Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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I know a few "professional sick people" who, in addition to shitposting for asspats about malingering in real life pretend to be "crisis workers" and run way too many half-dead online groups for other malingerers.
Two of them were a parent's gambling buddy. The other is a long story.
All of them, including a lolcow I can't make a thread on just yet are all obsessed with the show "Starting over".https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starting_Over_(TV_series)
One of them is way too young to have seen it in its original run, but yet she found it and spergs about wanting to have been on it.
 
A cell phone/tablet ban by hospitals would be horrible for the people stuck there for extended periods of time. The TV options are shitty - I was once in for a few weeks and laying there in a bed all day is boring as fuck.

No shit. Surprised somebody with a serious illness would ever consider a no-phone hospital policy as a reasonable thing, but maybe this illness doesn't require frequent hospitalizations.

Not sure how one can make it through a hospital stay without a phone or tablet-whether it's using headphones and music to drown out nighttime hospital noise, to keeping friends updated, to watching a movie or TV show, or reading a kindle book-a phone is a necessity. Yes, you can be in pain and even be on a morphine drip and still be bored and need something to take your mind off your surroundings. And they don't interfere with hospital equipment.

The solution does not lie in banning phones, it is at the other end. All the people giving attention to somebody who is faking or exaggerating, they need to reconsider. I think most people end up knowing who these fakers are, but are still too polite and always respond when they see a photo in a hospital setting.

I do agree that many Munchies feel in competition with others rather than empathy. They have a need to be the sickest, rather than be helpful. It's all "I" statements, and any symptom one person mentions, the Munchies has had it and worse. Moderators of these online communities have it tough because of the sensitivity issue.
 
The comment was "ban in some areas" (actually, they are still in some parts of some hospitals.) I think we were talking about the ER where the standard attention-seeker just HAS to get that selfie. It would at least dampen their buzz, especially as they can make themselves look much more excitingly ill in an ER. Just unplug the unconscious old geezer in the bed from his heart monitor, he won't mind for a minute, move all the exciting beepy-flashy stuff over, stick it on yourself, look brave and "say cheese." Awww, look....the old fella's gone the same colour as the walls. Bless.

But yeah. Hospitals can be boring as all hell - I don't think either of us were advocating making it even more tedious. But if you're in the ER, a selfie shouldn't be top priority. But we're not mentalists...
 
So I wonder what happened in this case, which has all the hallmarks of being a MBP case:

Now that petition obviously is a hysterical CPS kidnaps disabled child from home because mom reschedules doctors appointment - which is obvious bullshit. If you read the list of this kids diagnosis it's like a munchie to-do list of hard to diagnosis crap. (With the exception of microcephaly, but look at that kid, he doesn't look like any kid with with microcephaly I've ever seen. He looks totally normal in fact.)

The mother had been on a two year social media attention whoring and fundraising bonanza, which is what most of the search results about this case turn up. Just a lot of silence after he was removed, besides the initial outcry against CPS (but they seemed to shut up real quick like after the first two weeks.)

A little more info comes out and they didn't remove this kid because of missing a doctor's appointment (duh) but because they think his mother is a MBP case and subjecting him to countless unneeded medical treatments.

http://komonews.com/archive/parents-accused-of-medical-abuse-fighting-to-get-son-back

But it all seems to have gone quiet after late June 2015, all of the cheerleaders for the mother went silent. I wonder what happened to this poor kid and his bugfuck crazy mom.

EDIT: Found some more info and links to some further news stories in this article. Apparently after changing a online fundraiser for a "sensory room" to a help us hire lawyers, a video the mom posted making it clear this was about her pain, etc.. they unplugged from social media entirely realizing most of the stuff online made them look guilty. Some of the specific charges were the parents used donated fund for Bubby's medical care to by themselves expensive gifts that had no benefit to the child. They also don't even think the kid was autistic, which I thought mild autism might be the only thing he might have had. This sounds like a case that could have gone the Dee Dee Blanchard route had CPS not nipped it in the bud.
 
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So I wonder what happened in this case, which has all the hallmarks of being a MBP case:

Now that petition obviously is a hysterical CPS kidnaps disabled child from home because mom reschedules doctors appointment - which is obvious bullshit. If you read the list of this kids diagnosis it's like a munchie to-do list of hard to diagnosis crap. (With the exception of microcephaly, but look at that kid, he doesn't look like any kid with with microcephaly I've ever seen. He looks totally normal in fact.)

