are - and I understand this is a difficult thing for you as a woman to grasp - told from the second they enter education, to the day they die, that abusing women is wrong. The ones that do it, are evil, and will do it regardless. It's not a matter of education, or information, or context, or anything else. It's the simple reality that no one murders abusive men in their beds with clawhammers, and some women refuse to leave psychopaths until they murder them.

Of course, there are those unfortunate women that do leave them, and then get murdered by them in a tard rage as well, which is why women should 100% kill abusive men. But ho-hum.

You should feel free to not bother responding to this, as you are being hysterical, and arguing with you while you are like this is pointless. I am informing you of things.

emptypacketofmethadone said:
This is why women hate us.

How do you do, fellow mans. Gosh I love having a penis and drinking ~~Stella~~ Guinness down at the working MANS club. How about we all talk about how we HATE WOMEN! Then we can watch Love Isla-I MEAN TOP GEAR!!
EDIT: I remembered a woman who loves crushing Stella, but I've never met one that likes Guinness.

Made In Wales · Sunday at 11:38 AM

A woman who I used to know (nothing more than somebody I'd see in the local shop) married a guy who people had suspicions about, and has now locked her friends and family out of her life.

The guy is a rat - a charmer, but a rat.

He's made her lose weight because 'it would please him if she did' and she can only go out if he accompanies her.

He's not a thug or violent, but very manipulative and controlling especially in his language.

She's gone from being bright and bubbly to a virtual shut-in.

This is why I have zero sympathy for women who get into these circumstances - you know when you approach a level crossing and the lights go on, the alarm sounds and the gates cross... that's to prevent you from serious danger - the train that is coming will more than likely kill you if it hits you.

What women like the one described are doing with a dangerous man is akin to vaulting over the barriers and dancing on the tracks as the train hurtles towards you. We can all see the train coming, it's blasting its horn, it's obvious as fuck but you're going 'lalala...'

emptypacketofmethadone · Sunday at 11:43 AM

Made In Wales said:
A woman who I used to know (nothing more than somebody I'd see in the local shop) married a guy who people had suspicions about, and has now locked her friends and family out of her life.

The guy is a rat - a charmer, but a rat.

He's made her lose weight because 'it would please him if she did' and she can only go out if he accompanies her.

He's not a thug or violent, but very manipulative and controlling especially in his language.

She's gone from being bright and bubbly to a virtual shut-in.

This is why I have zero sympathy for women who get into these circumstances - you know when you approach a level crossing and the lights go on, the alarm sounds and the gates cross... that's to prevent you from serious danger - the train that is coming will more than likely kill you if it hits you.

What women like the one described are doing with a dangerous man is akin to vaulting over the barriers and dancing on the tracks as the train hurtles towards you. We can all see the train coming, it's blasting its horn, it's obvious as fuck but you're going 'lalala...'

Fine, then men are also responsible for being abused by women....right?

I will relent and admit that the only situation where women I don't sympathise with is when entering an abusive relationship after she is directly informed of his history by his previous victim. (But don't forget that abusers may even get a glowing recommendation from his ex or his friends).

Some women are too arrogant to understand that men will treat them the same way he treated his ex. Always, they think that they are somehow special, superior to his ex-girlfriend and think it's impossible he too will abuse her. 'There must have been something wrong with the ex, which is why he abused her. I am better than her, so he won't abuse me too'.

Women like that are insufferable. Jonny Craig has a lolcow thread where this is the theme for all his partners. Each new girlfriend reaches out to him to warn the next, and each woman stubbornly rejects their warning and dismisses them as jealous.

But this is the only situation where I don't pity the victim. If his ex warned you and you went ahead, fuck you for thinking you're superior to her and wouldn't get the same treatment.

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 11:51 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
Fine, then men are also responsible for being abused by women....right?

Yes they are responsible for sticking around, almost kind of more so. Stats wise, the most dangerous point for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave, it's when he'll most likely escalate to actual violence. It's why things like 'Refuge' should be more funded, and have more locations and probably drivers and pingable cars, so you can sidestep the "YOU'RE LEAVING ME YOU EVIL BITCH!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!!" Stage. For men it's when they stay for extended periods. It's when the risk of suicide for them is much higher - women tend not to murder their boyfriends - and once they get out, the risk of topping yourself or suffering harm for a man drops considerably; without the "Oh fuck Daves got the kitchen knives!" stage appearing. It's a lot easier for men to just leave.

