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P: Thursday, January 9th, 12:24 p.m. TFO Michelle Crandall and Megan Davenport at Collins Correctional Facility, interviewing Hunter Burnette.
Hi, Hunter. So Hunter, my name is Megan Davenport. This is Michelle Crandall. We want to have a conversation with you, but before we can do that, because we're in this facility, we've got to read you your rights before we can have the conversation with you, okay?
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P: So before we ask you any questions, you must understand your rights. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you in court. You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice before we ask you any questions. You have the right to have a lawyer with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you without any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer questions now without a lawyer present, you have the right to stop answering at any time. Right? Are you okay to have a conversation with us?
If we start talking and you don't want to talk to us, you don't have to. But we've just got to make sure you understand what we read. You understand?
Can you say yes?
H: Yes.
P: Okay. Well, no, it's your choice. It's your choice. We just need you to vocalize your choice. You're not in trouble with us. Like, you know, we're not taking you anywhere. You're going to go back afterwards. We just think that you might be able to help us with some information. And we thought we'd sit down and have a conversation. We can explain why we're here. But because you're in this facility, we have to read you your rights and make sure you understand them. And you have the option whether you want to talk to us or whether you want to say "no thanks, see you later."
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P: So we just need to make sure. I see you nodding your head. I just want to make sure you're- Okay. Are you willing to talk to us?
H: Er, Okay.
P: Okay. All right. So back in January. I believe that's when parole met with you and took your phone, right? So we're here today to talk to you about what was on your phone and to see if you can help us determine where those images came from, maybe who created those images and how you obtained them. You know what I'm referring to?
H: No.
P: Okay, so there were some images on your phone. Okay. And again, there really wasn't many.
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P: Our concern are these people who are sending them out or receiving them. Obviously, people who have a terabyte versus your 7 images. That's kind of where we're trying to gather intel and see who's finding these images, who's sending them out, are people asking for payment, stuff like that. I know you know about, again, it's a very limited amount of images. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Listen, I think you spent some time in here trying to get right and get over this shit. That's my opinion of you in the first 5 minutes that we've been sitting here.
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P: That's my thought is that, you know, maybe you were into some of this stuff, you came here, got your mind right, and you got some help, or at least started talking to some people, and you're trying to get rid of this. I know you're nodding your head. Am I somewhat close?
H: I just want to go home.
P: I get it. You're almost done, right? Almost out of here? Okay. Has this been a problem looking at images of minors for a long time? How long has it been going on?
H: I was first arrested when I was 14.
P: Okay. I don't know much about your history. So what happened when you were 14?
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H: Same thing.
P: Same thing. So this time around probation caught some images. Did they talk to you about them? Did you get a chance to try to explain how they ended up on your phone? Did you find any kids? Did you meet any kids in person? You're not that kind of guy, right? Hunter, you're the, you know, "we like what we like sometimes and we can't help it". Are you just the guy that stumbled upon this? Are you paying for it? How's it getting out there?
H: I don't know anything about that.
P: Okay. So I'm not going to show you the direct image, but I'm sure you'll remember what I'm referring to. But this was on your phone.
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P: Do you remember this one? No? Okay. What about that one? No. What about this one? I mean, this is your chance to help these kids. You know what I'm saying? Like if you're truly, you want to make a clean break from this and you want to make sure that this doesn't pop in again. And we're here to try to stop all this. So when you got the images, how were you going about it?
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P: Were there certain websites you went to? You're okay. No one knows about this stuff except for the 3 of us sitting here. We're not going to go tell anyone else. I know this is... But you got these images somehow. You know these images. We're trying to find out how they got on your stuff.
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P: Did you buy it?
H: No.
P: Okay. Did somebody send it to you? No? Did you just happen to find it and download it to save it for later? Or were you going to try and find this kid and do the same things to him? You tell me.
H: I don't know what that it is. I don't know what those pictures are.
P: Okay. So you can't tell us how they got on your phone. So you've looked at child pornography before. You've had images before. And then your phone gets taken and somehow these images are on your phone.
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P: You didn't buy it. No one sent it to you. Did you create it?
H: No.