The mother had been on a two year social media attention whoring and fundraising bonanza, which is what most of the search results about this case turn up. Just a lot of silence after he was removed, besides the initial outcry against CPS (but they seemed to shut up real quick like after the first two weeks.)

A little more info comes out and they didn't remove this kid because of missing a doctor's appointment (duh) but because they think his mother is a MBP case and subjecting him to countless unneeded medical treatments.

http://komonews.com/archive/parents-accused-of-medical-abuse-fighting-to-get-son-back

But it all seems to have gone quiet after late June 2015, all of the cheerleaders for the mother went silent. I wonder what happened to this poor kid and his bugfuck crazy mom.

Yeah, the "Stevie" case where there was a whole lot of publicity about "medical kidnapping" was the same. Social media claimed the child was removed "because they were trans". In fact, it was because the mother was insisting on increasingly invasive medical procedures for the kid's relatively minor health issues (kid was diabetic and has epilepsy - mum wanted a port and a feeding tube placed). Mum's whole identity revolved around her child being "special".

Social media went very quiet once the true facts came out.
 
So I wonder what happened in this case, which has all the hallmarks of being a MBP case:

Now that petition obviously is a hysterical CPS kidnaps disabled child from home because mom reschedules doctors appointment - which is obvious bullshit. If you read the list of this kids diagnosis it's like a munchie to-do list of hard to diagnosis crap. (With the exception of microcephaly, but look at that kid, he doesn't look like any kid with with microcephaly I've ever seen. He looks totally normal in fact.)

The mother had been on a two year social media attention whoring and fundraising bonanza, which is what most of the search results about this case turn up. Just a lot of silence after he was removed, besides the initial outcry against CPS (but they seemed to shut up real quick like after the first two weeks.)

A little more info comes out and they didn't remove this kid because of missing a doctor's appointment (duh) but because they think his mother is a MBP case and subjecting him to countless unneeded medical treatments.

http://komonews.com/archive/parents-accused-of-medical-abuse-fighting-to-get-son-back

But it all seems to have gone quiet after late June 2015, all of the cheerleaders for the mother went silent. I wonder what happened to this poor kid and his bugfuck crazy mom.

They shouldn't give him back based on the fact that they named the poor fucking kid Bubby.
 
Since I did find more info, but still haven't uncovered what the outcome of the custody for Bubby was, I'm posting a few more links.

Tell me that mother doesn't look crazy.
http://www.king5.com/news/local/tac...aide-testifies-his-mother-is-loving/140300398

Also this statement is chilling:
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In a final statement, a doctor from Seattle Children's stated Bubby's "mother continues to present misleading, incorrect, and untrue facts, predictions, diagnosis and is actively working on plans related to his impending demise." The doctor goes on to say "she is not only accruing a phenomenal amount of resources but the end result of all of this is Bubby's progressive imprisonment in his home and life."

Apparently the mother was doing a lot of shit surrounding DNR orders and telling everyone Bubby could die at any moment. I wonder what she had planned? They sometimes take it to far and kill the goose that lays the attention eggs. Also, they said the poor kid was basically strapped in and imprisoned 24/7 by various medical devices the mother insisted he needed. The doctors apparently think there wasn't anything really wrong with the kid at all, just all fabrication by the mother and father. (Father seemed to be a passive supporter with mental issues of his own.)
 
The comment was "ban in some areas" (actually, they are still in some parts of some hospitals.) I think we were talking about the ER where the standard attention-seeker just HAS to get that selfie. It would at least dampen their buzz, especially as they can make themselves look much more excitingly ill in an ER. Just unplug the unconscious old geezer in the bed from his heart monitor, he won't mind for a minute, move all the exciting beepy-flashy stuff over, stick it on yourself, look brave and "say cheese." Awww, look....the old fella's gone the same colour as the walls. Bless.

But yeah. Hospitals can be boring as all hell - I don't think either of us were advocating making it even more tedious. But if you're in the ER, a selfie shouldn't be top priority. But we're not mentalists...
Dear god no. I understand some people abuse it, but it's damn near impossible to get out of an ER in less than 4 hours. I took my mother to one, we had gone to a urgent care (quick service medical place) and her symptoms were similar to a "Ohshit That's Bad" issue so they sent us to the ER. It turned out to be a "Uh-Oh, You Need A Specialist, But You Aren't Gonna Die Immediately" issue, and it still took an hour and a half to get out of there. We both felt stupid, because we were taking up space that could be used by a person with something actually bad, but it took forever to process my mother out. We were there for hours, and I'm pretty sure without our phones to distract us we would've gone nuts.
 
