Warhammer 40k

funwithshemales69 said:
Are legions the same as chapters or are they different?
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The Space Marine legions in the Horus Heresy could contain hundreds of thousands of Space Marines. After the Horus Heresy, it was decided that many Space Marines in one group is a really bad idea, so in modern 40k the Space Marines are divided into chapters of 1,000 marines each, so if one falls to chaos or goes rouge, it still sucks but it's not as bad as losing a few hundred thousand at once.

funwithshemales69 said:
Why were the imperium there in the first place
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All of the galaxy belongs to the Imperium

funwithshemales69 said:
who are those two guys with the forcefields? I figure they are psykers but doesn't look like it. From a surface level I thought the imperium went there to secure the ball but couldn't and got sucked into it. What were the visions sent to the psyker about space Marines being burnt to a crisp?
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I thought they were constructs of the AI or maybe corrupted Mechanicus guys. AI is illegal in the Imperium, the Space Marines went to destroy it and found it to be a little more complicated than they thought. If I remember correctly there's little to no dialog in the animation, so a lot of what anyone has to say about it is speculation.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
I thought most of the games and movies are based off existing lore, in a more linear sense like star wars or marvel.
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Warhammer 40k traditionally is a setting and not a serialized story. They told us how we got to the 40th millennium, described the state of things, gave us a couple stories speckled here and there, some campaign events where things happened, but the universe is so big and the conflicts so numerous that very little could be cohesive. Things were just happening everywhere all the time and you were encouraged to place yourself in that world and what you wanted to do in it.

In 7th edition, they decided that the Horus Heresy stories and Primarchs were so popular that it would be a good idea to take the black pilled "Everything is fucked, this is the death of an age" set dressings and start writing grand narrative altering events that advanced the timeline into unknown territory. They brought back The Ultramarine primarch, Introduced Primaris marines all the while slaughtering some golden cows of the setting. Much of the discourse now is about this new advancing timeline which has more serialized elements as the Primarchs who were MIA shortly after the Heresy start making grand returns.

Old lore, books, and characters are still important to this new advancing plot line but you're not always dealing with those in the games. The Blood Ravens for example are a chapter who does'nt know which legion they herald from and are just out doing things that marines do. They were'nt completely canon - neither was Titus up until GW decided he was. But that really does'nt matter. Nothing really stops them from fitting in with the rest of the world even if they werent.

It's also important to note that the Astartes animations were created by a fan, it was'nt officially liscened in any way like the games. Which created some problems that resulted in the in-advertent death of TTS.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
I thought most of the games and movies are based off existing lore, in a more linear sense like star wars or marvel.
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For the most part yes. But for the Astartes animation no. It was a fan film that didn't appear to be based off of anything GW had written, including the Retributors space marine chapter featured in it. The project was basically halted when GW hired the creator to work for them officially. They since made the chapter one of thousands of random official chapters but that's about it. Pedersen then did a trailer for Astartes 2 which features some short clips that were stated to not actually be in the Astartes 2 animation, and the the trailer itself seems to indicate that the clips are just showing off chapters selected to be a Deathwatch kill team. Pedersen then also did some work on the Secret Level animation with the rest of the team that worked on that.

Back to the Astartes animation, when GW hired the guy they pulled it off of youtube, stuck it on whtv in only 720p and replaced a few sound effects(probably some sfx library usage rights issue).

So unfortunately the stuff in Astartes is basically random mostly non-canon who knows what due to GW knee-capping it by hiring the guy and Pedersen himself hasn't said much of anything since likely due to whatever NDA he has with GW who is paying him.

That's the GW announcement from March 2021 about hiring Pedersen and doing a continuation of Astartes, we didn't get the trailer until January 2025, and they've said fuck all since.

GW works at an absolutely glacial pace at times(you should look into how long it took them to finalize the 13th black crusade from the original narrative event, it happened in 2003 and didn't get its book Fall of Cadia until 2024. Yes the plot thread was old enough to drink by the time they finished it. Hell, Eisenhorn book 1 came out in 2004 and we've been waiting on the last book to end the Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin series after the 2nd Bequin novel in 2021, 5 years ago which the author has stated is already done).
 