Made In Wales said:
This is why I have zero sympathy for women who get into these circumstances

I think we should have a lot of sympathy for them, it's a shitty awful situation to be in. But pretending like it was somehow this unforseen Black Swan Event every single time is retarded. Our society could do a lot more for victims of abuse; and it doesn't. The police - despite the narrative of 'Oh they just believe women with no evidence' - are criminally bad at dealing with domestic violence. They will largely just not give a fuck, and in the case of male officers; have a very bad habit of having sex with the abused women once they do get involved.

EDIT: Even with female officers, there's a cultural narrative around abusive relationships, where everyone expects a teary eyed waif that is being beaten by Big Baz when the footy goes bad, and is meek about it. The reality is that a lot of women who are abused have a an attitude when it comes to dealing with the police - a lot of the time justifiably - and they are very hard to deal with as people. It's embarrassing being a victim, it's humiliating asking for help. The defence will call you a slag in a polite but blatant way; the jury will listen to your 2am drunk message to your psycho boyfriend calling him all the cunts under the sun. It's a complicated problem, because people really don't like thinking about abuse, and it becomes a very black and white issue to most people that when it doesn't match with their expectations they switch off.

The police are called to disturbances by other people, not the victim most of the time. Which means they'll turn up and find Sarah having a row with Mike, and want to get it dealt with ASAP, so both are called scum and made to calm down. When it reaches court, the defence has the man dress nice, behave calmly, look contrite. While Sarah has to sit there and listen to everyone twist every word and every action she has said or taken into something sinister, all the while the defence calls her a slag to her face and she can't react. It's fucking obscene.

emptypacketofmethadone · Sunday at 11:55 AM

Chunky Salsa said:
Yes they are responsible for sticking around, almost kind of more so. Stats wise, the most dangerous point for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave, it's when he'll most likely escalate to actual violence. It's why things like 'Refuge' should be more funded, and have more locations and probably drivers and pingable cars, so you can sidestep the "YOU'RE LEAVING ME YOU EVIL BITCH!!! I'LL KILL YOU!!!" Stage. For men it's when they stay for extended periods. It's when the risk of suicide for them is much higher - women tend not to murder their boyfriends - and once they get out, the risk of topping yourself or suffering harm for a man drops considerably; without the "Oh fuck Daves got the kitchen knives!" stage appearing. It's a lot easier for men to just leave.

I think we should have a lot of sympathy for them, it's a shitty awful situation to be in. But pretending like it was somehow this unforseen Black Swan Event every single time is retarded. Our society could do a lot more for victims of abuse; and it doesn't. The police - despite the narrative of 'Oh they just believe women with no evidence' - are criminally bad at dealing with domestic violence. They will largely just not give a fuck, and in the case of male officers; have a very bad habit of having sex with the abused women once they do get involved.

A woman can have a ton of indisputable evidence of a bloke abusing her and the UK police won't prosecute even if the victims wish is to prosecute.

(Source: my cousin had messages on her phone of her ex blackmailing her for sex and threatening to break her belongings and stab her if she didn't comply. Police did not prosecute even though the suspect had a prior conviction of woman abuse)

Tom Nook's Gloryhole · Sunday at 11:56 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
Fine, then men are also responsible for being abused by women....right?

Absolutely. It takes a total fucking coward of a man to stay with a piece of shit woman simply because it's better than being alone. I'm sure every fucking man in this thread knows someone like that or WAS that person. It hits a point where you're so aware that the guy is going through hell that you wonder if it's some sort of fetish thing to be bullied every single fucking moment of his life. Financial abuse, domestic abuse, you can't see your friends, how fucking dare you talk to that girl in the supermarket?

So you give them support, you say "do you want to talk about it?", try and include them in activities away from the partner in order to see if they feel safe enough to be themselves.

Eventually there comes a point where the abused person cuts us off for driving a wedge between their relationship or we cut them off because it's like talking to a brick wall.

It's possible to be both a victim AND a retard.

Otterly · Sunday at 11:57 AM

Made In Wales said:
This is why I have zero sympathy for women who get into these circumstances

We can have plenty of sympathy while still pushing the point that
1. You have to leave
2. We will keep you safe if you leave
As people have pointed out, when they lose control of you is the point they will break and get very nasty. It’s important that women’s refuges exist, that they are women only (no male trannies) and that women are supported to leave. Part of that is all of us - if you have a female friend or family being isolated (I know this is not a close person, so I’m not saying you and her personally) do NOT let it happen. Be a pain. Go round and visit. Make it clear you’ll help. Make them memorise your phone number and get them to pack a bag and hold the kids passports.
Actively seeking out the big boy thug gangsters? No sympathy at all. But we have someone we know (again not terribly well) who is being financially and coercively by her asshole husband and we keep going round and making sure she knows that when she gets the courage, one call will have half a dozen people there to get her out. It’s her Choice and we can’t make her

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 11:59 AM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
A woman can have a ton of indisputable evidence of a bloke abusing her and the UK police won't prosecute even if the victims wish is to prosecute.

