AI Derangement Syndrome / Anti-AI artists / Pro-AI technocultists / AI "debate" communities - The Natural Retardation in the Artificial Intelligence communities

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Ed Newton-Rex said:
🚨 It looks like the UK government is gearing up to upend copyright law in favour of AI companies, legalising the theft of their work.

This is despite creatives' huge protests, and despite previous proposals being roundly rejected by the public.
Please spread the word.

There are rumours it is considering introducing a 'commercial research exception' for AI training. This would be disastrous. It would mean handing the life's work of British creatives to AI companies for free, to train their models on.

In the House of Lords today, a government minister refused to rule this out.

To be clear, this would amount to legalising theft. It would fly in the face of public opinion on what is fair, and would mean a surrender of British creatives' work by this Labour government.

It would mean the lobbying by big US tech firms had succeeded, and the protests of the UK's creatives had been ignored.People's work is not the government's to give away.

If you're in the UK and you care about creatives and the creative industries, please write to your MP!
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Donryu said:
Wish I knew what call to action to offer for my UK friends, but man... No person who advocates for this deserves a a night's rest for the rest of their lives.

*throws numbers about impending AI disaster in the US and upended jobs*
UK House of Lords: "DUHHH LETS DO THAT THING I GUESS I DON'T READ NUMBERS THEY ARE HARD"
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The Ultimate Ramotith said:
There are rumours it is considering introducing a 'commercial research exception' for AI training. This would be disastrous. It would mean handing the life's work of British creatives to AI companies for free, to train their models on.

In the House of Lords today, a government minister refused to rule this out.To be clear, this would amount to legalising theft. It would fly in the face of public opinion on what is fair, and would mean a surrender of British creatives' work by this Labour government.
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Total copyright death. Anyone else find it hilariously ironic that the UK, the antithesis of free speech, is somehow gung-ho about this? At this rate companies will have more rights than the British people :lol: I wonder if they're trying to get in on the AI boom, even though Europe only has one decent AI company (Mistral) and that's made by the French..
 
Runch said:
Maybe. What's wrong with that? If you're making something significant enough that you want to copyright it, why wouldn't you document it? If someone sues you over a drawing and says you didn't draw it, how do you prove that you did draw it?
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Hard to tell if it's significant as you are generating it, and recording your desktop constantly with nothing else going on the whole time is impractical if not lolcow territory. Doesn't really dawn on you that you have something until you are about halfway there.

Not to be a subject-changing nigger but with AI music they are saying record entire process and ideally re-record as much as you can of whatever you get generated. I can't think of anything more flow breaking for creatives. Going to record yourself on the bus coming up with sick lines to spit in your dis track? Stuff like SUNO's terms say it's not yours even if its yours and you uploaded your own existing material to use, You have license to distribute your output but that is their copyright or someone else's copyright probably 'if' it's infringing which it might be if it sounds any good. So also not their copyright anyway, and if fused with your human material you know. Complicated. Requiring precedent. At least in music everyone is willing to sue everyone else.
 
YautjaWeeb said:
Hard to tell if it's significant as you are generating it, and recording your desktop constantly with nothing else going on the whole time is impractical if not lolcow territory. Doesn't really dawn on you that you have something until you are about halfway there.
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Like I said in the post, you don't have to record it. There's no reason not to keep every gen for months or years, they don't take up that much space relative to the terabytes everyone has now. I have gens from this time last year on this computer right now. The metadata is recorded with the gen. I'm the only one possessing the original file with the exact prompt and seed which will re-create that exact image or video. The person disputing it has nothing and could not reproduce it.