P: So can you help me try to understand how they got there? Listen, if this is just something, you know, somebody sent you and you're interested in it, and now you're trying to not be interested in it, I get it. Trying to turn a new leaf, start a new life, get out of here, and never look at it again. But that's somebody's kid. And if somebody sent it to you and said, "Hey, this is mine, this is what I do," I need to figure out who this person is.
H: I'd help you if I could, but I don't know.
P: Okay. Has somebody sent you stuff like this before?
H: Before parole (inaudible). It's what I'm here for.
P: Okay. So before parole locks you up recently, somebody sent you an image like this.
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P: You don't have to say these are the exact ones. If you don't remember them, you don't remember them. It's been quite some time, but somebody has sent you child pornography before.
H: That's what I'm here for.
P: Okay. That's what they violated you on parole for.
H: No, that's what I got charged with initially.
P: Okay.
H: In 2019.
P: But then you were out on parole. And you got put back here a year ago. What were you put back here a year ago for?
H: I plead out to absconding.
P: Okay. So when they took your phone from you and you got upset, it was because you had child pornography on your phone. I know that to be a fact. I mean, if you don't want to admit it, that's Okay, but I know that. There's no arguing that. What I'm trying to determine is how you got it.
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P: If somebody sent it and you liked it, wanted to look at it for later and that's it and that's the end of it and you were being stupid online and you saved something, whatever. I don't care about that. But if it was a plan with the father of the kid or, you know, your buddy to try to do it in real life, then I want to make sure it doesn't get that far. So which direction are we going?
H: There's no plan, there's no "in real life" anything. There's nothing like that.
P: Okay, so you just like to look at it.
H: I never said that either.
P: Why else would you have it on your phone? I don't care about that. I want to make sure that there's no kid in real life that's getting harmed right now.
H: No, there's not.
P: Or that you know of that was video streaming it or FaceTiming and doing it.
H: Nobody. I know nothing I can prevent happening. I don't know anything about it.
P: Okay. So somebody sent you the photo. You saved it. And that was it.
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P: Am I right in that?
H: I don't know how they got there.
P: You don't know how it got on your phone?
H: In a motel full of other sex offenders.
P: Did you let them use your phone?
H: At some point.
P: And you just left it on your camera roll? You talked on Twitter a lot. You had conversations about this stuff. This isn't my first go-around, Hunter. I understand that you're trying to change and you want to put this behind you. But I'm here to make sure that it doesn't happen again, and that there's not a real kid that you were trying to hook up to meet.
H: No.
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P: So if you're just being stupid online and saving some photos, and it was only 20 of them, whatever. But don't try to blame it on somebody else at the same hotel. Be real about it now and move on. Somebody sent you those photos and the person sending you those photos is abusing those children. And in order for us to backtrack it, we need to know where you got the photos from. You're an adult, you're past the stage of blaming other people.
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P: You're out of here soon. You're going to start a new life.
H: I don't know that anymore. I don't know that anymore.
P: Why?
H: Because all of it.
P: Listen, if you had a problem and you looked at some stuff and you saved some stuff and you want help.
H: I do want help.
P: Okay. I can respect that.
H: I've never harmed anyone in person before.
P: Okay. That's all I want to know. That makes me feel better. I can understand what kind of person you are now. I'm not here to bust on you and make you feel bad. Just here to understand how you got these.
H: If it came from someone, it's probably not whoever, you know, took the pictures and stuff.
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P: Okay.
H: Stuff just circulates. I can never tell where it comes from.
P: Okay. Do you download it when they send it to you? Like, save it and delete it later? What do you do? Do you exchange images with people, like they send you some and you send them some?
H: No.
P: So you just receive them and save them? Or find them online and then save them?
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P: Is that all that happens? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I know you're shaking your head. I want to know about it. That's why we sat us down here and not up front, right? We want this to be a private conversation so we can understand where you're coming from. No one else is going to know why we're here. No one else is going to know what this conversation's about.
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P: You're not taking the stuff. You're not taking the picture, right? You're not sending them out to other people. You're not the one abusing the kids. So if I'm hearing you right, sometimes people send you stuff. How do they send it to you? What are they using?
H: Anything you could ask, I wouldn't really remember very much.
P: What makes you not remember, just out of curiosity?
H: Well, I already have a bad memory.
