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It's a good start. Merit based is useless, though, since all indians literally lie/cheat about their skills.
After re-reading the story it looks like it'll be based on salary with the idea being H1B's are for jobs that are difficult to find anyone for so the pay should be much higher than everyone else's. In other words they're saying H1B's should be replacing management not labor.
 
After re-reading the story it looks like it'll be based on salary with the idea being H1B's are for jobs that are difficult to find anyone for so the pay should be much higher than everyone else's. In other words they're saying H1B's should be replacing management not labor.
I can't wait to be lorded over by rajeet who can't understand the basics of what he's supposed to be doing
 
I can't wait to be lorded over by rajeet who can't understand the basics of what he's supposed to be doing

Can't you read? He's ending the H1 lottery. As in, it's over. H1 is done, cooked, finito. He promised to end immigration and he's delivering, piece by piece. The lottery is ending, who can argue with that?
 
with the idea being H1B's are for jobs that are difficult to find anyone for
such as? Because anyone can claim any job is difficult for anyone to work for as an excuse to hire more pajeets.
In other words they're saying H1B's should be replacing management not labor.
like that's any fucking better

current management is already fucking retarded and there are too many jobs, especially office jobs, that have too many chefs and not enough cooks in the kitchen so to speak.

could you imagine like 4 pajeet supervisors under the same department micromanaging you to do the same shit over and over again? Anyone would fucking kill themselves from just the thought alone.
 
It's a good start. Merit based is useless, though, since all indians literally lie/cheat about their skills.
And the "merit" people Elon find in H-1Bs is "we can pay them almost nothing, lower all American wages, and they can't ever complain / unionize / find work elsewhere nor can Americans."

It needs to end. Period. We don't need to import serfs, no matter what the techbros want. Yes, it'll cause the line to stop going up becuase the boomers will have to share some of the prosperity with the lesser people, the non-boomers. Oh fucking well.
 
The Trump administration releases MLK files and the top story on The Hill is about Trump's venous insufficiency. Andrew Dobson's brother working for Nexstar must be having a serious effect on The Hill's quality.
The MLK files just confirm that he was an adulterous puppet. This isn't new information
 
Its funny how h1b isnt explicitly Indian, we just all don't like India.
In the tech world H1B's are almost entirely Indian.

Bleeding-heart UK tech site TheRegister has weighed in and they're surprisingly neutral/leaning toward favoring approval: https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/20/h_1b_job_lottery/

US signals intention to rethink job H-1B lottery​


Foreign worker program represents betrayal of US computer science students, advocacy group argues​


Sun 20 Jul 2025 // 14:00 UTC


The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) intend to reevaluate how H-1B visas are issued, according to a regulatory filing.

The notice, filed on Thursday with the US Office of Management and Budget's Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), seeks the statutory review of a proposed rule titled "Weighted Selection Process for Registrants and Petitioners Seeking To File Cap-Subject H-1B Petitions."

Once the review is complete, which could be a matter of days or weeks, the text of the rule is expected to be published in the US Federal Register.


Based on the rule title, it appears the government intends to change the system for allocating H-1B visas the current lottery to some system that will favor applicants who meet specified criteria, possibly related to skills.



The H-1B visa program, which reached its Fiscal 2026 cap on Friday, allows skilled guest workers to come work in the US. As of 2019, there were about 600,000 H-1B workers in the US, according to USCIS [PDF].

The foreign worker program is beloved by technology companies, ostensibly to hire talent not readily available from American workers. But H-1B – along with the Optional Practical Training (OPT) program – has long been criticized for making it easier to undercut US worker wages, limiting labor rights for immigrants, and for persistent abuse of the rules by outsourcing companies.


Change cannot come soon enough for Kevin Lynn, executive director of Institute for Sound Public Policy, a non-profit that advocates for US workers and the reform of guest worker programs.

Lynn in a blog post on Thursday argued that schemes like H-1B, the accompanying H-4 EAD spousal visas, and OPT, have betrayed America's computer science graduates.

"In 2023, American colleges graduated 134,153 citizens or green card holders with bachelor's or master's degrees in computer science," Lynn wrote.


"That same year, our federal government handed out work permits to at least 110,098 foreign workers in computer occupations through just three major guest worker programs. That's equal to 82 percent of our graduating class who are guaranteed jobs even before any Americans walk across the stage for their diploma."

US government policies, he argues, favor foreign workers over American students.

Recent college graduates are facing a tougher job market than other demographic categories, with a Q1 2025 unemployment rate of 5.8 percent compared to 4.0 percent for workers on average, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. For recent graduates in computer science, the US unemployment rate was 6.1 percent and 7.5 percent for computer engineering as of February 2025.

