AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

Retarded Weeb said:
If you think about, if people are okay with others writing fanfiction that uses someone else's characters and ideas, then having an AI make up some characters and plot ideas for you to write a story around should be fair game, it's close to the same thing. The best you can complain about is that it's not "fair" that the latter can still own full copyright of their story, but the former can't.
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Honestly my biggest problem is almost everyone who has complained to me about it just does it so damn smugly.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
hey @Retarded Weeb

How did being against generative AI become so widespread among the left anyway?
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Don't know why you're asking me specifically, I'm just some guy. But if I had guess, it's a combination of several things that coalesced into a general seething hatred of the concept of generative AI that goes beyond logical reason.
  • AI potentially uses a lot of energy to work, so you have the environmental angle which is kind of just continuing off similar stuff people said about crypto currency and NFTs (tbf NFTs were actually retarded).
  • Furries and porn artists getting worried that coomers being able to easier gen their coom material would put them out of the job, and trying to spin as a moral issue where they don't like it because it's an affront to human creativity.
  • Lots of graphic artists who work in jobs you might not immediately think of when you hear "artist" who work in things like websites or advertising. Their jobs tend to be some of the easiest to do with generative AI, so you have them complaining the same way. This also gets into them saying effectively "robots were supposed to take away the dumb blue collar jobs, not my cushy white collar one!"
  • And related to the above two, the whole talking point gets made about how billionaires are trying to automate the fun jobs in life so humans are forced to continue working all the shitty jobs.
  • A lot of voice actors also tend to be leftists, and they immediately felt threatened by the idea of generative voice AI and started screeching about it until it turned into some moral stance that you must pay a voice actor if you want human voices in your work for some moral reason I don't think I've ever seen anyone fully articulate, but don't you dare question it.
Overall, a lot of it probably just that generative AI affects a lot of jobs leftists happen to infest, and since anything that makes them mad or worried must be some kind of moral affront to them, they ended up screeching about it being evil because of the human creativity and environmental angles.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
Don't know why you're asking me specifically, I'm just some guy.
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Earlier you mentioned something about leftism, universities, and generative AI hate, so I figured you'd know.

a lot of it probably just that generative AI affects a lot of jobs leftists happen to infest
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How come the arts are infested with SJWs anyway? Is it because they think doing that for a living instead of a hobby is a comfy way to live? Or because spreading propaganda?
 
ToroidalBoat said:
Earlier you mentioned something about leftism, universities, and generative AI hate, so I figured you'd know.
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Well I'm flattered you consider me an authoritative source, but I don't think I am one, even if I do absorb a lot of random information.
ToroidalBoat said:
How come the arts are infested with SJWs anyway? Is it because they think doing that for a living -- as opposed to just a mere hobby -- is a cushy way to live?
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That's the sort of a question that could probably fill an entire thread of conversation. At least as far as keeping things focused on modern day SJWs, I think it's a combination of
  • Creative jobs can be viewed a cushy and important, as well as self-gratifying considering you're making what you want. Certainly has a more glamorous appeal than fixing people's toilets, right? Enter the common joke about how when internet communists pine for the revolution they always imagine themselves getting to freely paint pictures forever instead of being forced to farm potatoes or whatever.
  • It's can effectively be a way to push propaganda on the masses. It's a common talking point among leftists, even if a dressed up a bit at times, that people have the "duty" to make works of fiction that conform to leftist morality so as to normalize their view as the correct way to think among society. Hence why they hate fiction that doesn't conform to their views so hard, as not only does it personally offend them but it's viewed as opposing propaganda that works against their goal.
  • Related to the above, true believer leftists once they get into any sort of position of power will try their best to turn their job into a clique of only leftists. Once enough of them enter a certain creative field or company, or one in particular gets a certain level of power over hiring, then anyone that doesn't toe the party line gets gatekept out.
  • And for the low level internet artists who aren't really a part of an industry, thinking like the furry and coomer artists, well hedonists tend to get attracted to leftism for various reasons including their whole rose view of communist mentioned in the first point, whereas the mean right-wingers want to force them to clean their room and wash their penis.
 
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TeaBaggins said:
I'm part of a writing group that does regular historical stories and story telling on an online forum.

If you even think about using AI to write your character biography, people will openly shame it and trash it because we have the audacity to not write our own character's biography and backstory.

It's that looked down on. And I have seen many people shamed for it publicly.


FFS, it's a biography. Not a chapter.
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To be charitable, it is annoying when you can tell that someone you're talking to online has just copy-pasted a response from ChatGPT, or published it without even reading through it. But it's also annoying when people post rambling stream of consciousness without punctuation or paragraph breaks. And those are kind of the same thing nowadays. To the extent that people complaining are against that, I can sympathize. They lose me when they start going on about electricity usage and plagiarism. If the character biography contains incorrect details, bizarre metaphors or is otherwise annoying in the ways that AI writing often is, it should be criticized for those reasons. But if it's perfectly cromulent work and the author happens to mention they used AI to help with it, no reasonable person should have a problem with that. To be honest, the author probably shouldn't even mention it.

There is a perception that if AI is mentioned at all, that means you're carelessly publishing LLM output verbatim without even reading it. Which, to be fair, is what a lot of people actually do. The most reasonable anti complaint, IMO, is the desire not to be subjected to slop that superficially looks well put together. But we've been here before. There was a time before computers and the Internet when you assume that words appearing in print had been through enough gatekeepers to meet a certain quality threshold.

