Silent Hill

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LightDragonman1 said:
Check out what Gamespot says about f’s feminist messages.

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>makes claims of content creators gooning to scarecrows and other misogyny
>provides no evidence of such claims and expects us to believe them
>but also provides links to other sources that make her look right

What did you mean by this, Kylie Rodriguez-Cayro?

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I guess it's true when they say write what you know. :story:
 
Scarthew said:
Are you implying you got lost in shattered memories? Theyre all straight lines...
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I just finished it after finally getting a new PSP battery. I think a better title would be Schizophrenia Simulator. I actually enjoyed it a lot. I like really weird game concepts. At least Harry tries to save Lisa this time instead of just shutting the door behind her and letting her scream. If you use the music box in her bathroom you get a skull ring called Infinite Jest. It's inscribed "Ophelia". I thought that was neat. She's like the Richard Aiken of Silent Hill. Completely unsavable no matter what.

The chase portions aren't that bad. Just look on the map and then veer in that general direction. Eventually you'll come to the end. I do think it's annoying though. You can't kill the monsters and you can't hold extra flairs. The flairs come in handy on the home stretch or in that portion where you need to take three photos.

There's a creepy part in the whore house where there's an echo of a prostitute crying because a guy hit her. He couldn't help himself because with the pigtail wig she reminded him of his daughter. Later in the school parking lot there's an echo of the same guy asking his daughter if she had her lunch and was ready for school as well as lamenting that she changed her hairstyle because he liked her pigtails. It might be the single most creepy thing in the game because you know what's going on without anything else needing to be said.
 
Dysnomia said:
At least Harry tries to save Lisa this time instead of just shutting the door behind her and letting her scream.
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Save what, she's a Revenant, and even then just a monster that thinks and believes she's Lisa, she can't even exist outside of the unreality of the Otherworld, was Harry, a completely normal man supposed to pull her out of the skien of the nightmareworld with just sheer force of will and put her in a real body and make her have an actual Soul?
 
Zenos Yae Viator said:
Save what, she's a Revenant, and even then just a monster that thinks and believes she's Lisa, she can't even exist outside of the unreality of the Otherworld, was Harry, a completely normal man supposed to pull her out of the skien of the nightmareworld with just sheer force of will and put her in a real body and make her have an actual Soul?
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It's the principal of the thing I guess. Remember at this point in Shattered Memories Harry has no idea he's dead and just a memory in Cheryl's mind. Maybe that's the difference.

In the original game I didn't really interpret Lisa as dead until she said she hadn't realised it yet herself. I found that really sad. I don't see why having sympathy for her doesn't make sense in that regard. Was I supposed to know the whole time?

Maniacal Foreigner said:
Every day I'm astounded how little people actually understand Silent Hill.
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So I skipped SH in the 90s for RE. I didn't play it until I found an old copy at my grandparents house and honestly didn't know much about it. That was a year or two ago. I found it to be a bit of a mess but still good. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to understand. I guess I just didn't see things that way.

Tell me how it's supposed to be understood. There's a nightmare and there's reality. Maybe my thinking isn't black and white enough to just coast through without getting distracted by some scenes or references. Like the ring. I get that it's probably a "she dies anyway" joke. That's why I wasn't expecting anything but death when she calls Harry back.
 
Dysnomia said:
Tell me how it's supposed to be understood. There's a nightmare and there's reality. Maybe my thinking isn't black and white enough to just coast through without getting distracted by some scenes or references. Like the ring. I get that it's probably a "she dies anyway" joke. That's why I wasn't expecting anything but death when she calls Harry back.
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Shattered memories has nothing to do with SH1. It's an alternate dimension, any similarities are just references.

Lisa in SH1 is just manifested from Alessa's menory, she died long ago, all the happenings in that game come from Alesssa's mind and Lisa was Alessa's nurse, the only person who was ever nice to her. When Lisa realizes the truth she turns into a monster.
 
Dysnomia said:
It's the principal of the thing I guess.
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Imagine it from Harry's perspective, he's fought at least a dozen fucking Nurse-beings and suddenly the one Nurse he thought was normal tells him outright she's fuckin DEAD and has been DEAD for who knows how long (years?) and starts bleeding from all orfices, begging for his touch.
he's also currently in a jumbled otherworld Hell world filled with shit that would make 90% of people freeze in pure terror, he clearly feels bad about running from her, but what exactly could be done here?
she clearly unravels after that and just attacks her killer .
 
So I know I'm late, but what's the thoughts on Silent Hill F?

I watched a few minutes of Markiplier's playthru out of boredom, and even 10 minutes in the game is giving me "Japanese setting but clearly written by western writers" vibes.

Also "Hmmm a girl named Junko whose head you never see." Even Markiplier is calling that one.

