Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

[The Doom Slayer]

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[God of Nothing]

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they would fuck it up
you wouldn't be able to kiss nearly every female quest giver you come across

 

[DavidS877]

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Mass Effect 5?
Would have been nice to have a Mass Effect 4 or a Dragon Age 4.
Oh well.

 

[LazyLizard]

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good, they would 100% fuck it up and change the lore to fit veilguard.

 

[Miller]

Are these all the writers just for Veilguard? Why the hell are there so many? No wonder the story is dogshit that goes nowhere and the writing is absolute ass, too many cooks in the kitchen.

There's the lead writer and then the others who write the missions or are assigned to a character.

 

[Chapalapachapa]

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they would fuck over origins; the only good product in the entire fucking ip

 

[Mola Ram]

they would fuck over origins; the only good product in the entire fucking ip

I actually think the "only good product" part is the reason for upper management's resistance to a remaster. What's the point of doing a "trilogy" remaster when part 2 is a rushed mess and part 3 is a deeply flawed repurposed MMO whose reputation has cratered over the years? And this isn't even getting to the worst part, which is this alleged "trilogy" leads up to what is probably the worst denouement in the company's history.

 

[Observotron]

In response to the "canned Origins remake" (or whatever it was suppossed to be), I've got two words.

No thanks.

And im saying this as someone who would probably rank DAO in my top 10 rpgs.

I have absolutely zero confidence that the grim, dark world and lore would remain untouched. It's painfully apparent that DAO was a mistake, with every game in the franchise after forsaking almost everything that made DAO good.

Coupled with a "fanbase" of tourists who only find joy in moralfagging about how "only immature edgelords like DAO" , I can't say that im sad that the franchise is most likely done.

Maybe in a decade or so, when the current gaming landscape has changed or if the rights to the franchise are sold off, we can get a decent reboot - but i don't see it happening anytime in the immediate future.

 

[StacticShock]

I actually think the "only good product" part is the reason for upper management's resistance to a remaster. What's the point of doing a "trilogy" remaster when part 2 is a rushed mess and part 3 is a deeply flawed repurposed MMO whose reputation has cratered over the years? And this isn't even getting to the worst part, which is this alleged "trilogy" leads up to what is probably the worst denouement in the company's history.

if they do a reverse DEI then on 3 and get whatever the fuck they have left in the cutting floor for 2, which should be alot.
also make the female characters fuckable, i was going to mention outside isabella but not even her waifufaggot writer could stop the team from hitting her with a ugly stick on veilguard, fucking lol.

 

[Chapalapachapa]

im mean sure remake origins 1-1 with current gen and leave the rest as it was
1- sell it for 50 bucks
2.- dont fuck up the rest.

the fact that a behemont like EA doesnt want to do this speak ill of the IP. Hell even fucking konami is getting back to gaming

 

[Janusz z Gliwic]

It's painfully apparent that DAO was a mistake, with every game in the franchise after forsaking almost everything that made DAO good.

I wouldn't call DAO a mistake, it and the first Mass Effect were the culmination of old BioWare, the high point of their creativity. Next games were made after studio's culture and focus changed and, what I think is often overlooked, people started leaving.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

DAO was the last game BioWare made before they sold themselves to EA, which happened at the tail end of Origins' development, with EA mostly being involved with the marketing and console ports.

 

[Jace on ice]

im mean sure remake origins 1-1 with current gen and leave the rest as it was
1- sell it for 50 bucks
2.- dont fuck up the rest.

the fact that a behemont like EA doesnt want to do this speak ill of the IP. Hell even fucking konami is getting back to gaming

Origins was produced using the Eclipse Engine which was depreciated around 2011.

I doubt very much any documentation or assets for it exists anymore so an Origins remake would have to be build from scratch for Frosbite.

That would be enormously expensive and EA would never greenlight such a project.

 

[Observotron]

I wouldn't call DAO a mistake, it and the first Mass Effect were the culmination of old BioWare, the high point of their creativity. Next games were made after studio's culture and focus changed and, what I think is often overlooked, people started leaving.

Im not sure if I agree with that.

In terms of gameplay and RPG elements, sure, but I was mostly referencing the overall grim, dark, and mature tone of the world and story.

