Mega Rad Gun Thread

[WhoBusTank69]

The hand fit line is such bullshit. Children can shoot full sized handguns fine. If you have more room for your support hand, it’s actually an advantage.

It's better to buy something you like so you're motivated to practice with it. He can buy a proper handcannon later when he's hooked on huffing the fumes at the range.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Or why the system is fragile. Or why 11Bs aren't trained in marksmanship..

The sight regularly fails on the M7 and displays a Red screen of Death on the reticle.

11bs and the like are NOT trained on marksmanship beyond "this is the sight, this is how it works, let's try it out a bit every so often"

They just aren't. The ammo budget isn't there, the training isn't setup for it, and everyone that isn't in Infantry is getting even less training.

Trigger control, breathe control, and the like either aren't covered or are covered in a very cursory manner.

Which is why expecting every like infantryman to get hits at 400+ yards with a rifle that weighs 12+lbs firing that's essentially a .300 Win mag or a .270 Weatherby Mag from a 13 inch barrel was and remains fucking retarded.

https://open.substack.com/pub/duncanlmcculloch/p/the-us-armys-next-generation-squad?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=17wh90

Enjoy. This guy was in both the Army and the Marines. The sight also emits an IR aiming laser and that is visible to anyone with any night vision system made in the last few decades.

Well, the discussion was about modern military situations, my man. I agree with you, I just think you might have misunderstood the context of why people were saying that the 1911 was obsolete. I definitely think that the 1911 and 45 ACP have a place in any civilian, police, militia, security, or rebel armory. I just don't think they are a good fit for a modern military that has long standardized around 9mm, and increased capacity for all firearms

Yep. A pistol the size of a 1911 maxing out at 8-9 shots is ridiculous in 2025.

A similarly sized 9mm double stack is 16-19 shots these days, and a 9mm compact is 15 shots.

Also, polymer frames are so cheap and easy to make vs steel or aluminum isn't not even funny. Even with steel reinforcements they cheaper than dirt.

USSOCOM gets to use essentially whatever small arms that strikes their fancy, so some SOF guys getting Gucci hand fitted and tested 1911s or 2011s makes perfect sense. They also have retarded budgets for guns and shoot more in a year than some guys in the regular Army/Marines shoot in their entire service contracts.

 

[Taser Confetti]

A similarly sized 9mm double stack is 16-19 shots these days, and a 9mm compact is 15 shots.

Calling a G19 "compact" is copium at it's finest. The G19 is a duty sized firearm that some people opt to carry after making wardrobe modifications.

Pocket rockets like the P365 (lol you're gonna die) and Hellcat are absolute dogshit to shoot and 90 plus percent of their owners will never put more than 50-100rds through them.

 

[Boney]

Dawg, you are confusing a raw recruit with a dude who's actually put in time and done proper exercises.

Feels fuckint bizarre defending Army marksmanship coming from the crayon munching side but honestly our dudes, and most of NATO aren't conscript tier retards.

 

[DOOMSlayer]

The M1A is not made by HS Produkt.
The XD, Echelon, Hellcat, VHS, and Kuna are.
You're complaining about the US factory in Illinois if you think the m1a rifles suck.
HS doesn't outsource their parts like SIG does.

Even then not all of these are winners. Hellcats are mid and XDs are dogshit. Echelons are solid though.

 

[AGPinochet]

So much for even illiterate dirt farmers can keep them running meme.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1m8mrb7/cambodian_soldiers_engage_thai_forces_along_the/

That's a Type 81

Oh it gets even better:

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Colt just filed a patent on a new striker fired pistol. It looks like a P-10C. The CZ overlords must of greenlit a P-10C knockoff.

This is said to be a leaked image of at least a prototype version of that pistol from either SHOT 2024 or 2025


DeLisle in 8.6 Blackout


Strategic Sciences Suppressors in use with Canadian SF. These things are really ugly, but if they look like that there has to be a reason.