P: Okay. Okay.
H: And being in this place, I don't know.
P: That's fair enough.
H: It affects you.
P: Yeah.
H: But at the end of the day, I wouldn't know exactly how anything was sent or who sent it. I wouldn't be able to help you with that. I genuinely wouldn't know.
P: Okay. Generally, how did you go about getting these images?
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P: If you hadn't absconded, and you were still in your motel room, how would you obtain images like this? Did you get any off of Twitter?
H: Not that I know of.
P: All right, so let me try to make sense of all this.
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P: So the images that were on your phone. You don't remember the images themselves. You do remember that, hey, there were some images that maybe got sent to you. You never produced any, like you never took any pictures of any kids. You never met them in real life. That was never your plan. You have looked at images of minors, child pornography, if it was sent to you, or if you found them online. Because that is your interest or was your interest that you're trying to remove yourself from now. Correct?
H: That's the charge I have, yes.
P: Okay. I'm asking you. I understand you're concerned and you have a million thoughts going through your head.
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P: But for a second there, like I saw who you were. You want to go home, you had a problem, you want to get clean of the problem. And you're upset of what you were looking at. Am I wrong? You seem like you want to change. Do I have that wrong? No? I mean, quite honestly, the images and messages were already provided on your phone, right? That's how I have it. They didn't just magically end up in this folder, right? So we're here to try to understand your side to make sure it didn't get any worse. And if this is all you had was some 20 images on your cell phone and you were having a few chats here and there about stuff because you had a, you know, demon inside of you, Hunter.
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P: That you're trying to turn a new leaf now, we know that, we recognize that. But if this is all you had was a few images that you saved from conversations with people. And that's it. Then I can understand what happened. But I'm trying to hear your side. I'm trying to hear that, you know what? I did have those images, but I never took them. I never met a real kid. I'm not that bad guy. Because in my mind there's a spectrum, right? It's like anything else in the world. So I'm trying to see where you're at. And if you want to explain to us so we can understand, then I'd love to hear it.
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H: I've never met anyone in person. I've never done anything in person. I've never facilitated anything that's happened to the person.
P: Okay. So, where did you get the child pornography? You can't punch it into Google. Unless you can. Maybe you can, I'm hoping you can teach me a thing or two. So where would it come from?
H: I wouldn't know because I don't make it myself.
P: I know you don't make it. I trust that. So other people make it? Where can you find it? Then I hear you when you say it just circulates, like it just pops up, right?
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P: So, my question is, again, we know the images are on your phone. How did they get there? Did somebody send it to you in a text message? Did somebody send it to you on Twitter? Did you see it on some website and you saved it?
H: I guess I don't know and I wouldn't remember anyways.
P: You remember stuff from 2017 that you've talked to me about. Okay, so you don't remember how you got it. Is it fair to say that at some point in time you did get it?
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P: Did you send these images back out?
H: No.
P: You don't remember how you got them, but you know you didn't send them to anybody else?
H: I didn't send any type of pictures to anyone else.
P: Okay. Did somebody send them to you?
H: I don't know.
P: What did you say?
H: I don't know.
P: Okay. Is there anything about these images or child pornography in general that you can tell us about?
H: Nothing that would be useful. I don't think.
P: Why? Tell us. And then we'll figure out if it's useful or not.
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P: You want to tell us what you're thinking about?
H: I just want to go home. I don't want to be here anymore. This is an evil place. And I know I've done bad things, but I don't deserve to be here. No one deserves to be here.
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P: We can talk about that too. I know what's going on, why you feel that way. I mean, I understand prison is prison. I don't think any prison is luxurious. I just think you got to be honest with yourself and if you truly are trying to change, put the past in the past. You and I both know, it's not that you don't remember. You just don't want to say it.
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P: And if you're embarrassed or you're ashamed or you wish it never happened, I get it. We've all been there. We all have things in life that we would say that about. But how can I trust that you didn't actually ever hurt a kid, if I can't even trust that you're not being honest about just how you got them or that you had them?
H: Because there's nothing that indicates that I've done anything like that.
P: How would I know? You just messed up online. It is what it is. That happens all the time. You downloaded some of these images. Somebody sent you some images, whatever.
