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That’s similar to what they said about the F4 Phantom when they didn’t put guns on it.
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Maybe it's the itch to buy another gun and I know the P365 isnt included in the P320 issues but I wouldn't mind swapping my P365 to a slimline Glock. No issues daily carrying the P365, love that it's modular and I was able to swap a Wilson combat grip module in but .. sig worries me.
The day when the rifleman dies, is probably when humanity as a whole has been overtaken by machines.
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For all the amazement of integration of drones in Ukraine (bizarre the U.S. has been lagging far behind in cheap drones) they still need infantry to push, clear, and hold points. Granted that war is marked by both sides not having clear overmatch with one another so it’s turned into a WW1 slog but it’s definitely proving you still need grunts.
Drones only worry because because of sabotage stuff right now with the U.S. vulnerable and who knows how many Chinese agents are in the U.S. planning things as a worse than Pearl Harbor sneak attack on the mainland.
Gurney Halleck
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It's a valid concern, the way Sig has been behaving makes everything they make suspect even if the underlying design is solid. I was planning on picking up a P365 and a P226 at some point and they're now indefinitely on hold. I wouldn't expect either to go off randomly, but I do expect them to have nagging QC issues until the company gets rid of Ron Cohen and makes QC a priority rather than an afterthought.
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And if I recall correctly, if the electronics crap out on the FCS the optic can still be used like a normal LPVO. The self-targeting aiming point is just superimposed over the normal reticle. And it's made by Vortex, who are known for making quality, rugged glass.
What is important right now is to invest in research, training, production capabilities etc. regarding drone production. I see plenty of these comments about "our military should acquire thousands of these small FPV drones, look at how effective they are in Ukraine!". And then what, they sit in a warehouse where they become obsolete in the next 6 months?
Drone technology is advancing so fast right now, that it makes no sense for any military to acquire huge amounts of drones unless they are going to actual field use. And by field use I mean actual operations, not just training capacity. Contracting between government and civilian companies to establish the means of fast drone production for whatever the flavour of technology is when it's actually needed, along with established doctrine and trained people, is what militaries should be doing. And a lot of them are doing just that.
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Not really. The original F-4 was the Air Force being high on its own supply with AIM-7 because they anticipated a conflict over Europe and the Arctic circle where they would engage oncoming fighters and bombers at range with radar guided missiles as they came over in the initial onslaught of WW3. They saw themselves as the air interceptor role with ground support and air superiority as secondary especially if they think they were going to eliminate the Soviet Air Force in the first days of WW3.
They didn't realize the MIG-21 would be an absolute pain in the ass to deal with when they were taking off in a neighboring country with even shorter distance to airfields with it's own air intercept missions and could fly below the flight deck of what F-4 pilots were used to. It didn't help the radar systems at the time were primitive by modern standards (you had a horn antenna with a narrow antenna gain beam pattern) and the F-4 would have to point it nose at the target while maintain its own minimum speed against a fighter that could fly subsonic. The pilots would overshoot the MiG-21s and then put themselves at risk. By the end of the war, the F-4 had guns on board to deal with the dog fighting the MiG-21 pilots forced on them. The F-4 lasted up until the early 90s and the air doctrine the F-4 originally was suppose to do is now done by the F-15E. For those of you who don't know, the F-15E does the same role but even better because that AESA radar has a wide sweeping range and the pilot doesn't have to follow his target in a narrow cone. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, you go to war with the military you have and the Air Force, Navy, and Marines had to take a fighter not fully intended for the initial role it had in Vietnam. Retrofitting a machine gun on a fighter air craft is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
The M7 is once again the Army having a bias for a theater of operation it no longer has to deal with just like the ACU camo of the 2000s. There is also no retrofitting of rifles, not like you can make them all 5.56 NATO. If the Army gives up on them, they have to reorder a bunch of new rifles which means a new trial, not like they send them back to Sig Sauer for updating like the F-4s did with McDonnell-Douglas. That said, I'm of the more conspiracy oriented mindset that after Afghanistan, the Army went ahead with the NGSW program not because of Russian and Chinese threats but a homegrown one. Think about it, which country has wide access to quality body armor without a reputation of constantly cutting corners and any reasonable person can own it?
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Glock doesn't make anything comparable to a P365. Their slimline guns are either single stack (43) or compacts (43X, 48 ). In a post many pages back, I outlined a list of every micro 9 I was aware of.
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Sigbros on suicide watch.
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I like the idea and it would be great for a DMR or machine gun but I don't think it would be helpful for general infantry. The optic is planned to be used with 6.8 so you wouldn't see meaningful drop or deflection until like 400 meters. Most infantry fighting is done at less than that so it provides little benefit. Furthermore, with reduced a ammunition because of the full sized cartridge it would be unwise to waste ammo with low probability shots at long range. Their are much better munitions out there for dealing with things far away than infantry small arms; thier role is for when you don't have the standoff distance for the good stuff. Most of the time I don't think the added weight, complexity, and cost would be worth it compared to conventional optics.
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Hey, there's no reason to bring up the 100, we're all friends here.
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I would say CZ keeps winning alongside glock but Colt took over CZ polymer production, so I wouldn't buy a polymer CZ to save my life.
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The bomb drone kneels to the 1301 filled with bird shot.
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I was looking to make the switch from a G26 to a smaller gun for a while. Considered the P365 but was tired of Sig as a company way before these P320 issues happened.
I eventually got an HK CC9. Has been a good middle ground between the P365 and the Glock 43x I bought for my girlfriend.
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The 9th Circuit just struck down Cali's ammo background check law in a 2-1 decision. A small W for the folks stuck behind the Soy Curtain.
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Keep in mind the M7 (which is a shitrod) is not always going to be using the spicy level 4 piercing ammo. Using a varitey of ammo types means the range finder can give you a solution dialed into what you have loaded. Very cool, and very nice. Your DMR is likely using a lot more glass than the LPVO attached to the FC, and is going to be better trained, while 100% useful and I don't disagree with the utility there, you are going to get less of a jump in ability simply because the gap is already closed some.
A computer aiming solution is also going to let oogabooga grunt utilize his high mass high velocity round much farther out then what we are used to today. It isn't totally unreasonable that he could be taking potshots at targets 800yds away. Sounds like a fools errand, until you think about an individual suddenly effectively suppressing a heavy machine gun which is absolutely otherwise effectively engaging you at that distance.
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"We investigated ourselves and we concluded that we did nuffin wrong and you're all gay niggers from outerspace."Nonsense! I was informed by Sig that it ended weeks ago. Are we sure we haven't ruled out the possibility that the pistol fired because of telekinetic input? Maybe it was voodoo magic or something?
R/sigsauer is coping hard currently. Total Sigger Death.
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The moment international supply lines deteriorate in an actual war, nobody is going to be able to churn out cheap drones as borderline disposable remote bombers, because there is no way for any nation to independently manufacture them anymore. Not just basic materials procurement, but manufacturing, assembling, and transporting them is all an international cooperation, and that is not including America defending the global naval shipping lanes, which it won't be able to properly keep up in a real war. I firmly think that in any serious war, there will be more infantry, not fewer, due to practically every nation's utter inability to function without an international trade network, leaving us to rely on old habits as the logistical chain collapses to due generations of mismanagement and poor decisions. There's been way too much outsourcing of essential industries for too long for any hot war to not turn into a complete, bloodsoaked clusterfuck in a year or less if things actually went to shit. Assuming any of us had the capacity to maintain it for that long to begin with.
That's assuming nukes weren't used by some lunatic, somewhere.