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funwithshemales69 said:
I should read more
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Well, luckily for you there's around 500 Warhammer 40k novels. I started with Gaunt's Ghosts 3,000 years ago when I was in high school. That's about a unique Imperial Guard regiment though. There's the Ciaphas Cain books, which are about an Imperial Guard Commissar and a lot more comedic, almost making fun of the setting itself. Another starting point I had were the Uriel Ventris books, an Ultramarine novel series that is about the character that Titus replaced lmao.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
I should read more
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Fortunately there's an absolute fuckload to read. Best bet is to just pick some topics you find interesting. Specific chapters or factions, maybe characters, and then just read the books and short stories about 'em. Hell, there's 40k crime novels, some thrillers that even go into daily life on hive worlds or terra itself, histories of things, politics, naval(space) battles, huge wars, small skirmishes, you name it there's probably something and if you have a hard time finding it someone can probably point you in the direction you want to go in.
 
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How were they? It seems like it could be useful but I don't know how good they would be in practice.
 
p1138 said:
Fortunately there's an absolute fuckload to read. Best bet is to just pick some topics you find interesting. Specific chapters or factions, maybe characters, and then just read the books and short stories about 'em. Hell, there's 40k crime novels, some thrillers that even go into daily life on hive worlds or terra itself, histories of things, politics, naval(space) battles, huge wars, small skirmishes, you name it there's probably something and if you have a hard time finding it someone can probably point you in the direction you want to go in.
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Please take this advice about reading books. Yes, you should read the Horus Heresy, Night Lords Omnibus and The Infinite and the Divine, but you should START with a book of a faction you like.

Youre currently one step in, you want a book to pull you further in, not stonewall you or turn you away.
 
Mr Clark said:
Please take this advice about reading books. Yes, you should read the Horus Heresy, Night Lords Omnibus and The Infinite and the Divine, but you should START with a book of a faction you like.

Youre currently one step in, you want a book to pull you further in, not stonewall you or turn you away.
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Orks are da best and therefore you should be readin' the bestest and brutallest kunnin' gits of the galaxy.
 
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It is also good to temper your expectations about the writing quality of the average book. There are plenty of well written stuff, but with the amount of books black library releases every year there is also plenty of middling and even bad books. When you start reading books take note of authors that you particularly enjoy because chances are they wrote more stuff you might enjoy reading.

I've been reading storm of iron (graham mcneill) and it is a slog because it feels like every paragraph is some over-written edgy description of how someone was eviscerated.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
Is there any particular canon route to follow? Are there any particular books I should read (I read, watch and play the games instead of the figure boardgame shit, sorry)? Right now I just know of the different chapters and couple of factions, I have no idea how the magic works or the Horus Heresy or history or stuff like the chaos sigils. I dont understand what the alien does to Titus and the other marines in the Secret level episode. I dont know what happens in the second half of Astartes or what the marines are there for, other than "kill the mutant and purge the heretic". I would like to know this stuff.
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Unpopular opinion incoming.

Most of this stuff you don't need to know. And in a way, shouldn't really know. You compare it to marvel, but that's not really how 40k should be (it's turning into that, but back in my day it wasn't).

eg. The Horus Heresy used to be this vague event spelled out in broad strokes and largely lost to time.

Magic and psychic powers don't have strict rules, but are more "wibbly wobbly timey wimey". This is why tech is lost, held together with prayer and rituals that keep these working with little understanding of how it works.

The main hook of the setting is (or was) simple. A grim dark gothic sci-fi realm where humanity is barely holding together. Attacked from without by aliens, and attacked from within by heretics and rebels. Endless worlds of endless horrors where anything from a small 6 man skirmish to vast galactic battles could take place.

funwithshemales69 said:
Are legions the same as chapters or are they different?
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This is the answer.
Taki Supremacy said:
The Space Marine legions in the Horus Heresy could contain hundreds of thousands of Space Marines. After the Horus Heresy, it was decided that many Space Marines in one group is a really bad idea, so in modern 40k the Space Marines are divided into chapters of 1,000 marines each, so if one falls to chaos or goes rouge, it still sucks but it's not as bad as losing a few hundred thousand at once.
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But when it was never properly defined, it was held up as a time when space marine could really kick some arse.