Dear god no. I understand some people abuse it, but it's damn near impossible to get out of an ER in less than 4 hours. I took my mother to one, we had gone to a urgent care (quick service medical place) and her symptoms were similar to a "Ohshit That's Bad" issue so they sent us to the ER. It turned out to be a "Uh-Oh, You Need A Specialist, But You Aren't Gonna Die Immediately" issue, and it still took an hour and a half to get out of there. We both felt stupid, because we were taking up space that could be used by a person with something actually bad, but it took forever to process my mother out. We were there for hours, and I'm pretty sure without our phones to distract us we would've gone nuts.

But...but....surely there was a flea-infested, dribble-crusted old teddy bear in the corner you could've played with? ;-) That probably harboured every known disease and several completely new ones.

Seriously, that's a shitty situation. Besides, it doesn't matter what hospitals do or don't do, these fruitcakes get in and get their kicks anyway. Seems a shame we can't trade off, seeing as most of us absolutely hate the whole experience. Even with nothing else, they'd probably develop "potentially fatal" anaphylactic shock from the Evil Teddy...
 
I phone/tablets are certainly needed when you have to wait around in a not life threatening emergency or are admitted for a hospital stay, but for these fucking munchies claiming a TEN on pain scale taking selfies in the ER - fuuuuck you, that's such bullshit.

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I had to endure a downtown ER last night when my husband came crawling up the steps. He is doubled over in the worst pain I've ever seen him and this is a guy who've I've seen stomach turning accident/wounds happen to and he doesn't flinch. The pain was so out of control I thought he was going to punch people trying to do his paperwork - he was just blind with pain so bad he was vomiting (but even when asked said his pain was a 9). Relatively quickly (in ER time) the doctor after 30 seconds said I'm 99% it's a kidney stone - and that was confirmed by a CAT scan. They hit him up with massive doses of fentanyl and he finally got some relief - but for three solid hours neither he nor I even looked at a iphone or electronic device. I didn't even think about my phone until he the pain meds had kicked his ass for a solid ten minutes. Anyone saying the are in level 10 pain fucking around on their phones is a fucking liar or has no idea what real pain is.

I will also say this for the ER staff, once they know it's a kidney stone - they gave him the real deal pain meds without hesitation until he was sane again. (Which thanks to fucking munchies and addicts they have to be quite stingy with until they can be sure they've got someone in legit pain. I was so glad he had pain from something that was 100% physically diagnosable, because munchies/addicts have had to put ER staff on high alert for abuse.
 
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I phone/tablets are certainly needed when you have to wait around in a not life threatening emergency or are admitted for a hospital stay, but for these fucking munchies claiming a TEN on pain scale taking selfies in the ER - fuuuuck you, that's such bullshit.

They're slowly getting banned from more and more hospital spaces here. Not because people take selfies with them or because they interfere with medical equipment, but because idiots can't stop taking photos of other patients and uploading them on social media.
 
Last time I was in an ER was a couple years ago. I wasn't dying, but they suspected something very serious - I still waited for an hour or two in the ER bed until they could scan me. Just because you're having an emergency doesn't mean you don't end up waiting, especially if someone with an even bigger emergency comes through. Admittedly, I took selfies because I was bored as fuck and trying to distract myself.
 
funnily enough the hospital here has "no phones permitted" signs EVERYWHERE but the waiting areas. if we see someone taking photos we take their phone.

it's signage that allows us to do that; we're not only discouraging Munchausen's (photo taking while claiming high pain level, is considered part of the history of that patient, by the way)
we're also preventing people from taking photos of other patients and violating their privacy.

That said, people just looking at their phone, reading, texting, listening to stuff- we leave them alone. The signs just give us the right to take the phone away, we can selectively apply this.

There's a difference between malingering, Munchausen's, and drug addiction. We treat the three very differently at every level of care, really. We have a few frequent flier drug addicts, the ER will provide them a maintenance dose, information on recovery treatment, a sandwich/soup, and wound checks, as well as some alcohol wipes and things to take along. I've seen narcan handed out too.

malingerers want a note or proof of illness or injury, to show their boss/spouse/insurance company. we do the best we can to make sure that LACK OF OBVIOUS INJURY is included.

