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Burnt Fish said:
I mean by her accounts she thought things were as good as she said until last september, and only knew the depths of it 2 weeks ago. You're starting to sound a bit schizo being MATI like you've been lied to about something that even actually effects you and bizarrely blaming the people who got stolen from instead of the company behind them that was actually doing the shit.

he said to himself sounding increasingly nervous and louder each time.
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I think you're lending to much credit to anime girls that all tell different stories and timelines which to be honest probably means they're full of shit. Old talents had issues years ago, talents that had only recently left had issues going back 2+ years, and talents that are playing blissfully ignorant when the writing was on the wall.

The only world the talent in that company aren't huge pieces of shit is that they magically don't talk to each other or they're so stupid they think an NDA means they can't speak to anyone at all like their co-workers, friends, family or better yet a fucking lawyer.
 
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Time of Space said:
"Yeah I fucking did it, eat shit"
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someone just needs to remake this into Vshojo and Gunrun
merpalerpaherp said:
I think you're lending to much credit to anime girls that all tell different stories and timelines which to be honest probably means they're full of shit. Old talents had issues years ago, talents that had only recently left had issues going back 2+ years, and talents that are playing blissfully ignorant when the writing was on the wall.

The only world the talent in that company aren't huge pieces of shit is that they magically don't talk to each other or they're so stupid they think an NDA means they can't speak to anyone at all like their co-workers, friends, family or better yet a fucking lawyer.
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It really runs into a wall when this line of thinking is so clearly not even thought through in the slightest.

"actually they're all lying to you" just pause and ask yourself "to what end"

What would be the goal of the talents lying about the situation, when the situation is them getting ripped off and robbed. "haha we have deceived you, we actually knew we were being robbed blind for years and said nothing because......... reasons" There's no benefit to this. The only way for this to be your assumption is to just start with the conclusion "I don't like them" and then just shoehorn in a not even half baked "theory" to try and justify that predetermined conclusion.

And ironically it gives them more credit to assume it was some sort of orchestrated long con like this. And that's even putting aside the fact that it makes no sense to pull a grand scheme to lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
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Geega's response to Gunrun's statement X
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Pineapple Soda said:
The Vshojo drama has caused the original designer of Project Melody to make an appearance. Apparently, her boyfriend is the Vshojo COO.
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Don't know how much truth there is to that but Nyanners reply to Gunrun mentions the COO X
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Burnt Fish said:
someone just needs to remake this into Vshojo and Gunrun

It really runs into a wall when this line of thinking is so clearly not even thought through in the slightest.

"actually they're all lying to you" just pause and ask yourself "to what end"

What would be the goal of the talents lying about the situation, when the situation is them getting ripped off and robbed. "haha we have deceived you, we actually knew we were being robbed blind for years and said nothing because......... reasons" There's no benefit to this. The only way for this to be your assumption is to just start with the conclusion "I don't like them" and then just shoehorn in a not even half baked "theory" to try and justify that predetermined conclusion.

And ironically it gives them more credit to assume it was some sort of orchestrated long con like this.
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None of which addresses that they still had new talent being brought in knowing there were issues and bringing them along for the ride.
Each of them admits there have been issues, going back as far Silvervale's exit and probably before that. You're telling me that for 2-3 years this relatively small group of people had no idea what was happening around them?
I can see there being people that were left out of the larger discussion (I.E. a new talent wanting to speak to a member probably gets an introduction to company girl of the year) but it's not just black and white where GunRun is all evil and the talent are angels. Most new talent to agencies speaks to talent already in that agency when they are thinking about or are joining it, so at the very least it seems like a few of them were likely covering up internal issues for whatever reason.
 
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Burnt Fish said:
what a nothing statement to put out. Announcing the company that had every single one of it's talents leave is closing is like if Sharon Osbourne put out a press release tomorrow to let everyone know there weren't going to be any more Ozzy concerts.
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On the contrary, I think Justin is going to end up really regretting this paragraph:
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At best, it is an outright admission to misallocating funds. Depending on the circumstances it's confessing to financial crimes. At minimum charity donations like that should be accounted for and earmarked not to be spent elsewhere. Any competent accountant wouldn't have it in the same account used for any expenses. Usually this kind of malfeasance can be mitigated provided you actually have the funds to cover what's missing, but it can get really bad when you don't.
 
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BelUwUga said:
On the contrary, I think Justin is going to end up really regretting this paragraph:
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At best, it is an outright admission to misallocating funds. Depending on the circumstances it's confessing to financial crimes. At minimum charity donations like that should be accounted for and earmarked not to be spent elsewhere. Any competent accountant wouldn't have it in the same account used for any expenses. Usually this kind of malfeasance can be mitigated provided you actually have the funds to cover what's missing, but it can get really bad when you don't.
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I love that it took 3 days for him to put out a statement, and that he was apparently too broke to have a lawyer review it holy shit.
 