Waifuwars said:
Total copyright death. Anyone else find it hilariously ironic that the UK, the antithesis of free speech, is somehow gung-ho about this? At this rate companies will have more rights than the British people :lol: I wonder if they're trying to get in on the AI boom, even though Europe only has one decent AI company (Mistral) and that's made by the French..
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AI is kind of the new quiet colonizer. If everyone uses American models, they're going to inherently be rooted in American values like free speech, and potentially tell the Brits all the mean naughty statistics about problems in their country, or be impartial about topics the government wants partisan politics baked into. I could totally see a pathetic attempt at a "British leading model for Brits" so they're not forced to get injected with 🇺🇲FREEDOM🇺🇲
 
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Speaking of AI derangement (crossposting this in the thread which I didn't realize we had for this lolcow community)...
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Waifuwars said:
Total copyright death. Anyone else find it hilariously ironic that the UK, the antithesis of free speech, is somehow gung-ho about this? At this rate companies will have more rights than the British people :lol: I wonder if they're trying to get in on the AI boom, even though Europe only has one decent AI company (Mistral) and that's made by the French..
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This is pretty depressing considering that Mistral isn't even that great. It was legendary back in early 2023 due to having been the King of Open-Source RP, but that's essentially it. Their largest models (Mistral Large 3) can't even lay a finger on most modern AIs (and being fr*nch doesn't help their case..),

In other words, Europe will remain a tourist in the AI arms race (and the UK is cucking its own citizens for nothing), which to this day is exclusively fought between America and China (unless some God-tier Aryan Gigachad developer in Europe wakes the fuck up and creates something that can beat the likes of Gemini 3, GLM-5, Qwen-3.5.. etc).

Guess we can only speculate and see where this goes..
 
Paul Revere Pantry Raider said:
Minor cross-post.

Anthropic has removed Sonnet 4.5 from available models for Claude. You'll have to trust me bro, because I can't take a screenshot with "More models" open. Only Opus 4.5 and Opus 3 are now available (in the submenu). Was this due to 4o fallouts? Who knows!?

4.6 has only been available for a couple of weeks.

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Avroboros said:
(and the UK is cucking its own citizens for nothing)
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Only if you assume training constitutes infringement, when all evidence points to it being non-infringing, except in cases of overtraining.

Training should be free everywhere. Models learn basically nothing from a single work. Artists need to prove that something copyrightable of theirs was literally copied into the model. If they can't, they should fuck off.
 
Runch said:
Only if you assume training constitutes infringement, when all evidence points to it being non-infringing, except in cases of overtraining.

Training should be free everywhere. Models learn basically nothing from a single work. Artists need to prove that something copyrightable of theirs was literally copied into the model. If they can't, they should fuck off.
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More time, creative effort and money has been spent on combating overfitting to training data than the all the "artists" whining have expended their entire lives combined.
 
Avroboros said:
In other words, Europe will remain a tourist in the AI arms race (and the UK is cucking its own citizens for nothing), which to this day is exclusively fought between America and China (unless some God-tier Aryan Gigachad developer in Europe wakes the fuck up and creates something that can beat the likes of Gemini 3, GLM-5, Qwen-3.5.. etc).
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Training data + GDPR = corporate suicide. Europe doesn't even have social media sites of consequence and its been around for 20 years. Would take a war effort in funding and impossible eurocrat co-operation.

Only way it could get traction would be like LLMs that are uncensored or questionable ethics. Maybe the Germans put out 120b of art school dropout stuff for the UK lads who may now disagree with grandpa on a few things. I'd try it. Would have to be niche just to get mocked and be on the bottom rung.
 
Waifuwars said:
Anyone else find it hilariously ironic that the UK, the antithesis of free speech, is somehow gung-ho about this?
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Simple explanation. They see that trump is hyping up ai and want to copy it because they think it'll create some californishire. None of the retards in parliament understand how any technology works, it is a fucking miracle that they can even use a landline phone let alone a smartphone. I doubt they even understand how copyright works either. They are just desperately trying to drive any sort of economic growth because the writing on the wall is incredibly clear that we can no longer keep importing murderous rapists to boost gdp and that basically the entire economy is not just about to collapse but is already collapsing and instead of doing anything about it they keep trying to prop it up with shit that will only make it more severe when it does collapse.