With the exception of Anthem, DAV, and Jade Empire (I want to go back and try it, couldn't get it to run last time I tried) Ive played every Bioware game, and nothing comes close. I would say the closest is probably BG2 or ME2, and even those don't come close in my opinion.

Baldurs Gate was a preexisting IP, and even then DnD is relatively lighter tone. Mass Effect also started off much more light hearted then what it eventually became (not that it was super cheery, but it originally had a much more Star Trek/Wars vibe than 2 and 3 had).

Dragon Age on the other hand was a uniquely bleak setting that only got more and more infantilized with each entry.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I have seen a lot of people claiming that gaming is "changing", with games like Veilguard failing as "proof" for that, but I have to say that I don't think Veilguard (or any other progressive propaganda flop) has actually had any meaningful effect on the discourse or gaming culture as a whole. Almost every video I have seen on Youtube shitting on the game actively avoids addressing the tranny, faggot, ugly bitch problem that is everpresent throughout the game. Almost nobody is willing to point out that nobody likes this fetishistic, anti normal man propaganda crammed into absolutely everything, and that no amount of "good writing" or fun gameplay could outweigh a dialogue heavy game that's all about trannies, fags, and ugly bitches playing around in a universe painted with clown barf. At best, I see a little bit of discourse about how "woke" is failing in AAA gaming, and this game is often cited as an example, but all of the analyses fail completely to define what "woke" is, who is pushing it, why it's there, or why it's bad. It's just a vague gesturing towards unpopular games to avoid being labelled an ist, ism, or phobia.

Most recent example of an utterly empty critique is this:

Dude has a roughly 8 and a half minute segment about the character creator, and at no point does he talk about the tranny type A, tranny type B lunacy, nor does he talk about how hideous the bitches are. Just some milquetoast complaints about the qunari looking too soft. When even the critics are too pussy to point out the actual problems in gaming, I do not foresee gaming improving in any meaningful fashion any time soon. The video is 3 hours, 44 minutes, and yet he did not spare half a minute to even acknowledge that part of the character creator. All I can ask at that point is: why bother? I am at the point that if any critic actively ignores progressive propaganda, I genuinely do not see any value to their critique, because I will wonder what other severe problems with the entertainment property they are trying to conceal and enable.

I guarantee Mass Effect 5 will make Inquisition, Andromeda, and Veilguard look like high cinema in comparison. No lessons were learned, virtually no critics had the balls to call out the actual problems with Bioware's most recent offering, and nobody who was responsible for this massive failure has actually been held meaningfully accountable.

 

[Observotron]

@Fount of BadSpeak (can't quote your post for some reason)

That youtuber is the definition of media illiterate liberal "nice guy".

In his Mass Effect 2 video he criticizes the paragon hug during Tali's loyalty mission as being "creepy" because you hug a woman without her consent, ignoring the fact that Tali is an extremely close friend to Shepard and a potential love interest that is going through an emotionally taxing experience.

How to say "Ive never had close female friends irl' without saying it.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

@Fount of BadSpeak (can't quote your post for some reason)

That youtuber is the definition of media illiterate liberal "nice guy".

In his Mass Effect 2 video he criticizes the paragon hug during Tali's loyalty mission as being "creepy" because you hug a woman without her consent, ignoring the fact that Tali is an extremely close friend to Shepard and a potential love interest that is going through an emotionally taxing experience.

How to say "Ive never had close female friends irl' without saying it.

That is kind of my point though; the critics are worthless, but they are the only ones out there. Nothing meaningful is actually being critiqued, nobody is talking about why these games actually failed, and nobody is representing what gamers actually think and want. It's utterly fucking bizarre. Movie critics are awash with people pointing out the blatant progressive propaganda and how it destroys entertainment, but in gaming it's practically nonexistent. Why is gaming critique uniquely full of smooth brained NPCs who prop up current thing and refuse to actually critically engage with gaming in any capacity, when the actually gamers are quite openly opposed to the propaganda that is replete throughout gaming today?

If even the critics are terrified of pointing out why gaming is dying, then there really is no hope for it to improve at all.