(Source: my cousin had messages on her phone of her ex blackmailing her for sex and threatening to break her belongings and stab her if she didn't comply. Police did not prosecute even though the suspect had a prior conviction of woman abuse).

I edited my post to include a rant about that. The police are scum. The whole system as its set up does effectively work against the victim.

DreinMeinVein · Sunday at 12:05 PM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
All I said was that women are not responsible for their abuse at the hands of violent men.

And all everyone else was saying is that it's a sad fact that too many women are a poor judge of character. As are too many men, although it's more dangerous for women. Having a partner try to throttle you during sex is a good example of a red flag.

Yes, we've been drawn into a #notallmen derail. You said the "can't we simply stop men being the baddies" thing.
Sometimes it feels necessary to remind us all of the facts:

If you're ever in trouble, a man is most likely to be willing and able to save you (or anyone).
A minority of men is also more willing and able to harm you (or anyone else).
This is why men shouldn't be hated. Men are okay, mostly. It's also why trannies shouldn't be allowed into the girls' bogs.

Women are not responsible for their abuse at the hands of violent men. Definitely not. Too many people walk into these situations, though. A man who wants to choke is a good example of someone to be avoided. You make many good points, but I think the fair consensus is that we should all take steps to secure our safety, sanity etc. Some people are a walking red flag and it would be self-preserving to notice.
...............
No we shouldn't be crashing bitcoin and cashing out to provide for dickhead foreigners who hate us.

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 12:07 PM

DreinMeinVein said:
No we shouldn't be crashing bitcoin and cashing out to provide for dickhead foreigners who hate us.

Crashing this economy with no survivors might make houses cheaper though...

emptypacketofmethadone · Sunday at 12:08 PM

Chunky Salsa said:
I edited my post to include a rant about that. The police are scum. The whole system as its set up does effectively work against the victim.

Yep! Often the police will side with the male abuser because the woman 'provoked' him and even try to insist the male is a victim when he is not.

' While Sarah has to sit there and listen to everyone twist every word and every action she has said or taken into something sinister,'

Yep. If you've ever jokingly said to your boyfriend 'I'm gonna kill you if you pee on the seat again' that is suddenly evidence that you are an evil husband-beater, an abuser, a captor, a psycho, a murderess, you're basically Jodi Arias. Seriously.

geeker99 · Sunday at 12:13 PM

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903

We should be signing and spreading this, right?

Chunky Salsa · Sunday at 12:16 PM

emptypacketofmethadone said:
Yep! Often the police will side with the male abuser because the woman 'provoked' him and even try to insist the male is a victim when he is not.

' While Sarah has to sit there and listen to everyone twist every word and every action she has said or taken into something sinister,'

Yep. If you've ever jokingly said to your boyfriend 'I'm gonna kill you if you pee on the seat again' that is suddenly evidence that you are an evil husband-beater. Seriously.

The only thing needed is reasonable doubt to avoid conviction. If you can get the jury to see your girlfriend as a crazy person, that's enough to avoid it. Abusive men don't think they are evil, they think that all the women in their life are nutjobs out to get them. It's what the defence will do, and why it's a 50/50 on if the prosecution would even want the woman to give testimony, or be present. Women who have been abused - hell, people that have been abused - long term are not the easiest to talk to, and often have hair trigger tempers.

So if you go "My girlfriend is a volatile, lying, verbally abusive monster out to get me." and you have 100 texts, and a bunch of voicemails from her screaming at you, it's a pretty easy win for you. One of the cases my mother dealt with, was when a woman had been abused by her husband for years; and he blatantly murdered her by strangling her with a bathrobe tie. He got away with it, because there was reasonable doubt since she was an alcoholic with a history of depression.

You know, from the abuse.

So it could have been a suicide. Very gross; she should have gotten drunk and chewed him up under the car wheels.

geeker99 said:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
We should be signing and spreading this, right?

I'm illiterate. But also signed, not that it will do much beyond make the government read out the title of the debate and go 'No, lol'. Still, can't hurt.

UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

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Made In Wales

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emptypacketofmethadone

marlimar

FedPostalService

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Chunky Salsa

Made In Wales

emptypacketofmethadone

Chunky Salsa

emptypacketofmethadone

Tom Nook's Gloryhole

Otterly

Primark Primarch

Chunky Salsa

DreinMeinVein

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emptypacketofmethadone

geeker99

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