Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

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If you stick anyone down on a psychiatrists couch they will find a diagnosis for you. You're only insane when it stops you functioning in society or drastically reduces your quality of life. There is no "sane" or "normal".

That being said, a large proportion of violent people are mentally ill because that term covers fucking everything. Including all the anti-social personality disorders etc.
 
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If you have a stong desire to harm another human being, particularly one that has never harmed you, you are not mentally healthy. I think I'm on pretty solid ground here.
 
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GrandNumberOfPounds said:
"Insane" is a legal term, not a psychological one.
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Nah. It's most common usage is an informal way of referring to loonies. It is also used as a legal term but the only reason it's not used in the medical profession is because it's not politically correct. In the same way that 'nymphomaniacs' are now 'hypersexuals' and 'manic depressives' are now 'bipolar' you'd now say 'mentally unstable' or 'psychotic' and not 'insane'.

We could use the word 'madness' but far too many people use mad to mean angry these days.
 
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Green Puddin said:
To be honest that'd make a sweet black market gig if all guns were banned. Crazy people will get their guns if
they are so determined, laws be damned.
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But an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment in a way that was never concieved of until the late 60s/ early 70s makes it oh so much easier to get them.
 
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Satan said:
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Why the fuck is he trying to pull of Blue Steel?
 
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Black Sonichu said:
Miniskirts do tend to attract men though. Lol
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Which is why they're complete tools. They see a little bit of ass, they think "soul mate" for no better reason than that their pants are getting tight. At least those stupid alphas are smart enough to recognize when all they can get is a little tail.
 
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Alec Benson Leary said:
Which is why they're complete tools. They see a little bit of ass, they think "soul mate" for no better reason than that their pants are getting tight. At least those stupid alphas are smart enough to recognize when all they can get is a little tail.
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I can't disagree with you there, Alec. Speaking of "alphas," a broken clock IS right twice a day.
 
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me am autistic
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Alec Benson Leary said:
Which is why they're complete tools. They see a little bit of ass, they think "soul mate" for no better reason than that their pants are getting tight. At least those stupid alphas are smart enough to recognize when all they can get is a little tail.
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Black Sonichu said:
me am autistic
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See?
 
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CätPärty said:
no guns = no gun deaths
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As a liberal, just keep the guns away from the crazies and I'll be happy. But dude was crazy and he got a gun. This is an oversight that is the fault of California's (And to an extent the US) willful neglect of people with psychological problems. Just the fact alone that he had a mild anti-psychotic prescribed to him shouldve been a big red flag to not let him near firearms.

That being said it still wouldn't have prevented the first three deaths by stabbing.
 
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Pikimon said:
As a liberal, just keep the guns away from the crazies and I'll be happy. But dude was crazy and he got a gun. This is an oversight that is the fault of California's (And to an extent the US) willful neglect of people with psychological problems. Just the fact alone that he had a mild anti-psychotic prescribed to him shouldve been a big red flag to not let him near firearms.

That being said it still wouldn't have prevented the first three deaths by stabbing.
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He acquired those guns completely legally, waiting periods, background checks, and all. If rules and regulations fail, the solution isn't more rules and regulations. These things just happen sometimes; no need to bring out extreme measures
 
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I am fully aware he aquired the guns legally (Elliot would be too much of a pussy to aquire guns from the black market). But the background check must've not covered psychological conditions (such as being prescribed anti-psychotics) because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to shoot the people he did.

But this shooting isn't an issue of gun regulations, it's an issue of the large ammount of neglect we show to the mentally unstable.
 
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Pikimon said:
I am fully aware he aquired the guns legally (Elliot would be too much of a pussy to aquire guns from the black market). But the background check must've not covered psychological conditions (such as being prescribed anti-psychotics) because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to shoot the people he did.

But this shooting isn't an issue of gun regulations, it's an issue of the large ammount of neglect we show to the mentally unstable.
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So all\most folks who've been prescribed psychotropic medications shoot people? That certainly does seem to go against the old canard that 'mentally ill folks are more likely to be victims than victimizers'.
 
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Pikimon said:
As a liberal, just keep the guns away from the crazies and I'll be happy. But dude was crazy and he got a gun. This is an oversight that is the fault of California's (And to an extent the US) willful neglect of people with psychological problems. Just the fact alone that he had a mild anti-psychotic prescribed to him shouldve been a big red flag to not let him near firearms.

That being said it still wouldn't have prevented the first three deaths by stabbing.
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I don't know what it takes to get a psychologist to report somebody, but I do believe there is a certain disconnect between the mental health industry and the NICS instant background check system. It's possible that many therapists are afraid to report somebody for fear of losing their job or a client, but on the other hand, some people who are legitimately nuts may know how to hide/mask/camouflage their intentions. All you really have to do is not commit a felony (or misdemeanor domestic assault, if I remember correctly) and things will generally go smooth if you want to go the "buy new" route. As long as you don't commit crimes and keep your mouth shut about your plans, seriously, no one's going to be the wiser until it's too late. Of course, this would not have prevented him from buying used from a private individual, or even stealing from someone he knew. And good point bringing up knives as well, this is the part the media is practically ignoring.

Mr. Coffee Tosser certainly had far worse problems than simple autism, and people did pick up hints that he was off, so I'm chalking this one up to a lack of communication between the therapist(s) and the proper authorities. Besides, even if a motion was made to commit him involuntarily, it is very difficult to do so due to patients' rights, and the burden of proof is rather heavy on that. He needs to be proven a danger to himself and others beyond a certain level of doubt, and even then, if he completes treatment or doesn't show any signs of being insane or whatever when being kept in the mental ward, he can get papers to prove he's clean and then go on anyway.
 
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