General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Major von der Westfront]

cover got burned by her saying too much to japanese keemstar trying to clear it up instead of letting it blow over. they don't care about GFE, they care about their talent not being speds.

To further this point:

Cover saying they do not have any interest in the Personal lives and relationships of their talents:



The Termination announcement:

 

[No-Eyed Square Guy]

Here's the part I don't understand, as someone who doesn't really get idol culture
>attraction bait
>but you can't touch, doing so is obviously criminal
>but freak out if they have a relationship
how do you put this together? Clearly the idol is off limits and yet they also want her to take a vow of chasity?

In actual "idol culture" (which nobody who knows anything about it calls it), the idol/oshi relationship is a reciprocal pledge of devotion to the idol's career. Fans disdain all other girls and are overly demonstrative in their support, and talents have no "personal life" (visible to outsiders), only a job. It's a temporary arrangement of mutual encouragement that ends when her "journey" succeeds (she sings at Budokan or whatever) or she gives up on it to have a regular life (egg carton).

Westerners have a hard time understanding this because we're acculturated to thinking of entertainers and their fans as, approximately, class enemies—or at least as people totally unlike each other. This is extremely fucking weird (with few exceptions, entertainers are superfans) and suggests that our society is more rigidly hierarchical than Japan's.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

Westerners have a hard time understanding this because we're acculturated to thinking of entertainers and their fans as, approximately, class enemies—or at least as people totally unlike each other. This is extremely fucking weird (with few exceptions, entertainers are superfans) and suggests that our society is more rigidly hierarchical than Japan's.

what are you talking about? western entertainers and fans dont have a adversarial relationship. we have celebrities and celebrities do their thing and stay in the news cycle to keep their jobs rolling. fans eat it up because they like the celeb. idolshit is gay as fuck; who wants to like only 1 singer besides autistics?

 

[Ghostse]

Kson reveals more on why the talents didn't realize the red flags and how things got so bad at VShojo.

KSON is about the only tolerable vTumor because she's all into the "its just a fictional character" by doing shit like this with no-makeup face streams.
edit: Also doesn't pretend to be 12 years years old.

I think people simping camgirls is also cringe, but at least you have a concept of what you're actually simping for.

Basically all of those parasocial fucks that think that because a Vtuber is collabing with a male it means they're basically fucking each other behind scenes. maybe more unhinged than hat. Remember that meltdown over Rushia when it was revealed she was married for a year? Yeah, hose types.

I have a cousin who does stuff for Cable TV.
The cases of talent fucking talent on shoots is through the fucking roof. And its not just talent, its anyone related to the set who is trust worthy enough to not blab. She did locations scouts for a nationwide restaurant show and realized after the fact that part of her scout for one episode was finding a place for one of the executive producers to discretely fuck the new head of catering.
A lot of B-list talent, if they have an SO their SO generally accepts that if they're away for longer than a week they're hooking up on set or the relationship doesn't last very long.
To quote her from one of the cucks "Who cares if they're banging? Its just physical and it'll be over by next year".

So I generally believe the "if they are hanging out, somethings up" - if they aren't banging, the hangouts are being used to cover up some banging.

back when boybands where a thing you had the same clauses of no public relationships, because selling the phantasy (not necessarily "I can fuck her" but simply attention) is part of the package. if you go back further it was such a common thing they outright parodied it.

Effectively this. The difference between how Hollywood and SEA does it is that SEA puts PIs on talent to make sure they don't hook up and if anything looks sus, top brass will make moves to kill it right quick.

In Hollywood, the Studio might have "you can't make us look bad" contract with talent, but the PI instead of being a management tattletale is more of a fixer. Not discretely stalking, they are usually in the talent's entourage and will run the needed interference and make the arrangements needed to keep the relationship underwraps.

"How does this escape the paparazzi?" It often doesn't. But normies really think the Famous People/Paparazzi relationship is a lot more contentious than it is. If some guy gets a shot of something he's not supposed to get, it is generally bought up quietly and the photographer given options to get a few "candid shots" of something the studio does want "leaked".

 

[electronic elephant]

Doki apparently signed some bad sponsorship contracts in the past because she was too happy about getting offers at all, so she just signed them without paying attention to the details. This was after she got fired from Nijisanji. (At least she seems to have finally learned her lesson and has a lawyer now to help her.)
Timestamp 13:39

 

[ToroidalBoat]

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However it's done in the West or Japan, the way I like to see it is the VTuber as an entertainer, and of course it's possible to like more than one VTuber as an entertainer.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Here's the video this was taken from:

Spoiler: NSFW

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Here's a video from the Anathem Law YouTube channel:

[PreserveTube]

Spoiler: Local archive

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It's definitely the same dude. His voice sounds identical:
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Send this to Kino Casino or that parrot, sounds like something they cover

 

[X-avier cuck]

Here's the part I don't understand, as someone who doesn't really get idol culture
>attraction bait
>but you can't touch, doing so is obviously criminal
>but freak out if they have a relationship
how do you put this together? Clearly the idol is off limits and yet they also want her to take a vow of chasity?