Ex Keltec Engineer Tobias Obermeit is making progress on his .22 belt fed


Anti Drone DP-27


Phoenix Arms .22 with custom suppressor



.450 SBR with underbarrel turkshit on a Lockhart Tactical mount


BAR that I think was modified to work as a Zepplin gun


Painted RPL-20's




GunCAD dev S3 has some new creations
First a 2 piece set up that turns an M249S into an open bolt MG


And a Trip design to allow Sig Saar MCX/MPX to work with Super Safeties


Data on Plan B manufacturers and their products





Australian Automatic Arms "Tasmanian Devil". Looks like an AR-18 someone put a forward charging handle on. No idea if short stroke or long stroke


Say what you want about GBRS and their morals (or lack there of) but this video is bordering on pornographic

I continue to be amazed by the eccentricities of Suppressor gas dynamics. I recently learned that one of the more popular AK suppressors on thenmarket, the Resilient Putnik, vents directly from the blast chamber into a void between the internal core and external wall that is open to the atmosphere with no baffles to speak of, despite this it still functions as a suppressor

 

[PFM]

11bs and the like are NOT trained on marksmanship beyond "this is the sight, this is how it works, let's try it out a bit every so often

Unless something has changed in the last 20 years (it definitely could have) this is horse shit

 

[Biggest Bubba]

Good news, finally got the mystery bubba'd mosin out to the range and it fucking worked perfectly. 100 rounds no problems. Had people asking me WTF it was lol and even let a few shoot it. Sends massive fire balls out the front like all good m44s should.

 

[Boney]

Unless something has changed in the last 20 years (it definitely could have) this is horse shit

It is in fact horse shit.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

Even then not all of these are winners. Hellcats are mid and XDs are dogshit. Echelons are solid though.

My experience with my XD compared to a Glock 19 has been it has a slightly different trigger and the finish isn't as impressive. But everything else about it is fine. I can shoot my Glock and XD with the same accuracy, so unless it falls apart sometime soon or something it was a steal for less than 400 bucks (before all the tax bs). And that is the original model, not the revision. I can't speak on the hellcat.

I don't think the military of Croatia would use HS Produkt weapons if they weren't any good. From what I've heard the glock just edges it out with malfunctions and part longevity at 18k rounds or something, whatever the stress test was.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

It's better to buy something you like so you're motivated to practice with it. He can buy a proper handcannon later when he's hooked on huffing the fumes at the range.

Problem with that theory is when you hate shooting your pocket rocket, it may just make you not want to shoot.

Calling a G19 "compact" is copium at its finest. The G19 is a duty sized firearm that some people opt to carry after making wardrobe modifications.

Pocket rockets like the P365 (lol you're gonna die) and Hellcat are absolute dogshit to shoot and 90 plus percent of their owners will never put more than 50-100rds through them.

The G19 is a very size efficient design, and very easy to conceal. I don’t need to “dress around the gun” with a 19.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

Problem with that theory is when you hate shooting your pocket rocket, it may just make you not want to shoot.

The only way a grown man dislikes shooting a gun is if he's not wearing hearing protection and he's being laughed at. A Glock 43 is fine when it comes to recoil.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

It is in fact horse shit.

@PFM

Ah so that's why the Army wants a $12,000 sight to make Joe's shoot better instead of giving them more ammunition to train with and why every single Army infantryman has a Marksman badge at the minimum and why every Marine qualifies as Expert on a flat range with range indicators

Top tier marksmanship training right there.

Average Joes are not getting hits past 300 meters reliably

"let’s examine the US Army’s fairly recent rifle qualification test. With human torso-sized pop-up targets positioned 25 to 300 meters away from the shooter, inside the maximum point-blank range of 5.56, range estimation wasn’t a factor. And yet, how well did the Army’s Soldiers score? Generally, not well."

https://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Documents/Marksmanship/ARM_FY21-2.pdf

This document is from 2021 and it's the US army Admitting that their marksmanship training is on decline.

"Let’s examine the US Marine Corps’ fairly recent rifle qualification. Firing at known distances of 200, 300, and 500 yards, the shooters benefited from range flags hanging everywhere, allowing the use of formulas like these to solve wind speed and direction. Despite external ballistics barely being a factor, qualifying as a Marksman was difficult, let alone Expert"

"Those were flat ranges, shooters weren’t exhausted or stressed, targets were easy to find, fully exposed, weren’t moving, and weren’t shooting back either. And yet reliable hits were difficult to achieve inside 300 meters, let alone 600 meters. Meaning, that despite the laser-like trajectory of the heavy-recoiling 6.8x51 cartridge and the features of the Fire Control Optic, despite its hefty price tag, NGSW is not going to buy more hits, because the NGSW program has no real answers to aid the fundamentals of marksmanship."