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Molag Bal said:
I've got this far-reaching schizo theory
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Oh yeah, this is schizo.
BelUwUga said:
On the contrary, I think Justin is going to end up really regretting this paragraph:
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At best, it is an outright admission to misallocating funds. Depending on the circumstances it's confessing to financial crimes. At minimum charity donations like that should be accounted for and earmarked not to be spent elsewhere. Any competent accountant wouldn't have it in the same account used for any expenses. Usually this kind of malfeasance can be mitigated provided you actually have the funds to cover what's missing, but it can get really bad when you don't.
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I wonder if his stoned lawyer told him to say that.
Serbian Peacekeepers said:
I'm fully expecting the next update regarding Vshojo to be either another felony, or Gunrun kills himself to escape legal and civil repercussions.
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I really hope the government gets its ass on this matter sooner than later in hopes to recover some assets to the talents what they're owed.
Optimistic as that money is lonnng gone.

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Bindo said:
I love that it took 3 days for him to put out a statement, and that he was apparently too broke to have a lawyer review it holy shit.
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LOL nevermind stoner lawyer didn't look at it.
 
LOWERCASE LETTERS said:
Veibae just popped up and fucking torched the company on Twitter. Holy shit.

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Sniped me by 1 second... Well fuck it here's the SS and text form of the tweet instead.
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and so our NDAs are now voidwhy i left VSHOJO -
back in 2023, vshojo tried to bully me into one of the most predatory contracts that i have ever seen. when i tried to ask more about it, their COO got extremely hostile with me and refused to answer any of my questions and so i had to hire a lawyer in order to get some clarification.

during the talks, it became clear that vshojo would rather let me go than to take less away from me. they were ultimately wanting me to give up more than half of all my sponsor revenue and over 60% of all merch sales. all i asked from them in return, is to not take a cut of the sponsors that i was getting through Mythic, as that cut was already being taken. they said no, they want it all. and so i asked to leave after being treated like i was disposable in our talks. they basically made it seem like they were my employer, and that they're the reason for my success. that i owe them and that i should be happy to give them my money.

in order for me to leave, they demanded i sign an nda that prevented me from speaking to any of the other talent about it. i could not say why i was leaving, i could not say what the terms that i was saying no to were. i even got in trouble for advising them to hire their own attorneys. they would watch my streams, read my discord, and then threaten to sue me. if i said anything that hinted towards how i really felt about the company, i was threatened with a lawsuit.

another one of their leave terms was that they will announce both me and silver on the same day in order to minimize the damage to their company. their COO has begun to push a narrative on 4chan (yes im serious lmfao) and other social media that i am leaving because i plan to join OTK and that both me and silvervale are troublemakers, so they were "letting" us go. later i found out that nyanners wanted to leave around the same time due to also being unhappy with the contract, but was told that she couldn't because it did not fit their narrative that they were pushing internally AND externally. the amount of hate we've gotten over leaving, from fans calling us greedy bitches to people saying we're abandoning our friends and tossing aside the company because we're successful enough, shit was fucking painful. not being able to say anything sucked.

i only found out i didn't get paid for any of my sponsors after i had already signed the NDA. after 2 years, i have still not been paid back fully. to add insult to injury, they also demanded i had to pay them back 10k for some of the anniversary assets which when they sent me back months later, were half finished.

despite all of that, i've had immense faith that the company has gotten better over the past 2 years. i assumed they rewrote their contracts after losing 3 people due to them and seeing all the new talent join.

clearly this was not the case.

now for some fun facts !!

- their company lawyer has an expired law license. he literally does not practice law anymore, yet he was our point of contact for any legal help we needed.

- they actively pitted us against one another during my time there, and compared our success to others. they tried enforcing streaming schedules so that our viewcount would look better due to less overlap.

- they would ALWAYS shit talk other vtuber agencies. they literally would spend company money to get a tiny dig at them. especially hololive, it literally lived rentfree in gunruns head. they were convinced hololive was over when they signed kson and nazuna.

- our previous talent manager got ghosted for 6 months by gunrun, told not to do any work for us and then got fired for "not doing anything". during this fiasco, we weren't able to get any assistance.

- MTD got reprimanded for being creepy to us. lol. got told not to message us privately. go figure.

- i have proof from other streamers attending their IRL parties that MTD would actively shit talk me after i left the company, to paint me in the worst light imaginabe. dunno why ur acting innocent on twitter pretending u werent aware of anything, can't wait to see all the shit that comes out about you because there's LOADS but those aren't my stories to tell.

thanks for reading and thanks to those who stuck around between then and now. thank you for giving me, silver and nyan the benefit of the doubt when we needed it most.

Also, Nyanners responded to her tweet with some extra drama about MowTenDoo.
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