It was already stated here, but back in the 1960s a French film called Find the Idol released in Japan, and became such a national sensation that it ended up creating a lifelong obsession that the country had with France, and simultaneously cause Japan to want to implement idols into their culture.

It was so ravenous that many down on their luck French singers would often go to Japan where they would find major success just because they were French.

From there idols were basically used as a form of escapism or symbols of Hope, and in Japan whenever you do have a career that is regarded highly you are expected to perform that role to the utmost degree least you risk being looked down upon.

Pretty messed up and kind of extends beyond just idols because it happens with Mangaka, politicians, and even voice actors

 

[Señora Airi]

Watch Nasa
Or else

 

[Molag Bal]

So I generally believe the "if they are hanging out, somethings up" - if they aren't banging, the hangouts are being used to cover up some banging.

Wait, so all those times when people were meme-ing about this or that vtuber banging because they met irl, they actually WERE banging? I thought this was just jokes and fans jumping to conclusions. I guess that means Vedal did fuck all the neuroverse girls and not just one, seeing as he's 6'4.

and in Japan whenever you do have a career that is regarded highly you are expected to perform that role to the utmost degree least you risk being looked down upon.

I don't see how this is a bad thing, in fact I think this should be the standard worldwide for every industry. If you land a position at the top of an industry, and you are not performing at a rate that warrants that kind of salary, why should you be allowed to rest on your laurels as opposed to being replaced by someone who will work harder? We don't extend that kind of courtesy to basic wagies, why should we for managers and top earners?

 

[Disastrously Dumb]

LuminusRed, a Canadian ASMR trans vtuber moaning to Cantarella, Wuthering Waves character showcase.
LuminusRed did the same-ish on the Zani trailer aswell.

 

[Señora Airi]

Enjoy the greentext read by Minna

 

[Bob's Fuckass Head]

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LuminusRed, a Canadian ASMR trans vtuber moaning to Cantarella, Wuthering Waves character showcase.
LuminusRed did the same-ish on the Zani trailer aswell.

God the tranny vtubers are consistently just the worst. Their mic audio is always awful because of all the layers of computer makeup they pile on to try and hide their MAN voices, and their bathtub HRT-rotted spongiform brains are only capable of interacting with the world on that level of "UM!?" we see in the above video.

I avoid them as much as possible, and I deserve hats for the level of anger I feel after watching about 30 seconds of that clip. I knew I'd hate it, and I clicked anyway.

 

[Disastrously Dumb]

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

God the tranny vtubers are consistently just the worst. Their mic audio is always awful because of all the layers of computer makeup they pile on to try and hide their MAN voices

It is kind of funny that the joke about all vtubers being men with voice changers is still so popular when the actual times tranny vtubers show up you can almost instantaneously clock them.

There's so many vocal tics and aberrations from men trying to sound like women that it's actually incredibly easy to pick them out, even through vocal training or filters.

 

[SquareNerd]

 

[Retarded Fat Autist]

why are all hamsters like this

 

[Pixy]

why are all hamsters like this

They haven't been sufficiently microwaved.

 

[whatsupwthat]

KSON is about the only tolerable vTumor because she's all into the "its just a fictional character" by doing shit like this with no-makeup face streams.

If the only tolerable VTuber for you is one who constantly fleshstreams, then maybe VTubing just isn't for you. No need to be retarded about it though.

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LuminusRed, a Canadian ASMR trans vtuber moaning to Cantarella, Wuthering Waves character showcase.
LuminusRed did the same-ish on the Zani trailer aswell.

Holy fuck he sounds exactly like this dude to me:

 

[no-exit]

I don't see how this is a bad thing, in fact I think this should be the standard worldwide for every industry. If you land a position at the top of an industry, and you are not performing at a rate that warrants that kind of salary, why should you be allowed to rest on your laurels as opposed to being replaced by someone who will work harder? We don't extend that kind of courtesy to basic wagies, why should we for managers and top earners?

Its considered bad and strange to western standards because Japanese corporate work culture (i.e. salarymen) is pretty much feudal. They hire large batches of fresh grads with the expectation of "lifetime employment". Youre expected to be absolutely loyal to your employer. For example, even if the work day is over, if your manager hasn't left, you can't really leave. These companies only promote from within and by seniority. Of course you're evaluated by performance, but you're also expected to uphold that infamous Japanese conformity/consensus, even after hours. If you put in your notice to quit, you'll be harassed, inteminated etc. the younger generation has started to pay people to quit for them, they deal with the paperwork, property, and the harassment. "Overwork death" is a legitimate public health issue.