 

[Observotron]

That is kind of my point though; the critics are worthless, but they are the only ones out there. Nothing meaningful is actually being critiqued, nobody is talking about why these games actually failed, and nobody is representing what gamers actually think and want. It's utterly fucking bizarre. Movie critics are awash with people pointing out the blatant progressive propaganda and how it destroys entertainment, but in gaming it's practically nonexistent. Why is gaming critique uniquely full of smooth brained NPCs who prop up current thing and refuse to actually critically engage with gaming in any capacity, when the actually gamers are quite openly opposed to the propaganda that is replete throughout gaming today?

If even the critics are terrified of pointing out why gaming is dying, then there really is no hope for it to improve at all.

I think there's a couple of reasons.

1. Gaming is by far more infested than any other industry with this propaganda. I think it has to do with it being an interactive medium. With a book, movie, or TV show, you go through it and that's it. You don't get to make your character or interact with the world in anyway outside of what the creators intended. Additionally, you needn't look any further than the speedrunning scene to see how trooned out it is. This extends to the actual developers as well. Where do you think companies hire from?

2. While it's not applicable to all games, the live service industry has a stranglehold on what its user base can do and say. Don't like gays in your game? Well, you're banned and lose any investment you made in the game if you say anything. This also extends to mainstream gaming communities (IE reddit).

3. Games still aren't taken seriously as a medium. Sure, game companies will invest Billions of dollars in development costs and marketing, and developers/fans will shout that "games are art", but at the end of the day they are, and always will be, a way to get money from kids.

4. There's tons of influencers who honestly don't see an issue with the inclusion of ultra-liberal ideals and even some who call for its inclusion. They'll strawman and say "it doesn't matter" (despite it mattering enough to add dumb shit to games), and their user base of children grow up thinking the same way. To the average person, they'll see a youtuber like the one you linked, see he has 100's of thousands of subs, creates massive videos, and speaks with confidence. As a result, many people, at surface value, will see people like him as a being "smart/right".

5. The people who are chronically online don't represent the real world, and as a result live in a bubble where they believe that "the chuds" are the one who are wrong and get asspats for calling it out.

6. There's no real alternative other than accepting it or just not playing the newest games.

7. The general Progressive mindset of "old is bad, new is good".

8. Gamers/Gaming circles are extremely vicious/cliquey. Anyone who doesn't fall in line is forced out, labeled a Nazi, and blacklisted from the industry.

9. Due to a combination of all of the above, "gamers" have the most parasocial relationship with their hobby than anyone else.

It's unfortunate, but there's a not-so-small percentage of gaming hobbyists who are chronically online and don't want to change that. The world to them is unironically, 100% what they read on forums, see in youtube videos, and talk about in heavily curated discords. The "chuds" are considered dangerous, toxic, incapable of love, and deserving of death. You may think I'm kidding, but people unironically believe this.

As a result, people like The Salt Factory are unchallenged in their skin-deep analysis' when they avoid very real criticisms that they would rather not acknowledge. Agreeing that a character like Taash, and similar themes, may have contributed to the game's failure pokes a hole in the bubble they live in, and the power they have. It makes them uncomfortable, so no matter how true it is (whether they agree or not), it's more convenient to ignore it and only focus on what they deem "important".

 

[Miller]

I guarantee Mass Effect 5 will make Inquisition, Andromeda, and Veilguard look like high cinema in comparison. No lessons were learned, virtually no critics had the balls to call out the actual problems with Bioware's most recent offering, and nobody who was responsible for this massive failure has actually been held meaningfully accountable.

I agree, 100%. They keep doubling down on their progressive bullshit. They will never make a Mass Effect game as good as the first one.

 

[LazyLizard]

That youtuber is the definition of media illiterate liberal "nice guy".

In his Mass Effect 2 video he criticizes the paragon hug during Tali's loyalty mission as being "creepy" because you hug a woman without her consent, ignoring the fact that Tali is an extremely close friend to Shepard and a potential love interest that is going through an emotionally taxing experience.

How to say "Ive never had close female friends irl' without saying it.

"whoa dude wtf, why would you hug a woman without signing a 12 page hugging contract? this is literally rape"