A survey by recruiting firm ZipRecruiter published earlier this year found that 25.8 percent of those who majored in computer science, information technology, or data science wish they had chosen to focus on a different subject.

Lynn blames programs like H-1B for taking jobs away from US computer science students.

"The H-1B visa program has exploded from 363,503 workers in 2011 to 685,117 in 2022 – an 81 percent increase," he wrote. "Between 60 percent and 70 percent of these visas go to workers in computer occupations, directly taking entry-level positions from American graduates."

Ron Hira, associate professor of political science at Howard University and a research associate with the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), which advocates for progressive labor policy, told The Register that the concerns Lynn has raised are valid, though a narrow framing of a complex issue.

"There's no doubt that the H-1B and OPT work program – and the OPT is not supposed to be a work program, but it really is – have really nothing to do with merit or competence or any kind of labor shortages," Hira said.

"So those are fundamental flaws in the program. And then, on top of that, both of those programs allow employers to pay a lot less than market wages. So there's no doubt that those programs distort the US labor market in very negative ways for workers who are in that market."

Hira, co-author of Outsourcing America, has testified numerous times before Congressional committees about US immigration policy. He has argued that the H-1B program amounts to what has been described as an "outsourcing visa" because it allows tech service companies like Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, IBM, Accenture, and Deloitte to ship US jobs overseas.

He explained, "When they go into a client – often a Fortune 500 company – they'll say, 'We will take over your IT department and we'll offer you what's called a global delivery model. We'll try to offshore as many of the tasks as possible because we'll pay my cousins' – literally, my cousins in India – 'eight bucks an hour or five bucks an hour,' which is a good wage."

"They have basically a 70-30 kind of model where 70 percent of the work gets done offshore, and 30 percent of the work – because of the nature of the tasks are geographically sticky – has to stay on-site. But instead of hiring and using Americans, they'll bring in H-1B workers who can be paid less, are indentured to the employer, but also act as liaisons to the 70 percent of workers who are offshore."

Hira said 40 percent of H-1B visas go to middlemen with that sort of business model.

Other avid fans of the H-1B program include US tech giants like Apple, Amazon, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Qualcomm, Salesforce, Uber, and Walmart. According to Hira, these companies "had significant shares of their certified H-1B positions assigned as Level 1 or Level 2, the two lowest wage levels in fiscal 2019, both of which are below the local median wage."

Hira claimed that companies offering salaries at these levels typically are able to pay their workers 20 to 40 percent lower than local median salaries for relevant occupations.

Understanding the impact of offshoring, however, has been difficult, he said, because the US government has chosen not to collect that information. "This has been a long-running issue, of trying to measure white collar offshoring, really doing it in a serious way," he said. "And I've been calling for that for more than 20 years."

Despite talk about AI taking jobs, Hira said that's just a way to distract from what's going on.

"It's hard to get any real data on how much impact AI is having, but the companies certainly have a lot of PR cover by pointing to [AI]," Hira said. "They'll use different terminology. So IBM used to call it 'rebalancing the workforce,' and they would call their layoffs 'resource actions.' But you know, Microsoft's doing similar kinds of things. The fact that they can point to AI gives them cover from scrutiny."

Hira says that fixing the flaws in these programs is relatively straightforward, has bipartisan support, and largely can be done through administrative actions. He argues that the US Department of Labor (DOL) should:

  • Implement its final wage rule, Strengthening Wage Protections for the Temporary and Permanent Employment of Certain Immigrants and Non-Immigrants in the United States;
  • Require secondary employers of H-1B workers to attest that they will not adversely affect wages and working conditions;
  • Use agency auditing powers to ensure program compliance;
  • Enforce the "actual wage" component of the H-1B prevailing wage rule;
  • Work with USCIS to curb skill level misclassification.
He also proposes that USCIS should replace the random selection of H-1B visas with a system that prioritizes highest wages, and should revisit its vacated rule, Strengthening the H-1B Nonimmigrant Visa Classification Program.

Congress, he said, should take a page from Canada and revise the H-1B program to require employers to actively recruit US workers and hire qualified American applicants prior to hiring an H-1B worker. Finally, he says Congress should require random audits of all H-1B employees to hold them accountable. ®
 
Which is psychotic because indian technology is substandard.

Consider the cost differences though. I don't keep up with the market super close anymore but, an engineer might cost $100 to $150k salary + other junk. Call it $150 to $200k with medical, taxes, training, software, whatever else. An Indian one? $10k + whatever other junk but not medical.