That's why I think the current trend for labelling stuff as AI generated / AI assisted is going to go away. Most of the time, if you carelessly post unvetted AI output, it's obvious to anyone with some experience using these tools. And if you post something that you've spent time working on with AI assistance, it's not obvious, and the AI labels will just attract derangement, so there's no real incentive for anyone to mention they used AI.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I'm not too familiar with "Zoomer" slang, but "coomer" means freakish or unhealthy excess of sexuality?
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Basically, yeah. Or just someone who spends too much time looking at porn and masturbating. Or insult for someone being annoying in talking about porn or talking horny too often in conversations that aren't about that. In my usage last post, an extra flippant way to mean porn artist (who probably draws particularly weird porn).
 
Retarded Weeb said:
porn artist (who probably draws particularly weird porn).
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I imagine there are less leftist people who draw more moderate porno in the West, but yeah the leftists are probably more likely into sick stuff. Remember when Tumblr banned porno, and the "REE sexualizing women is bad" crowd did a mass exodus to Twitter? That crowd seems to more or less unanimously going "REE AI art bad", since AI art appeared.
 
Slurred said:
To be charitable, it is annoying when you can tell that someone you're talking to online has just copy-pasted a response from ChatGPT, or published it without even reading through it.
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Not a response. A written character biography to introduce your character. My problem is, if I admit I used AI to write some of my biography or all of it, usually done for styles like biographies that read like articles, etc. Well, the way that they act to it, I may as well have said that I killed someone.

Lol, it's a huge sin in that group.
 
TeaBaggins said:
Not a response. A written character biography to introduce your character. My problem is, if I admit I used AI to write some of my biography or all of it, usually done for styles like biographies that read like articles, etc. Well, the way that they act to it, I may as well have said that I killed someone.

Lol, it's a huge sin in that group.
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Response/something you're expecting others to read.

Well your prompts obviously did kill at least a few black people in Tennessee by making their water disappear. :P Just don't admit to it and probably no one will be any the wiser.
 
TeaBaggins said:
What is the deal with AI taking water?
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A lot of AI training and inference runs on graphics card clusters in data centers, many of which use water cooling, and leftists pretend not to understand the water cycle. It's all the same arguments they made against Bitcoin mining, basically amounting to "how dare you use resources for something I disapprove of, maybe if I shame you with selectively applied enviro-doomer arguments you'll feel bad and stop."

I recently saw someone get called out for posting AI art because of muh water usage and muh harm to marginalized communities. He responded that the art was generated on his own PC and so obviously had nothing to do with any data center. Many smaller AI models will run on the same hardware you'd use for playing videogames and use the same or less electricity as that activity.
 
Slurred said:
A lot of AI training and inference runs on graphics card clusters in data centers, many of which use water cooling, and leftists pretend not to understand the water cycle. It's all the same arguments they made against Bitcoin mining, basically amounting to "how dare you use electricity for something I disapprove of, maybe if I shame you with selectively applied enviro-doomer arguments you'll feel bad and stop."

I recently saw someone get called out for posting AI art because of muh water usage and muh harm to marginalized communities. He responded that the art was generated on his own PC and so obviously had nothing to do with any data center. Many smaller AI models will run on the same hardware you'd use for playing videogames and use the same or less electricity as that activity.
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Ah, so that's the new thing to attack people on. I get it.
 
Retarded Weeb said:
Overall, a lot of it probably just that generative AI affects a lot of jobs leftists happen to infest, and since anything that makes them mad or worried must be some kind of moral affront to them, they ended up screeching about it being evil because of the human creativity and environmental angles.
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Don't forget, AI also gives leftists a convenient excuse for why the job market has gone to shit which doesn't involve immigration. It's increasingly unfashionable for American leftists to talk about real labor issues anymore: there's too much danger of touching on a "populist" talking point and then getting labeled a fascist. Leftists can no longer condemn globalism or the importation of easily exploitable foreign workers to depress wages. So they retreat to endlessly complaining about billionaires and AI and "clankers."
 
behindyourightnow said:
Don't forget, AI also gives leftists a convenient excuse for why the job market has gone to shit which doesn't involve immigration.
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Not to derail into politics, but I find it weird how United States Leftists do not emphasize how impactful the tariffs are on the job market. Not even leftists attribute the state of the economy to basically how international trade is impacting the US domestically and abroad. If anything, I think the recent price increase and poor job market can be attributed to the rising production cost due constriction of cheaper trade abroad. I think the only reason why it's not discussed so heavily is the economic illiteracy of the left, which is why their support for globalism mostly comes from humanitarian arguments like giving refugees sanctuaries, but then they corrupt the actual positives of free immigration, by installing policies that bring in migrants by the millions and subvert the property rights of others and codify ridiculous entitlements to immigrants as rights.

behindyourightnow said:
Leftists can no longer condemn globalism or the importation of easily exploitable foreign workers to depress wages. So they retreat to endlessly complaining about billionaires and AI and "clankers."
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It's funny to interpret unions as liberal movements because I remember decades ago, unions hated immigrants because it allowed companies to import labor for cheap. In fact, a lot of US animators hated how much work in the industry was moved to Asia, cartoons often depicting them as undignified, exploited slave labor.


The irony is that, even if the depictions seen here are true, decades later, Asian animation has basically taken over the medium, and the work conditions have much improved since then, and now there is a small section of Western animators seething that they are constantly compared to and forced to compete with overseas companies.

If AI follows the much-maligned practice of outsourcing work overseas, it's not exactly a good forecast for labor unions fearing the technology.

Now it's way too early to make this prediction, but I think competition drives the industry more than protectionist labor laws. Right now, there is intense competition in the market for AI, bubble or not, people severely overestimate how much codifying protection of jobs into federal law will actually ensure their job security or their domination in the market. Even if these firms refuse to use AI or any future technology, they will need to adapt and innovate in their own way to compete.
 
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