Oh yea also the government already uses ai facial recognition and would love to use it to further surveil and censor the general public. This isn't a fuck disney move, this is a fuck the public move that also just so happens to fuck disney.
Runch said:
potentially tell the Brits all the mean naughty statistics about problems in their country, or be impartial about topics the government wants partisan politics baked into
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Yea you can have access to the american models that tell you the truth. But first we need your entire government id and national insurance number and also you must sign in to the site using your email (also id verified) and without using a vpn. You know just so you don't rape any kids is all. Unless that shit fits on a usb stick and runs on a nokia so you can smuggle them in like it's fucking north korea then it's just going to be censored by the government anyway.
 
Tin Foil Hatter said:
The leftist artists have been the most vocal and violent gatekeepers in the culture war. Creativity is NOT the left's strong point so they have actively sabotaged and destroyed anything that went against their dogma. Well we no longer need them, and they KNOW their days are numbered. In the past if you wanted to create an image for a D and D monster or character, and could not draw, you paid some smug faggot to do it and MAYBE they would finish it in a timely matter. Don't need them anymore. it's free and the AI does a better job.
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I'll say it again just to add to this
Art became a sweet spot for the uncreative to laze through life comfortably despite only a small percentage of free lancers can make "liveable" money off art while the rest have the scrounge for commissions every year. Of course this is their fault for not treating art as a side project and not as a full job so any threat to that comfort has to be treated like defcon 2. Most of these types waste too much time alienating everyone they come across by spewing the same political garbage and treating any like towards A.I as a personal attack on their being which isn't new but we've reached a culmination of what started in like the mid 2010s where a lot of these types got their homes on tumblr and slowly became more radicalized, loud and annoying.
 
Path Wanderer said:
Even though AI slop is what it is, I am very fond of The Shape Store

My compromise position is that vids like these are good proof of concept / rookie drafts come to life, and that with luck they could and should bring about actual artists to continue the concept into real works
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This video, from what I've seen, got great reception from the normies. Nailed the dreamlike aesthetic a lot better than lots of human content creators have, showed a coherent idea without explicitly telling, and subtly satirized some things that you couldn't get away with poking at if you were a large team.

The Shape Store is legitimately something else, man. Pristine theatrics.
 
Phrasing it like a preference that needs to be respected...from the kind of people who would gleefully harass and try to shame someone who would prefer to have cool AI art, or functional AI art that serves their purposes for a project, than an ugly drawing they made themselves which is just an exercise in frustration at your own limitations.
 
The Ultimate Ramotith said:
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I'll take 500 for "this definitely happened and 100% real" for this Jeopardy, Jennings. I love how they're NOW embracing ugly art when before hand they wouldn't nudge a batting eye at any beginner's reasonably amateur art because they KNOW it's bad. Now it'll start becoming common to glaze bad art because "at least it wasn't made with AI". I've seen posted drawings on Twitter that looks like it was drawn by a preschooler getting mass amounts of attention with the ONLY reason being "It's not AI! Look at this PASSION! SO MUCH CREATIVITY FLOWING!".

Way to lower your standards. But hey, that's one way to give said amateur artist a massive ego for something they know they have years down the line to improve on.

I'm not taking several years off my life to be able to finally visualize how I want my dream projects to appear. AI assists in a lot of my creative endeavors and has allowed me to better brainstorm things that would usually be a genuine struggle to visualize onto paper. It's because of AI that I achieved a lot of things I knew would've taken years or hundreds of dollars lost commissioning people to achieve. Now I can do all of it for free as long as I have a decent GPU in place.

People really undermine the potential AI has for creativity. But like with many technological advances, it'll mainly be used for grifting and selling a quick buck, and thus, only be seen in a negative light. I don't blame people's hatred for it. I get them. But at the same time, AI itself has gradually lessen as an actual benefit, becoming more of a boogeyman for entitled lefties mad they're not sniping $250/uncolored sketch from their paypigs anymore and a mere annoyance/irritant for normies. I shouldn't have to keep something as generating a stupid image to myself as if I'm keeping unauthorized war documents. That's how it is, though, and I personally don't mind.
 
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