So, let's say you can hire 15 or 20 or so Indians for the price of one US engineer. Of those 15 or 20, assume conservatively 3 work out very well. The rest were trash but they can press a button so let's say okay, they serve some function. You just got 3 engineers and a bunch of button pressers for the cost of 1 US engineer.

I'm not saying that's right or the best business decision. Personally I think it's a shit business decision as it increases complexity in operations for a questionable benefit. But that's how top brass thinks about it. You are, as always, expendable to them.

Edit: I want to add my belief that the future of tech is lean teams of 3 to 5 US guys going hard and using the tools they have to build better products. Like MS and Google are literally trash now, imho. I fucking hate MS with a passion for how fucked up it is.
 
Consider the cost differences though. I don't keep up with the market super close anymore but, an engineer might cost $100 to $150k salary + other junk. Call it $150 to $200k with medical, taxes, training, software, whatever else. An Indian one? $10k + whatever other junk but not medical.

So, let's say you can hire 15 or 20 or so Indians for the price of one US engineer. Of those 15 or 20, assume conservatively 3 work out very well. The rest were trash but they can press a button so let's say okay, they serve some function. You just got 3 engineers and a bunch of button pressers for the cost of 1 US engineer.

I'm not saying that's right or the best business decision. Personally I think it's a shit business decision as it increases complexity in operations for a questionable benefit. But that's how top brass thinks about it. You are, as always, expendable to them.

Edit: I want to add my belief that the future of tech is lean teams of 3 to 5 US guys going hard and using the tools they have to build better products. Like MS and Google are literally trash now, imho. I fucking hate MS with a passion for how fucked up it is.
TheRegister's article explains the scam well:

"When they go into a client – often a Fortune 500 company – they'll say, 'We will take over your IT department and we'll offer you what's called a global delivery model. We'll try to offshore as many of the tasks as possible because we'll pay my cousins' – literally, my cousins in India – 'eight bucks an hour or five bucks an hour,' which is a good wage."

"They have basically a 70-30 kind of model where 70 percent of the work gets done offshore, and 30 percent of the work – because of the nature of the tasks are geographically sticky – has to stay on-site. But instead of hiring and using Americans, they'll bring in H-1B workers who can be paid less, are indentured to the employer, but also act as liaisons to the 70 percent of workers who are offshore.""
 
The US is leaving the UNESCO again (archive)
The United States announced Tuesday it will again pull out of the U.N.’s educational, scientific and cultural agency because it believes that its involvement is not in the country’s national interest, and that the agency promotes anti-Israel speech. This decision comes only two years after the United States rejoined UNESCO after leaving in 2018, during U.S. President Donald Trump’s first administration.

State Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce said the withdrawal was linked to UNESCO’s perceived agenda to “advance divisive social and cultural causes.”

She added in a statement that UNESCO’s decision “to admit the ‘State of Palestine’ as a Member State is highly problematic, contrary to U.S. policy, and contributed to the proliferation of anti-Israel rhetoric within the organization.”
 
Consider the cost differences though. I don't keep up with the market super close anymore but, an engineer might cost $100 to $150k salary + other junk. Call it $150 to $200k with medical, taxes, training, software, whatever else. An Indian one? $10k + whatever other junk but not medical.

So, let's say you can hire 15 or 20 or so Indians for the price of one US engineer. Of those 15 or 20, assume conservatively 3 work out very well. The rest were trash but they can press a button so let's say okay, they serve some function. You just got 3 engineers and a bunch of button pressers for the cost of 1 US engineer.

I'm not saying that's right or the best business decision. Personally I think it's a shit business decision as it increases complexity in operations for a questionable benefit. But that's how top brass thinks about it. You are, as always, expendable to them.

Edit: I want to add my belief that the future of tech is lean teams of 3 to 5 US guys going hard and using the tools they have to build better products. Like MS and Google are literally trash now, imho. I fucking hate MS with a passion for how fucked up it is.
Oh I get it, its just "saving money" is usually synonymous with destroying the core product. Saving money should be an after effect of innovation, not a standard operating procedure.
 
It's a good start. Merit based is useless, though, since all indians literally lie/cheat about their skills.
Which is why pay is on there. H1B is supposed to be about special skills we don't have in the US, not replacing your experienced American employees with cheap, FOTB jeets. So okay, your H1Bs are super skilled, are they? You desperately need them to succeed because of how unique they are? Then you must be paying them a lot.

The kind of H1B who fits the programs on-paper description is, for example, a senior ex-Fiat VP whom you've hired on to your sales squad specifically to handle relationships with that account. Or Texas Instruments has decided to get into the foundry laser business, and you've hired away an ASML engineer to lead your team. Someone like that would be paid handsomely.
 
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