Inactive Elliot Rodger - The Supreme Gentleman

[Protoman]

Alright. Yup. I'm done. This thread is going nowhere.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

Sadly the best outcome would have been if he had successfully pushed one of those women off the ledge when he had that psychotic break.

The cops probably would have probed deeper and discovered his guns/plans and thus we trade one broken leg for 7 people's lives.

Sadly this didn't happen. Funny how life goes.

 

[Mourning Dove]

Ehhh I read through half of this thread before I got tired of this piece of shit. He fit right into Lolcow territory with the crying and beverage throwing until his massive delusions and entitlement issues made him shoot up innocent people. Nothing of value was lost. Good riddance and burn to a 4th-degree crisp in hell if there is one, Elliot Rodgers.

 

[Lady Houligan]

Ehhh I read through half of this thread before I got tired of this piece of shit. He fit right into Lolcow territory with the crying and beverage throwing until his massive delusions and entitlement issues made him shoot up innocent people. Nothing of value was lost. Good riddance and burn to a 4th-degree crisp in hell if there is one, Elliot Rodgers.

I'd only argue against this on the grounds that six people who were only trying to go about their lives are now gone. Otherwise I'm entirely with you.

little shit wasted coffee ffs

 

[Artard]

As a liberal, just keep the guns away from the crazies and I'll be happy. But dude was crazy and he got a gun. This is an oversight that is the fault of California's (And to an extent the US) willful neglect of people with psychological problems. Just the fact alone that he had a mild anti-psychotic prescribed to him shouldve been a big red flag to not let him near firearms.

That being said it still wouldn't have prevented the first three deaths by stabbing.

Do we have statistics on how often drugs of that nature are prescribed?

I'd be rather worried that a bad psych (of which, you know, examples abound) would be in a position to create a second class of citizens. Regardless of how one feels about gun laws, having citizens with different rights is a worrying situation.

What if they're prescribed and it has bad side effects and they never take it again? Is it a matter of One Single Dose and you're out?

In Elliot's case it doesn't appear he took this one or even had the prescription filled.

Three thoughts:

1. Elliot had that weird clock in his spergin' head. He HAD to win the lottery (in his head equating to a Lambo & a mansion with INSTANT PUSSY) even though I kind of doubt even THAT would have made him a DESIRABLE bachelor. There was no way he was going to go into year 23 sans hot, model blonde. He narrowed all his options, year by year, and then bet everything, not just on a lottery, but only nine-figure lotteries. Just to avoid going to classes, work, the local Starbucks, the entire Earth, to see men talk with girls, or even worse, be in a COUPLE. As a neurotypical, I don't get this solipsism AT ALL. I solicit Artard's thoughts on this.

Your description is dead on. A random thought that occurred to me is that he was against some sort of deadline in terms of how long he could continue to get his parents to pay for his life. Several semesters he had taken one online class, that's it, and I recall him mentioning that he had lied to his parents about this at least twice (they must have believed he was taking at least a partial course load). If they don't pay his rent and car insurance he loses the last little supports propping up the external façade of Elliot Rodger, The Supreme Gentleman.

I have no clue why he would paint himself into this corner, but we really have no evidence that he ever applied himself to any task, ever. He had to leave private school for some reason he doesn't reveal; he was "bullied" out of public school, if that actually happened; and then he bragged of going to a continuation school that lasted 3 hours a day and let him go home and play WoW the rest of the time. He flunked out of the local community college and dropped/didn't even take classes at the one in Santa Barbara. He worked half a day of work in his life.

It seems like the only credible accomplishments he had in life was passing a driving test (he failed the written portion the first time) and an alternative high school that seems like it was designed to kill time before kids reach adulthood rather than teach them anything. When Chris finished Sonichu #0, he surpassed Elliot.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

I'm paraphrasing because I read it last night, but I like how he said he "tried everything...thinking about inventing something, contemplating writing an epic story, and hoping to win the lottery."

Like, he didn't even do those things. He considered doing them and it didn't work! The injustice!

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

Yeah, really, even Chris was more accomplished than this guy. And we think Chris has a bad sense of entitlement.

 

[Marvin]

I hope this song is playing nonstop for Elliot in the afterlife:

 

[Cwckifan]

I'm paraphrasing because I read it last night, but I like how he said he "tried everything...thinking about inventing something, contemplating writing an epic story, and hoping to win the lottery."

Like, he didn't even do those things. He considered doing them and it didn't work! The injustice!

Hell, he was even talking about how he wanted to write a movie, but it'd take too much time to be any good, and he wanted money and girls NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!!

 

[Zeorus]

He never mentioned homosexual feelings or homosexual people in general so that assessment is left up in the air.

He did mention homosexual people in a rather disparaging way in the Spergifesto a few times, actually. Possible sign of homophobia as a cover for being bisexual.

 

[DC 740]

Man it's gotta be hard for anyone outside of Elliot's brain to pin point when to get help. "Oh no he's eight years old and a girl called him a name he'll go on a rampage unless we do something" ... Were there any obvious signs outside of the bitchyfesto, and his mother calling the police to check on him?

 

[Obnoxion]

Ehhh I read through half of this thread before I got tired of this piece of shit.

IKTFB. I tortured myself by reading all of it. I must have got some hidden masochistic tendencies. After reading through all that, I don't think I have anything original to say, but here goes anyway.

Elliot was easily a 7/10. However, he seemed laughably inexperienced - to the point where he considered being a "nice guy" a 100% good thing with no downsides whatsoever, and even went a step ahead from that title and fashioned himself the "Perfect Gentleman".