Oh and remember, M7 is only for 101st Airborne or better tier units. They need that $12,000 sight you see.

Meanwhile USSOCOM is fine with URGI, piston driven rifles with barrels up to 16 inches in 5.56mm and then they need to go further it's a DMR in 6.5mm CM or a dedicated sniper rifle in the same or .300 win mag or .338 LM

Or a machine gun.

 

[PFM]

The G19 is a very size efficient design, and very easy to conceal. I don’t need to “dress around the gun” with a 19.

If I'm wearing a form fitted shirt there is definitely some printing, but I've learned to stop giving too much of a shit, even at work.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

The idea of a handgun being obsolete is funny, because its quite clear that its parts and materials that go obsolete.
Is the 1911 considered obsolete? or is it single stack magazines?
Is the 1911 considered obsolete? or is it polymer frames saving 10-20 ounces.
Is the 1911 considered obsolete? or is it hammer fired mechanisms?

Good enough to still be around in the 41st millennium as a stub gun

 

[S.C.U.D.]

I thought the Desert Eagle was the official pistol of Kiwi Farms.
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He did mention concealability, which could be a tiny problem I guess.

Not a problem at all actually.


Not my pictures by the way, got these off /k/ ages ago.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

If I'm wearing a form fitted shirt there is definitely some printing, but I've learned to stop giving too much of a shit, even at work.

Not a problem at all actually.

With dark/patterned clothing and no fidgeting you can carry something big. Like I said before, people who don't know won't know and people who do know don't care.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

The only way a grown man dislikes shooting a gun is if he's not wearing hearing protection and he's being laughed at. A Glock 43 is fine when it comes to recoil.

I dislike shooting small pistols. If you offered me free ammo but I had to shoot it through a 43 I would pass.

 

[The Dude]

It is in fact horse shit.

Yep. I never got to serve, but I've had a lot of people in my life who did. America has a military full of what are considered "professional soldiers". It's an all-volunteer force, and regardless of if you're a cook, a mechanic in the motor pool, a helo pilot, or a USSFOD-DELTA operator, everyone goes through the same boot camp. Everyone learns how to proficiently shoot and maintain a rifle. Everyone learns the basics of combat. Because you may be just a rear echelon motherfucker cooking chow or pushing papers for some colonel, but if a real shooting war kicks off and you get sent overseas the battle lines might shift. What once was safely behind friendly lines yesterday might suddenly be behind enemy lines today and now instead of wrenching on a Deuce and a Half, you're fighting to drive back the enemy with every other REMF who is part of the command post or base you're working out of. And it's not just the Army and Marines who teach basic combat skills and marksmanship to everyone in boot camp, but the Navy and Air Force as well. Then after boot camp, if you go into a combat MOS, then you move onto the more advanced combat training.

 

[Foley]

Yep. I never got to serve, but I've had a lot of people in my life who did. America has a military full of what are considered "professional soldiers". It's an all-volunteer force, and regardless of if you're a cook, a mechanic in the motor pool, a helo pilot, or a USSFOD-DELTA operator, everyone goes through the same boot camp. Everyone learns how to proficiently shoot and maintain a rifle. Everyone learns the basics of combat. Because you may be just a rear echelon motherfucker cooking chow or pushing papers for some colonel, but if a real shooting war kicks off and you get sent overseas the battle lines might shift. What once was safely behind friendly lines yesterday might suddenly be behind enemy lines today and now instead of wrenching on a Deuce and a Half, you're fighting to drive back the enemy with every other REMF who is part of the command post or base you're working out of. And it's not just the Army and Marines who teach basic combat skills and marksmanship to everyone in boot camp, but the Navy and Air Force as well. Then after boot camp, if you go into a combat MOS, then you move onto the more advanced combat training.

Yeah well, I've bolded the important part. Shooting proficiently, doesn't mean that you are a good shooter. And you can stretch this out to police as well. The vast majority of people who use firearms as tools in their duty, don't get enough training with it. I would argue that with most militaries and police forces, the standard of "proficiency" is way too low, and people are not good shots. They would need more training to be actually effective with their firearm. It then comes back to what is really necessary and important. For those grunts to know how to shoot well, or how to shoot good enough but also manouver, communicate, use their other equipment, survive in field conditions etc...

Once again, this video from Henry is spot on: