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[TheAmbiguousLurker]

So, what's the deets on the plot of the leaked Avatar movie? The plot is mid, sure, but how mid exactly is the question. I want to be spoiled like hell here. Fuck the franchise.

It's the Avatar equivalent of a Dragon Ball, non-canon straight-to-video movie.

Spoiler

Aang finds an even more ancient air bender in ice.

Tagah is a disciple of an ancient avatar that somehow can't be reached by Aang.

The ancient avatar had a staff that gives people airbending but her people were lost to the earth kingdom in a war.

Aang and Tagah want to find the staff and bring back the air nomads.

Aang and Tagah bond over both having experienced their people being slaughtered and on the brink of being lost.

Tagah reveals that he won't accept peace with the other nations that butchered the air nomads and wants to use the staff to rebuild the Air Nation Empire and kills the gang.

The gang get resurrected because they just so happened to land in spirit water.

Aang and Tagah get juiced up on the staff's power for big anime showdown.

Aang has to stop himself from executing Tagah for perverting his dream but Tagah dies anyway when Aang destroys the staff and thus any chance of the air nomads being restored in Aang's life time.

Aang decides that, even if he can't bring back air benders, he can ensure that their teachings and culture aren't lost and builds a new air temple.

Other characters and a diet equalist faction exist; they do not matter at all.

 

[Gorillion others]

It's the Avatar equivalent of a Dragon Ball, non-canon straight-to-video movie.

Spoiler

Aang finds an even more ancient air bender in ice.

Tagah is a disciple of an ancient avatar that somehow can't be reached by Aang.

The ancient avatar had a staff that gives people airbending but her people were lost to the earth kingdom in a war.

Aang and Tagah want to find the staff and bring back the air nomads.

Aang and Tagah bond over both having experienced their people being slaughtered and on the brink of being lost.

Tagah reveals that he won't accept peace with the other nations that butchered the air nomads and wants to use the staff to rebuild the Air Nation Empire and kills the gang.

The gang get resurrected because they just so happened to land in spirit water.

Aang and Tagah get juiced up on the staff's power for big anime showdown.

Aang has to stop himself from executing Tagah for perverting his dream but Tagah dies anyway when Aang destroys the staff and thus any chance of the air nomads being restored in Aang's life time.

Aang decides that, even if he can't bring back air benders, he can ensure that their teachings and culture aren't lost and builds a new air temple.

Other characters and a diet equalist faction exist; they do not matter at all.

So, it's basically just Korra. Wow, no wonder the animation carried it.

 

[DYLAN ‘DIELAWN’ VOLK]

And even they made the manly straight Kakyoin into a genderless angel/literally woman by any other name for their uke/seme dynamic as well! Fujoshits are one gigantic hive mind at this point. Reminder that CLAMP is very pro lolicon/shotacon and there is a special pit in hell for these pedophilic faghags to burn in

I always saw the angel as an awkward woman, and read the series multiple times as a teen. It was hard to get physical manga at the time, especially shoujo. I wasn't fujo poisoned or self aware enough to not see her as a tomboy that was somehow loved despite being skinny and flat and weak. I was coping. Knowing what I know now as an adult, I really didn't get what they were going for because I always felt that her not being able to be as feminine as she wanted to be was relatable because she felt it didn't suit her even though she and other angels were clearly written as women. I had no idea this was just yaoi until I was older lmao. The angels being genderless but the familiars of the bisexual devil looking cute always bothered me cuz I like Kohaku but they were always mogging her.
CLAMP kinda sucks despite being weeb iconic.

 

[Gorillion others]

It's the Avatar equivalent of a Dragon Ball, non-canon straight-to-video movie.

Spoiler

Aang finds an even more ancient air bender in ice.

Tagah is a disciple of an ancient avatar that somehow can't be reached by Aang.

The ancient avatar had a staff that gives people airbending but her people were lost to the earth kingdom in a war.

Aang and Tagah want to find the staff and bring back the air nomads.

Aang and Tagah bond over both having experienced their people being slaughtered and on the brink of being lost.

Tagah reveals that he won't accept peace with the other nations that butchered the air nomads and wants to use the staff to rebuild the Air Nation Empire and kills the gang.

The gang get resurrected because they just so happened to land in spirit water.

Aang and Tagah get juiced up on the staff's power for big anime showdown.

Aang has to stop himself from executing Tagah for perverting his dream but Tagah dies anyway when Aang destroys the staff and thus any chance of the air nomads being restored in Aang's life time.

Aang decides that, even if he can't bring back air benders, he can ensure that their teachings and culture aren't lost and builds a new air temple.

Other characters and a diet equalist faction exist; they do not matter at all.

I just watched the whole thing. Holy fuck, did it blow. It's basically a TikTok movie.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Why a TV network? Why not make a streaming service or make a deal with a streaming service?

Probably gonna test the waters since a streaming sevice carries a heavier price to pay if it fails.

peepoodo

Oh ffs sake why did you remind me THAT exists?




Edit regaurding recent site news.


Sorry the gif usage boss, won't happen again.

 

[The Great One]

Oh ffs sake why did you remind me THAT exists?

I got reminded when in the cartoon industry thread someone mentioned that the company that animated that travesty: bobbypills was working on the amazing world of gumball reboot. Which means they might have animated that troon looking gumball in one of the episodes

 

[H A G]

Regarding the Avatar movie,

• I felt like the antagonist, Tagah, was an unholy mixture of all 4 main antagonists from Korra. He's an evil air nomad (Zaheer) with the ethno-nationalist angle that really hates Republic City (Kuvira) who ends up being powered by dark spirit energy (Unalaq) and leading a bunch of non-benders into a terrorist revolution (Amon).
• The characters have been flanderized, especially Sokka and Toph who embody the words "zany" and "boss-bitch" respectively. I don't know if it's possible to write characters approaching the depth of the original in only 98 minutes, but that's also why I think the movie should not have been made
• It is hard for me to like anything about Toph because her canon ending is becoming a deadbeat mom to two daughters sired by two different men. This is irreconcilable without throwing Legend of Korra completely into the trash
• In general the lore and writing is caught by all the terrible decisions from Korra. For example, Aang enters a super spirit powered avatar state that apparently starts corrupting him. How is this possible with the spirit of all darkness, Vaatu being stuck in a tree for about 60 more years until some dumb retarded bitch sets him free? Or is spirit energy inherently corrupting to mortals? But how can the bridge between the spirit realm and human realm be so easily corrupted just by spirit energy? And also, shouldn't the Avatar spirit, confirmed to be the spirit of light, be an inherent resistor to corruption?
• The voice actors are really stiff, relative to the original performances and to the level of exaggeration the animation is at. I found myself wishing that a Japanese dub had leaked alongside the movie.
• Why did the dumb Indian female Avatar go on Do Not Disturb but get mad that Aang let the 1488 Airbender she locked up go? If she didn't want that to happen, she'd at least warn future avatars instead of ducking. Even fucking Korra, after severing the link between avatars forever, tried to write a diary about her life for the next Avatar. We are 2 for 2 with brown women avatars being complete incompetent retards.
• The Indian female Avatar was also responsible for creating this staff that Tagah really wants to revive airbending to take revenge on the other elements. If she can seal it away, why didn't she just snap it in half like Aang does at the end of the movie? Why didn't she just kill Tagah instead of leaving him in an ice crystal for 5000 years?
• The movie ends with Aang finding more air bison. I never read the comics but I thought this was something that had already happened in the comics?
• The movie alleges that all elements did live together in harmony up until the time of Indian Avatar, when the Earth Kingdom separated and started attacking the other elements. This makes no sense since the tribes are not distributed evenly geographically. Logically the water tribe would be the first to separate since they live at the poles and it isnt exactly easy living there without water bending.
• Why is it that Aang's desire to revive the airbenders is portrayed as folly and misguided, but Korra's revival of the airbenders is portrayed as her greatest act? Korra got the city attacked by the fucking Dark Avatar btw and all Aang had to do was be selective on who he granted airbending to.

TL;DR: The writing is simply not good enough for a successful reboot. Its too reliant on fan-service. In my view adventure stories are special because of how the events characters encounter end up affecting their personal development and beliefs and relationships, but the movie is written more like a sequence of fun wacky and zany moments with your favorite action figures from two decades ago.

Spoiler: continued ranting

- Spirit energy is treated as retarded magic that can do anything the story wants. This is somehow a stepdown from Korra making spirits the noble savages whilst also adding star wars light/dark duality to the mix, which was already a stepdown from the animist naturalistic depiction of spirits in the original.
- I really don't like that airbenders have always been naive pacifists. Tagah is full "we must secure the existence of airbenders" because earthbenders were killing peaceful air envoys. Avatar Yangchen tells Aang to kill Ozai so it's not like there's no precedent
- The creators seem insecure that TLA's worldbuilding was based around segregated nations. They seem to want to clarify at every turn that integrating the tribes is harmonious and the true natural state of things. This is at odds with the idea of an endlessly reanimating Avatar, which suggests that harmony is a matter of maintenance and not finding the "one true solution" to human relations.
- This is absolutely a nitpick as only weirdoes who post on KiwiFarms and know what "JQ" stands for will pick this up, but it is really weird to me that the intermixed experiment in Republic City is portrayed as a top-down push from elites (just like real life). Wouldn't you want to emphasize that Republic City was a natural emergent process to prove it was harmonious?

 

[A Grey Cat]

I got reminded when in the cartoon industry thread someone mentioned that the company that animated that travesty: bobbypills was working on the amazing world of gumball reboot. Which means they might have animated that troon looking gumball in one of the episodes

It's also why the new season definitely has more "eat the rich vibes " as of late.....by the way can someone be so kind as to look up what the net worth of some the the top names at bobbypills is if it's publicly available?



Just saying....its up there with vivziepop putting "corporate America bad" messages in helluva boss when she is backed by Amazon and one of the richest billionaires on earth to produce her shows.


Or in other words glass house? Than don't throw stones.

 

[The Great One]

It's also why the new season definitely has more "eat the rich vibes " as of late.....by the way can someone be so kind as to look up what the net worth of some the the top names at bobbypills is if it's publicly available?



Just saying....its up there with vivziepop putting "corporate America bad" messages in helluva boss when she is backed by Amazon and one of the richest billionaires on earth to produce her shows.


Or in other words glass house? Than don't throw stones.

you wanna know what else that french company worked on....... invincible, and 2 dc capeshit shows: creature commando's and the adult swim superman show that got popular because they made lois lane a brown and everyone wanted to fuck that brown bitch. oh and the ubisoft show where they made rayman "dark and edgy" by making him eat sushi off a naked cow woman.

 

[Gorillion others]

Regarding the Avatar movie,

Not to mention those deny guys. What the fuck? It's so badly/safely written that they can't even be bothered to flesh out the characters anymore. The main villain pretty much is a mix of all three, and I can't believe how overly derivative the franchise has become. It's pretty much a confirmation that it's just a zombie now. The animation is what carried it most of the way, but if it hadn't, it would have been a complete death sentence. Why do they have to keep humiliating themselves with this?

And then they want to have a mixed bag that it isn't bending that makes a people. Sure, guys. Have your cake and eat it too.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

The Indian female Avatar was also responsible for creating this staff that Tagah really wants to revive airbending to take revenge on the other elements. If she can seal it away, why didn't she just snap it in half like Aang does at the end of the movie? Why didn't she just kill Tagah instead of leaving him in an ice crystal for 5000 years?

The movie does address this. She still wanted the power of the staff realized and for Tagah to be shown the light down the line, she hid the staff away on the hope that another avatar would use it to restore her people and ends the movie congratulating Aang for being able to let go of the power when she couldn't.

 

[FrogMinutes]

No sane person would want to deal with drawing hundreds if not thousands of images for a single project.

the parts where you actually have to think a lot is when you're planning your keyframes and getting the timing down.
The other 80% is mindless clean up work where you can have something playing in the background.

all of art is like that.

 

[Colon capital V]

>Makes a good show once
>every single successor/adaptation after is complete shit.
Can you name any other series that is as RAPEd as Avatar?

 

[A Grey Cat]

you wanna know what else that french company worked on....... invincible, and 2 dc capeshit shows: creature commando's and the adult swim superman show that got popular because they made lois lane a brown and everyone wanted to fuck that brown bitch. oh and the ubisoft show where they made rayman "dark and edgy" by making him eat sushi off a naked cow woman.

And the French wonder why we hate them so much and don't pity them as sand monkeys and pajeets turn their country into a cess pool.

>Makes a good show once
>every single successor/adaptation after is complete shit.
Can you name any other series that is as RAPEd as Avatar?

Shamyalyans Last Airbender movie really should have been the nail in the series coffin.

 

[Cups2Cups]

i fucking hate xitter, SO GODDAMN MUCH.
So someone made a video on "why do artists make porn on xitter" and everyone and their mother on xitter is going on about how "muh, nsfw artists are fine and nice people, they like drawing porn because of anatomy, the money, and for the hell of it."
even fucking pringus mcdingus had something to say

Spoiler: Pringus's response

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I'm not the only one who finds this retarded am i?, hell the thumbnail features that french fuck who made peepoodo.

I regret to inform you as being an artsy type that yes, people who draw erotica are usually pretty nice. They have other personality flaws though they don’t show the public.

But don’t worry, There are also mean conservative types that draw furry porn as well like Jay Naylor or whatever his name is.

 

[H A G]

The movie does address this. She still wanted the power of the staff realized and for Tagah to be shown the light down the line, she hid the staff away on the hope that another avatar would use it to restore her people and ends the movie congratulating Aang for being able to let go of the power when she couldn't.

I must've stopped paying attention because I don't remember this, but I don't think the movie's explanation works when considering that hiding the staff and being unreachable by future avatars is inconsistent with wanting the staff to be used for restoration and redemption, both of which are time sensitive goals typically. Also the primary reason the Avatar is able to do its job is power and the staff as an object of corruption doesn't work. If it wants to be power corrupts, it has to explain why the lion turtles didn't get crazy and why, to our knowledge, most past Avatars didn't go crazy. I dont even think Indian Girl Avatar went crazy with it at all. She just made really baffling and really stupid choices because she's constrained by prior worldbuilding into doing nothing of importance.

 

[Gorillion others]

I must've stopped paying attention because I don't remember this, but I don't think the movie's explanation works when considering that hiding the staff and being unreachable by future avatars is inconsistent with wanting the staff to be used for restoration and redemption, both of which are time sensitive goals typically. Also the primary reason the Avatar is able to do its job is power and the staff as an object of corruption doesn't work. If it wants to be power corrupts, it has to explain why the lion turtles didn't get crazy and why, to our knowledge, most past Avatars didn't go crazy. I dont even think Indian Girl Avatar went crazy with it at all. She just made really baffling and really stupid choices because she's constrained by prior worldbuilding into doing nothing of importance.

Yeah. They tried to make something "deep", but ended up with so much recycled shit.

 

[Cryogonal2]

>Makes a good show once
>every single successor/adaptation after is complete shit.
Can you name any other series that is as RAPEd as Avatar?

Ren and Stimpy

 

[The Great One]

Ren and Stimpy

Ren and Stimpy to paramount is tainted goods, no remaster (which idk if it needs tbh), they haven't released the godawful remake (probably for the best), and no full way of watching the series unless its through piracy or a very old dvd box set.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

You kind of have to be some level of freak to get into animation in the first place. No sane person would want to deal with drawing hundreds if not thousands of images for a single project.

I don't know about now, but back then I could see why someone would want to be an animator. In fact as a kid I always wanted to be an animator and make my own cartoon.

If you were a 90's kid born in the late 80's you pretty much experienced a renaissance of animation take place right before your eyes. Before that, cartoons were only being made on already existing properties to sell toys, and a bunch of them (outside of things like the New Adventures of Mighty Mouse) had that stiff animation that looked bland. But then along comes Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network, where both companies decide to stop airing only old stuff and give new artists a chance to shine. It's how we wound up with the trio of Doug/Rugrats/Ren'n'Stimpy on Nick At Night. It's how we wound up with everything that aired on the "What A Cartoon!" show. That's not even counting the stuff that DiC and FOX was spewing out on other channels, not to mention the things Disney was doing. And then you learn about the crew in the artists team in the behind the scenes footage and you hear about how everyone was having fun and enjoying themselves and how companies allowed them to go nuts with their ideas, even if some of them got cut, the fact that they were still allowed to think outside the box is good enough.

If you were the creative type (like I am), it gave you a sense of hope and excitement that maybe, just maybe, one day you too could make something as awesome as that. With a little imagination and talent, even if it meant drawing the same thing over and over again, it would be worth it in the long run. It made you want to be a part of something exciting and be in a team of like-minded people that shared your interests. Even if the pay was sucky, you were doing something that you loved, and that (IMO) is all that really mattered in life.