My point is, you shouldn't approach this with a Marvel mindset of reading this trade and that issue of Spiderman to learn about why Peter Parker is black now. Instead you should learn the broad concept, and dive into each story as a stand alone game.
 
Judge Dredd said:
You compare it to marvel, but that's not really how 40k should be
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What I meant by the Marvel comparison is that it's a collection of disconnected nonsequential snapshots of a universe with a 50k year history and there is too much information to really map out a proper canon. There are several fragments which are self contained and maybe even out of sequence. Star wars is also like that but it's a bit more canon based. This ironically gives me judge Dredd vibes cause Dredd is also semi canonical but disconnected. The marvel comparison is just as to how GW is pursuing the storytelling, not how the universe is or plays out.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
What I meant by the Marvel comparison is that it's a collection of disconnected nonsequential snapshots of a universe with a 50k year history and there is too much information to really map out a proper canon. There are several fragments which are self contained and maybe even out of sequence. Star wars is also like that but it's a bit more canon based. This ironically gives me judge Dredd vibes cause Dredd is also semi canonical but disconnected. The marvel comparison is just as to how GW is pursuing the storytelling, not how the universe is or plays out.
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You can make a timeline of at least all the major events that change how the universe works. Pretty much all of them before M40 are usually just origin stories and you’re at best getting mentions in the relevant codexes and maybe a novel if you’re lucky.

In modern day though they’re usually wrapped up in campaigns that will have the main book with new rules and models for the tabletop and multiple novels/short stories. But they’re kind of like marvel events where multiple already established characters will partake in them alongside some new faces, for instance the latest one, 500 worlds, heavily features captain Titus.

But then at the same time everyone who wasn’t invited to the party gets up to their own stuff which is probably less consequential. Pretty much every single faction that has it’s own army on the tabletop has at least one series of novels dedicated to them. And if you want to get into the setting the best way is to find the faction that you will autistically obsess over and type their name into the black library website, all the relevant books will appear.
 
dezazlop said:
I've been reading storm of iron (graham mcneill) and it is a slog because it feels like every paragraph is some over-written edgy description of how someone was eviscerated.
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I will concede that Mcneill is a sick fuck, but he has a very good ability to tell a story and keep me turning the page. Not much of a reading afficianado but he's an author I would definitely recommend to people getting into 40k. Nightbringer was my second 40k book and I think it holds up very well despite some of the lore being retconned.
 
They're so fuckin cool, bros

"First one at a time, then in squadrons and finally in fleets, the orks began to flee from Kayvas...

The behaviour patterns of the ork crews began to change... the xenos exhibited conduct that more closely resembled panic. They would take chances, running the gauntlet of the Blood Angels blockade when the odds were stacked against them. It was almost as if there were something at their backs that they feared far more than the guns of Sanguinius’s Legion...

No one knew what the Alpha Legion had done to make the orks run... All that was certain was that the Alpha Legion had gone dark, only rising to send regular communiqués out to the blockade fleet that contained little more than a message to ‘maintain the line’.

The handful of orks that were captured alive gave incomprehensible answers under interrogation that muddied the waters still further. As the fleet stood and held the barricade, patrols scanning deep into the belt picked up all manner of hectic alien transmissions, and scry-sensors showed definite evidence of ork-versus-ork battles taking place closer to the blue sun.

Then, several months into the campaign, ships in the spinward quadrant detected the destruction of a massive, moon-sized planetesimal by unknown means. Sanguinius himself sent queries to the 88th and the response was that the event was ‘of no concern’."
 
Ended up buying a Brutalis Dreadnought. Mainly because I wanted to practice painting on a bigger model, but also because it was on sale, and Dreadnaughts are cool

Finished another Marine

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