Judging by his manifesto and his videos, he seemed to have an awful personality. He must've been shunned by kids a lot. Then he might've retreated into the world of computers (and later, of course, Warcraft) to avoid the teasing. That in turn could have made him secluded, isolated and lonely. Lonelines does... things... to you. It can exacerbate your existing mental issues, I'm pretty sure. He might have crafted himself an alternate personality - the "Gentleman", which only existed on the internet, where it was not as easy to attack as in real life. The growing dissonance between his imaginary perfection and his social retardation brought about by isolation could have then caused him great distress. At that critical point in his development he could have then either tried to break the shell and make some friends, and in the process face so much teasing for months, maybe years, he'd wish he'd never left his room... or he could have gone deeper down the rabbit hole to try and uphold the crumbling facade of (what he at that point thought was) normalcy.

[/armchairpsychology]

Anyway, the moral of the story is: you have to function in society somehow. If you don't, you either die, or you kill yourself, probably after going absolutely crazy. Life doesn't care at all if you have the worst personality of all time. I wanted to have some sympathy for the kid, but I couldn't find it. It was all Elliot's fault he failed to find the strength to reforge himself in blood, sweat and tears. I wonder if in his last moments, before putting a bullet in his head to escape the self-inflicted hell on earth, he at least had the insight to recognize that by going on a shooting spree, he had failed ultimately.

 

[Some JERK]

Man it's gotta be hard for anyone outside of Elliot's brain to pin point when to get help. "Oh no he's eight years old and a girl called him a name he'll go on a rampage unless we do something" ... Were there any obvious signs outside of the bitchyfesto, and his mother calling the police to check on him?

He was already being treated by physiologists and was on anti-psychotics, and I'm sure that they were doing whatever they could for the guy. As for pinpointing when he needed to get committed, or how those firearms might have been taken out of his hands, that's tough to say. But his mom found his youtube account and knew something bad was about to go down. She called the cops and they couldn't do anything because he wasn't an immediate threat to himself or others. I don't know what the answer is really. We've had a pretty good back and forth about it in this thread already, but awesome as we are here on the CWCki forums () it's going to take a larger discussion by more qualified people to sort out if anything could have really prevented this. It might be that no, nothing could have at all. We have to accept the fact that at the end of the day, sometimes you just can't outsmart crazy, or legislate reality.

 

[Artard]

But his mom found his youtube account and knew something bad was about to go down. She called the cops and they couldn't do anything because he wasn't an immediate threat to himself or others.

You have to think what else might have been lurking in his past that he didn't reveal. The reason I say that is because his mother allegedly went from "these videos are fucking weird" to "I better call the cops about it". That sounds like someone that's genuinely afraid of -- not afraid for -- their son and what he might do.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

I'm paraphrasing because I read it last night, but I like how he said he "tried everything...thinking about inventing something, contemplating writing an epic story, and hoping to win the lottery."

Like, he didn't even do those things. He considered doing them and it didn't work! The injustice!

Am I the only one who thinks any fantasy story written by him would have resembled an even more pathetic version of Gor?

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

If he did try to produce a novel or a movie it would be similar to Sonichu, complete with self-insert and enormous sense of USI.

 

[teheviltwin]

You have to think what else might have been lurking in his past that he didn't reveal. The reason I say that is because his mother allegedly went from "these videos are fucking weird" to "I better call the cops about it". That sounds like someone that's genuinely afraid of -- not afraid for -- their son and what he might do.

I'd agree with that. Especially as Soumaya's reaction after he acted up in Morocco (again) was so strong. It might just be that the whole family is highly strung but I imagine there was more to his 'tantrums' than just crying. He might never have hurt anyone directly but I can picture flailing and item throwing/furniture flipping. Considerably more intimidating once the person is an adult, especially if you have a toddler.

 

[Lady Houligan]

You have to think what else might have been lurking in his past that he didn't reveal. The reason I say that is because his mother allegedly went from "these videos are fucking weird" to "I better call the cops about it". That sounds like someone that's genuinely afraid of -- not afraid for -- their son and what he might do.

There's one point that someone made earlier in the thread (apologies for not knowing who), where they highlighted the fact that he had a variety of incidents where he never indicates WHY but his parents randomly come together to try and get his shit sorted out, or just send him out of the country for a few weeks. So if I can be allowed to use my armchair psychology degree, I'd guess that despite being a "high-functioning autistic" (per his parents, from one article I read about him today) his coping behaviors tended towards violence, hence why his parents immediately saw his videos and immediately said "we need to call the cops." There's also the fact that in the document he left, he also details the event where he broke his ankle trying to hurt the people at the house party he crashed- considering how often he talks about crying to his mom when life didn't go his way, I don't think it's too far a stretch to guess he told his mother exactly what he was actually attempting to do after lying to the police so he'd purely look like the victim. Unfortunately, I'd suspect like many people on the spectrum he had a lot of his "problem-solving" speeches rehearsed. (See Chris's repeated apologies where he manages to say all the right things, even if he immediately turns around and makes it clear he didn't mean any of it.)

The problem is that all we really have to go off of are his dramatically biased writings and videos at this point, for the best insight into his mindset. Moreso since he never really talked to anyone on a genuine level.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

Am I the only one who thinks any fantasy story written by him would have resembled an even more pathetic version of Gor?

He did write a fantasy story, though. It was about 140 pages long.

 

[Daario Naharis]

Am I the only one who thinks any fantasy story written by him would have resembled an even more pathetic version of Gor?

Oh Lord, Gor, don't even get me started on that shit.

Though I think the guys best one was Time Slave or whatever the fuck it was called. Jist of it equals, as I recall, modern feminist travels to various Pre-Modern societies. History is re-written so women are little more than BDSM sex slaves in all of them.