Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Napoleon III]

I'm not going to hold me my breath, because the tardshield is strong on this one.

I think there is something you are missing.

At this point it does not even matter if he prevails in his copyright claims. The counter claims will nullify any monetary gains he hopes to collect. Worse, the counter claim plaintiff is also demanding a Jury Trial. Which means the tard guarding is over. Greer may get his wish and the court wash their hands of this mess and schedule a trial date on all issues. His claims and the counter claims.

I think this is true but you didn't explain the point enough in my opinion.

The thinking behind this case on the judge's part is likely that they don't want to make any kind of decision that could end up being overturned by the 10th circuit. So they want a Jury trial. Judges like Jury decisions because they didn't make any big decisions but the jury did completely removing responsibility for the outcome of the case. But Null and Hardin don't want a jury trial for two reasons, its expensive even if they win and they are worried about being fucked over by the judges. Null should win a trial but if the judges rules against him enough then he could possibly lose. The judges have made promises and fucked over Null repeatedly so this is not a paranoid fear. So this case is stuck in limbo.

This counter-claim allows Null and Hardin to accomplish 3 things they want. First is it allows Null and Hardin to see if the judges are actually trying to bend the rules to screw over Null by abusing the legal process. It could be the judges are just protecting themselves in this case. If not then at least Null and Hardin know it is completely unfair and can proceed along those lines. Secondly if the judges are just covering their asses this allows Null and Hardin to conduct a jury trial that they would obviously win which would allow the judges to wash their hands of this case and the consequences of it without being slapped by the 10th. The final thing is this would allow Null to actually make some money off of Russel Greer which would recoup at least some losses making the jury trial less expensive.

I thought at least some of this was clear when I made my short little post after this happened. I guess I should have elaborated. This is why I feel optimistic even if there is a chance this doesn't end up accomplishing much.

 

[ConSluttant]

I still can't believe it's basically allowed(as in not severely punished immediately) for the opposition in a legal case to just constantly target the lawyer and try to have them disbarred, contacting their firm, constantly demanding the judge to remove the specific opposition lawyer, it seems like something that should be legally coded in as obvious malice since it's literally obvious malice because if there was any merit in their own case they would be more concerned with the details and evidence their providing rather than trying to snipe the enemy lawyer lol

I see it more and more frequently. In a Florida case involving the same exact Magistrate Judge who kicked this shit-show back to Utah, the Defendant's lawyer keeps trying to get the Plaintiff's lawyer kicked off the case, even going so far as to accuse him of fraud upon the court in counterclaims. It is also the same sort of situation in a disbarment hearing of another lawyer in Florida back in 2016 because he was conspiring to get opponent's counsel arrested so that he would be thrown off the case as well. Turns out that the bar takes unkindly to lawyers trying to get other lawyers arrested for fraudulent reasons. Go figure.

 

[.iota.]

The judges in this case have had very little sympathy for his claims to have missed/ignored ECF auto notifications

auto notifications

lol. literally.

 

[Niall Meanwhile]

Years ago null said (I don't remember post or matI) that he would bring the whole system down with him.

That's my retarded ooperater!

It was prolly this cringey, Andrew Blaze-tier quote, and it was right here in this fine thread

It keeps me going, knowing that the world will be so much worse off after I'm through with it.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

ECF 458


The Magistrate got scared of discovery, and paused it until he resolves every other pending issue.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

All pending motions? Pack it up, bros.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Well now I know the legal term for "heat death of the universe" so there's that.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

All pending motions? Pack it up, bros.

Bennett will either resolve every issue, or be found dead via suicide a week later. Honestly, I understand why the latter might seem tempting for him. Hell, I wouldn't want to be in this position.

 

[Allied-Mastercomputer]

All pending motions? I don’t know if the judges can write judgements that fast. By the time they’re done, 5 more motions to “undo the thing that was done” will appear on the docket.

 

[DHugo]

ECF 458
View attachment 8784933

The Magistrate got scared of discovery, and paused it until he resolves every other pending issue.

We're so back nothing ever happens bros

 

[Sneedfully and Peacefully]

if I were a prudent sort of judge I'd pick the ones I could rule on and then deny swathes of them as moot where able. Why trudge through 20 plightsperging filings when you can rule on one or two and call them all moot because you did/didn't grant the originating issue? Like all the sperging about witness disclosure and removing Hardin.

 

[DavidS877]

So, the next thing we can actually expect is Greeeeeee's response to the counterclaim and reply to the answer I think. In addition to whatever unscheduled reeeeeee-ing that may be filed.

We won't hear from the court until 2027 at the earliest.

 

[obsdj]

"At that time, the court will lift the stay and address scheduling."

Which would seem to indicate that all pending motions related to dismissing the case for refusal to obey orders will be denied, or at least addressed in such a way as to keep the fucking case open, with gritted teeth and determination to plow ahead to jury trial regardless of Greer's continuing recalcitrance. Fuck me.

 

[LiquidChrisRespecter]

Of course they'd give Shitlips a reprieve right when needling him with one of his many lolsuits would be the most beneficial.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

We're so back nothing ever happens bros

Except the court has dropped a "a lot of funnys gonna be happening, boyyyyyyys" on us. Bennett has decided to resolve this all himself. That's a step up from them not doing shit like before.

 

[DavidS877]

"At that time, the court will lift the stay and address scheduling."

Which would seem to indicate that all pending motions related to dismissing the case for refusal to obey orders will be denied, or at least addressed in such a way as to keep the fucking case open, with gritted teeth and determination to plow ahead to jury trial regardless of Greer's continuing recalcitrance. Fuck me.

Not necessarily. They can dismiss the claim but do discovery on the counterclaim. They're effectively stuck with two lawsuits now.
Rainbow stickers below.

 

[the khat quaffer]

Left us outside in the cold holding our cocks again. Great.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Except the court has dropped a "a lot of funnys gonna be happening, boyyyyyyys" on us. Bennett has decided to resolve this all himself. That's a step up from them not doing shit like before.

So we're in a Tardin situation? I'll see it when I believe it.

Posting "I will rule on the outstanding motions and there never will be a scheduling conference" would give the plot away, so I understand the red text worded as is either way.

I wonder if Greer "missed" the counterclaim and is going to sperg out at the judge for daring to say the stay is still valid? How can there be a stay on discovery when Plaintiff is homeless and can't discover a place to stay?

 

[AnOminous]

Except the court has dropped a "a lot of funnys gonna be happening, boyyyyyyys" on us. Bennett has decided to resolve this all himself. That's a step up from them not doing shit like before.

I'll believe it when I see it. These two judges are as reliable as Nick Rekieta.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I wonder if Greer "missed" the counterclaim and is going to sperg out at the judge for daring to say the stay is still valid? How can there be a stay on discovery when Plaintiff is homeless and can't discover a place to stay?

Greer filed a motion begging the court to maintain the stay, so I'm not sure he's gonna complain rn