Munchausen's patients are totally different and fairly obvious once you've dealt with a few. Their illnesses aren't treatable, photos, bragging, excitement about procedures others find frightening. We work with them differently; after all, they can still get actually sick.

All of these people could still be actually ill, so we test to treat, and draw our conclusions as we go. Kidney stones are a bitch and there are only a handful of things that rate a genuine 10, stones are one of them. It's one of the first things we test for, if the pain is that high and localized in the right area.

basically we treat even our worst patients as if every illness is real until proven otherwise. I've seen some really jaded er doctors though. I can't blame them. it's really the luck of the draw if you get the good or bad- but patients can always ask for another opinion (even if it seems to piss off the current doctor) and you may get more perception from the next one. Or you'll get an even more bitter one.

the ER is for acute, not chronic stuff. red flags when a chronically ill person arrives, if nothing is broken or bleeding.
 
the ER is for acute, not chronic stuff. red flags when a chronically ill person arrives, if nothing is broken or bleeding.

This needs to be in bold, in lights, written on cakes, and cross stitched into samplers. If a person has a serious chronic illness then it's more than likely that they have a doctor to call for specifics related to that condition. Not only is calling the appropriate doctor better for the care of the patient, but also means less BS with the ER staff who have acute cases to deal with.

A personal cow of mine once threw a huge wobbly on FB because she was charged for an ambulance ride she took (a pretty unusual turn of events here, that NEVER happens). It turned out that the hospital was less than a 5 min journey from her flat, she and her boyfriend were at home together, and they had a perfectly functional car. It was painfully clear that the ambulance trip was just part of the fantasy as she updated her fb on the way and took selfies in the ER. She "has" fibro and less than 24 hours after leaving hospital she was out socialising with friends at an event. As my SO pointed out: her illness conveniently only stops her from having to do what she doesn't want to do, while getting her lots of tasty drugs.
 
As my SO pointed out: her illness conveniently only stops her from having to do what she doesn't want to do, while getting her lots of tasty drugs.

Where the hell is she getting tasty drugs for fibro? I have a relative with the real thing and she's on the usual cocktail of anti-inflammatories, antidepressants, and anti-seizure drugs because "tasty" drugs like opioids and benzos don't actually help.
 
Where the hell is she getting tasty drugs for fibro? I have a relative with the real thing and she's on the usual cocktail of anti-inflammatories, antidepressants, and anti-seizure drugs because "tasty" drugs like opioids and benzos don't actually help.
She was definitely on opioids because she moved to a new city a while ago for a guy and the new doc wouldn't renew her script (the FB meltdown is why i no longer follow her, it was too much). It was very clear that she doctor shopped like a champ.
 
Pain at level 10 leaves you borderline or unconscious. The bits which ARE conscious, the sole thought is "I want to be unconscious." Rather than taking selfies, the person is more likely to have no comprehension of what a phone is.

To be fair though, some chronic patients are told to go to A&E (in the UK, it's probably different for other countries) if their pain is not manageable at home or is putting them in danger. But they don't waste energy screaming and bawling, interspersed with demands the entire department can hear. I remember one woman who was screaming the place down, yelling for a nurse every two seconds, demanding morphine. She had a sprained ankle...but that's where the black humour comes in. The nurse said to me "she's having so much fun being a pain in the arse we're just letting her enjoy it."

However irritating it is to us, the staff are incredible. I'd just not be able to keep my shit together with any of it, especially not if the previous patient had been a severely ill child or someone horribly mangled or dead. Maybe we should have "Placebo Hospitals" where they can go and get the drama, be given enormous quantities of sugar pills (through an IV, natch. Pills are no good for a pic!) and the staff all dress up as medics without any actual training.

I declare Baron Munchausen's Hospital For The Really, No REALLY Incredibly Terribly Sick Oooo You Wouldn't Believe....OPEN!

Btw, anyone see that "600lb life" where Steven Assanti was given Dilaudid for vague, unspecified leg pain? That's ridiculous. No wonder the US has a pill problem. It's not used much here anyway, but you can't get it just cos you're screaming for it.
 
Maybe we should have "Placebo Hospitals" where they can go and get the drama, be given enormous quantities of sugar pills (through an IV, natch. Pills are no good for a pic!) and the staff all dress up as medics without any actual training.

I declare Baron Munchausen's Hospital For The Really, No REALLY Incredibly Terribly Sick Oooo You Wouldn't Believe....OPEN!
I love that idea.
 
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