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P: You're not the person that's sending them. You're not making it.
H: I don't have much else to say.
P: Do you store these photos anyway? Do you have a Mega account? Did you have a Mega account? Now's the chance to get ahead of this.
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P: If you get out in front of this now, be honest and put it behind you, it's going to be a lot easier to deal with.
H: I don't know if I really believe you.
P: I don't know why I can do to make you believe me, but I can tell you that if you... That usually is how life goes. You get out in front of things and are honest and... And you don't have to...
H: Well, this isn't life. This is a manipulative, contrived scenario. This isn't life.
P: You think I'm manipulating you?
H: It is your job.
P: It's not my job to manipulate you. Our job is to help the kids in these images. All right. I'm telling you the truth, Hunter. I don't have to have a conversation with you.
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P: You had images on your phone and you know it. I'm trying to get your side. Manipulating you would be me not having any images at all and making you believe that I do. You know damn well these images are. You know they were on your phone. That's why you were upset when parole came.
H: That's a leap of judgment.
P: Hm?
H: That's a leap of judgment.
P: What's a leap of judgment?
H: When parole came, I was on drugs and I was drunk.
P: Okay. So you weren't upset when parole came, but the images on your phone is accurate. You're right, I shouldn't tell you how you feel or how you felt.
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P: Like I said, I'm not here to argue with you and go back and forth. I'm here to try to get your side of things, see if there's anything that can be helpful, and you can go on your day. If there's any complaints about what's been going on, I'll be happy to listen, but that's why I'm here. No one's manipulating you.
H: It's okay, it doesn't matter anymore.
P: Huh?
H: It doesn't matter anymore.
P: What does that mean? What doesn't matter anymore?
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H: It'll all end someday, I guess. I don't know why I was dealt a shitty hand, shitty brain, shitty body. I'm not capable of doing anything, but it doesn't matter much anymore.
P: What's a "shitty brain" mean?
H: Can't do anything, can't take care of myself, can't socialize with people, can't hold a job, can't do anything.
P: When did you start looking at this stuff? How old were you?
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H: I feel like you have all this information.
P: I don't. I don't, Hunter. I'm asking you, trying to talk to you, see how long this problem has been going on. I know you don't believe me, but I hear what you're saying. It sounds like you've had a problem for a while and you're trying to do right. And I think you can get there. But no, I don't know when this started.
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P: You wanna tell us how this all happened?
H: I don't think that would change anything.
P: It's up to you. I'm here to listen.
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H: And I'm here to make other people's lives worse, I guess.
P: What do you mean?
H: It's just my track record.
P: I don't understand. Whose life are you making worse?
H: Everyone.
P: In here? Outside of here?
H: Just in general. Family, friends. I don't know.
P: You feel bad about looking at this stuff?
H: I feel bad about things I've done, yeah.
P: What are the things you've done?
H: What I'm here for.
P: Absconding?
H: No, my initial charge.
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P: Is it like an addiction, looking at child porn? Is it a daily thing? Is it once a month? Like something triggers you and you gotta look at it, or... Do you have a terabyte full of it somewhere stored? Or is it just the, you know, handful of images?
H: Well, if you haven't found it then I don't have it, do I?
P: So you're a handful of images kind of guy. Do you look at it, masturbate, delete?
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P: Pretend it never happened? Is that generally what you would do?
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H: I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this conversation.
P: Okay. Do you want to talk to us about anything else?
H: Well, I've never harmed anyone if that's what you needed to know most of all.
P: I appreciate your honesty. I believe that. You okay?
H: No, I'm not okay. I'm never gonna be okay.
P: Why?
H: I don't know. If I figured it out then I guess I wouldn't be here.
P: Have you gotten any therapy on this?
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H: There's no therapy in here. There's barely even a doctor here.
P: Okay. Is there therapy you could get outside of here that specializes in...?
H: Probably, but they just kick you out on parole, no resources, no anything. Can't live anywhere, level 3, can't live in a homeless shelter, can't do section 8 housing, no car, physical issues that I can't even see a doctor for because I can't take care of myself. I don't know. It doesn't matter. Anything I try to do, it doesn't matter.
P: It's a lot going on.