Of course for some of us the name "Junko" just makes us wonder when the Class Trial will begin.
 
skykiii said:
So I know I'm late, but what's the thoughts on Silent Hill F?

I watched a few minutes of Markiplier's playthru out of boredom, and even 10 minutes in the game is giving me "Japanese setting but clearly written by western writers" vibes.

Also "Hmmm a girl named Junko whose head you never see." Even Markiplier is calling that one.

Of course for some of us the name "Junko" just makes us wonder when the Class Trial will begin.
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Junko is an extremely fucking common name in Japan.

anyways, scroll back a few pages, much autistic arguing happened, its absolutely written by a Jap and a moderately famous Jap writer as is, it has plenty of issues but is far better put together than the handful of previous "not" Team Silent games.
The biggest issues are, no Otherworld (not really), not Set in Silent Hill (irrelevant, basically half the OG games weren't either) and Hinako is an annoying selfish bitch, which misses the framing of the game, IE, none of her annoying selfish actions occured in reality

I like alot of the visuals, character models are pretty good, and the combat is initially good, but it becomes a fucking marathon of combat encounters near the end, but hey, resources are scarce (kinda.
but in the end its missing some key component that would make it fit in with the original series, its still missing LESS than Homecoming and Downpour, but missing it is, potentially a sign of recovery for this blighted franchise? who knows.

In other news, I picked up Tormented Souls 2, which is a weird Wombo-combo of old Silent HIll and Old Resident evil, its a bit janky, but its got the Oldschool Sh1 and 2 camera angles and lots of other motifs and themeings of both Resident Evil and Silent hill, weirdly, it might be the most Silent Hill of all the spiritual successors or non-TS games I've ever played.
 
Four parts into Markiplier's playthru now. To be honest, I think I would enjoy playing this, I just don't think my budget NUC could run it.

But yeah, I have to agree with what seems to be the most common consensus--I keep forgetting this is a Silent Hill game.

This being Ryukishi though, I want to keep my optimism in check.

Here's a stupid question: Has there ever been a Silent Hill game that actually took place on a hill or mountain? Cuz all the ones I know seem to be on flat, level terrain (not counting buildings since those are man-made).

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Okay, so I watched seven parts of Markiplier's let's play, then watched the Fully Ramblomatic and Phelous reviews.

And honestly... facepalming.

So, already I am known to have mixed feelings on Silent Hill because its the series that practically popularized the bullshit horror concept of "nothing is really going on, its just the character is emotional and everything is an extrapolation of their feewings!"

But holy crap, the whole game is basically just "a girl is conflicted about marriage, and may or may not have been on drugs the whole time?"

At least James Sunderland actually killed someone and had something to feel bad about.

Fuck this game. Fuck this series.

I've said this before too and I stand by it: Goosebumps is a better horror series. Because the ghost next door was real. Horrorland was real. Slappy the dummy was real. They weren't just some bullshit extrapolation or a metaphor for puberty or whatever. Shit. Was. Actually. Happening.
 
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skykiii said:
So, already I am known to have mixed feelings on Silent Hill because its the series that practically popularized the bullshit horror concept of "nothing is really going on, its just the character is emotional and everything is an extrapolation of their feewings!"
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well, for one thing, everything in every good Silent Hill game is really happening, James IS fighting monsters, but they are monsters only he can see, but they are there, He fights the Abstract Daddy for Angela which is her monster(s), clearly its just the power around the town using the same method Alessa did to make monsters.

for this game, it is in her head, sort of, White Claudia, the drug she is taking, lets one touch the spirit realm, so the Fox God shit is all real, and she isn't supposed to "see" that shit, and because she's touched it, her Shadow Self is leaking that shit into her dream realm, which are all the monsters.
so while alot of this is internal conflicts for Hinako and Shadow Hinako, there are actual supernatural elements in play, they just never touch conscience reality.
 
skykiii said:
Here's a stupid question: Has there ever been a Silent Hill game that actually took place on a hill or mountain? Cuz all the ones I know seem to be on flat, level terrain (not counting buildings since those are man-made).
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Silent hill is in the mountains, we've seen on both sides how you go over a mountain to get into town both at the start of sh1's opening cutscene where Harry enters from the northeast and walking down the cliff in sh2 on the south side. So its more like a valley town nestled between mountains.
 
I watched a playthrough of Silent Hill f from Joseph Anderson, a guy that did a full read-through of Umineko and he managed to deduce the ShKanon thing by like Episode 2. His personality kind of annoys me but he's very media-literate so his insights on things are usually interesting.
 
Silent Hill f is not just not a Silent Hill game, it's a woke POS as well.
As degenerate as Synthetic Man might be, he's absolutelly right about how bad this game is.
 
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