Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

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Since we're on the millionth iteration of Rust troons bad, I thought of this eternal exchange from the saltmine origins (the openBSD misc mailing list).
I don't mind the language, but the troon delusions of replacing all C code with Rust is exactly that, delusional.
 
emergenigger said:
The truth is that the Developers fucking hate Wayland but you won't hear this from Poettering-lets.
It is a nightmare to maintain and debug.


Source: Private conversation with a KiCad developer/maintainer @ Fosdem last year.
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I've personally needed to do 6 million hacks for my application to work on wayland as well, even with xwayland. And it still cant work properly and on some wayland compositors it cant work at all. It has to rely on undefined behaviors in each wayland compositor and also bypass wayland and access linux apis (sometimes with root access). If the application were to be a native wayland application it wouldn't work at all.
This is intentional in the wayland protocol. My application will never be able to work properly on wayland.
 
dec05eba said:
This is intentional in the wayland protocol. My application will never be able to work properly on wayland
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Which is why I don't get the hate for Vaxry. Literally years before the drama Hyprland was considered [one of] the best compositors for Wayland.
But I guess trannies like to dig their own graves and fuck up their projects.

Edit: typo.
 
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emergenigger said:
Which is why I don't get the hate for Vaxry.
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Because he's a chud.

dec05eba said:
If the application were to be a native wayland application it wouldn't work at all.
This is intentional in the wayland protocol. My application will never be able to work properly on wayland.
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Without revealing too much info about yourself can you explain why?
 
mango_reseller said:
Since we're on the millionth iteration of Rust troons bad, I thought of this eternal exchange from the saltmine origins (the openBSD misc mailing list).
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For instance, rust cannot even compile itself on i386 at present time because it exhausts the address space.
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I've laughed so hard at this, the coffee i was drinking leaked through my nose. People were compiling ADA in the 80's on machines which i386 could run rings around, yet the modern soyware developers cannot compile their slop on that.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
Without revealing too much info about yourself can you explain why?
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He ain't hiding.

Let me try to answer as someone who doesn't know shit:

Well you see in the mind of Wayland developers, the average computer user is a pedophile nuclear power plant, we need to redesign all our software to be SAFE from targeted attacks. Apps cannot be allowed to know anything about other programs. They can't even know which screen is the main one. So imagine how unsafe and dangerous it is for a program to be able to access the contents of the screen, it could see all of your illegal porn important classified documents.

But after they designed their perfect SAFE and GOOD protocol they noticed they couldn't hop on a screenshare on discord MS Teams with their kitten scientific collaborators, so they added a bunch of ad-hoc exceptions that work slightly different in each WM so you have to stay on top of that ever-evolving pile of workarounds, while the model-UN tranny government tries to codify the is-this-the-main-screen-i-need-to-put-the-taskbar-somewhere protocol extension in less than 10 years.

The value proposition was supposed to be "SAFE GOOD without all the cruft" but then it turned out that the old guys didn't add the cruft just because they wanted to, but because it was required for X to be useful. So they added all of this stuff back in, destroying the value proposition, reinventing the wheel, and wasting everyone's time.

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mango_reseller said:
Since we're on the millionth iteration of Rust troons bad, I thought of this eternal exchange from the saltmine origins (the openBSD misc mailing list).
I don't mind the language, but the troon delusions of replacing all C code with Rust is exactly that, delusional.
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I still maintain my controversial opinion that, overall, Rust isn't too bad. It's just the retards who think it's a silver bullet who bring the entire project down.

There's no way you can replace all C code. Even if you tried, Rust "safety features" makes writing certain bits of code annoying as fuck. One example is that it took the idea of a Garbage Collected language and said "you should always be thinking about the garbage", completely missing a big selling point of GC.

Someone else said it in this thread or the programming one; the annoying people related to Rust and lots of stupid Open Source stuff all seem to be mentally unstable, and not in the fun Terry Davis way.

I do hope that LLMs can steal away a lot of the time of these people so rational adults can get back to building shit. For every perceived CoC violation we can now have an LLM meticulous tell the offended why they should fuck off.
 
dec05eba said:
I've personally needed to do 6 million hacks for my application to work on wayland as well, even with xwayland. And it still cant work properly and on some wayland compositors it cant work at all. It has to rely on undefined behaviors in each wayland compositor and also bypass wayland and access linux apis (sometimes with root access). If the application were to be a native wayland application it wouldn't work at all.
This is intentional in the wayland protocol. My application will never be able to work properly on wayland.
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didn't know you were on the farms

I wanted to say that GPU-Screen-Recorder is literally a gift from god and that if it wasn't for you I probably would be having a bad time on Linux right now.
You didn't need to support Wayland (and I would prefer if you deliberately did not), and you did anyways, it's a commendable effort considering that the bar for a good screen recorder on Linux is low. Thanks for trying.

Sometimes I hope that struggles like this will wake people up to what state Wayland is honestly in, but then I remember the average Wayland user only uses their computer for video games and Firefox...

Meth Reindeer said:
I still maintain my controversial opinion that, overall, Rust isn't too bad. It's just the retards who think it's a silver bullet who bring the entire project down.
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I still maintain my opinion that Rust is designed to entertain the retards in question due to all over the place language cohesion and disincentives (we've all heard the classic "it's just C++ with 'unsafe' written everywhere"), and its ecosystem is too centralized around mediocre tools. It's not even a reasonable competitor to C, it's more comparable to C++.

Also, lol: https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs
 
The Anarki Main said:
didn't know you were on the farms
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yeah. that's funny I think I saw @dec05eba on some youtube channel not that long ago talking to someone. I can't remember who. If not they were talking about gpu screenrecorder. I wish I could remember who I was watching. I never put 2 and 2 together on it though. I almost want to say I remember seeing the same pfp in what I watched, but just figured it was a coincidence someone here had it.

I halfway feel like I'm imaging it because i can't remember what channel it was lol. I'm positive some youtube video I watched recently was about your program at the very least though

edit: I knew I wasn't insane lol


tell brodie to read the thread. I'm sure he will love it here.
 
Lunduke is alright in my book

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