H: I tried to set up housing I could get after parole and set up with a friend of a friend. Doesn't matter anymore.
P: What do you mean it doesn't matter anymore?
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P: I'm not lying to you when I say I have no clue what's happening with this stuff. That's why I'm here to talk to you to understand what exactly was going on. There's a big difference between having a few images and being the guy who's sending all this stuff out online. I know you keep saying it doesn't matter anymore, but I'm not hiding anything. It's not like I have charges on you right now. I have nothing. I'm just here to have a conversation with you. That's it.
H: Well, I'm not part of any grand conspiracy.
P: You're not part of any "grant" or "grand"?
H: Grand conspiracy.
P: Grand conspiracies.
H: I've never done anything in person with anyone. I wouldn't want to.
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H: I've never had direct contact with a minor over the internet even.
P: Okay.
H: I think that's the most important thing.
P: Okay. So it's just other adults you're communicating with who have the same interest. And are you guys swapping photos of minors back and forth or are you only on the receiving end?
H: I haven't sent anything like that.
P: Okay. So just the receiving end? Okay.
H: And I wouldn't know who sent it either.
P: Okay. That's helpful to know. So you were never actively chatting with minors, asking for photos, nothing like that?
H: No.
P: You just... Can I ask you how did you find the like-minded people who were into this, like you were?
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H: I really don't know.
P: Okay.
H: I was inebriated my entire 8 months on parole, so.
P: You were out for only 8 months, is that? Okay. All right. So you would kind of get... What was your drug of choice, if you don't mind me asking? Or was it just drinking?
H: I was drinking every day and then I was smoking every day.
P: And what were you smoking? Weed?
H: Weed.
P: Okay. So drinking and smoking. You don't really remember how you had these conversations with people, but it was people who were also interested in the same type of stuff. I don't have to reiterate that. We know what it is, right? And they would send you images of child pornography. You never sent any image out.
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P: Did I have that correct?
H: I've never sent any pictures to anyone.
P: Right, you never sent any but you received them. Like, people sent them to you. Is that... If I'm wrong, tell me I'm wrong, that's all. Okay. And you never asked any minors online to take any photos, never met in person. You never even had any intention to meet in person.
H: Nope.
P: Okay. the handful of images that were on your phone, I hear you're saying you don't remember them. Do you remember them now that we just talked about that?
H: No.
P: Okay. And that's probably because you were, like you said, inebriated. And if you don't remember that's fine, but when people did send you the images, was there a way to download them to save them? Or did you just see them in the chat or however they sent them and delete it?
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H: I don't know.
P: Okay.
H: Some apps, they have a automatic download thing.
P: Okay. Do you know what apps are doing that?
H: I don't know. I don't know.
P: Okay.
H: I don't remember.
P: Okay. That's Okay. So some apps would automatically download, like, to your phone?
H: Any pictures that get sent, yeah.
P: Okay, so they automatically save to your phone and was there any images that were sent like that in the chat that you could download yourself or was it just, I like this material, masturbate to it and done, act like it never happened, delete?
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H: I don't know.
P: Okay. I mean, there weren't many images in your device. So, I'm assuming you didn't want them. You weren't the guy trying to store them all up. Or maybe you were and you... Did you ever move them from your phone to a different device?
H: Never done anything like that.
P: Okay. Do you have a Mega account?
H: I don't really know what that is.
P: It's like a cloud almost. Like, a cloud-based storing system. Okay. Were you finding, and if you don't remember, that's fine, but I'm just curious how this could happen. On Twitter, any of these images? Or is anyone sending you them from Twitter? Or X as it is now?
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H: I don't believe so.
P: Okay. I've seen some stuff come off of there. I'm just curious of how that is possible, or how, you know, people are getting around it somehow.
H: I wouldn't know. I don't know.
P: Sorry, I didn't hear you.
H: I said I wouldn't know. I don't know.
P: Okay. Did you have Twitter?
H: I really don't remember.
P: Okay.
H: I don't use social media.
P: Okay. That's fine. I have a Twitter or X account. I couldn't even tell you what my username was. I don't even understand how to use it to be completely honest with you. Alright, so I appreciate what you've told me so far. I really think you are trying to change. Whether you believe me saying that or not.
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P: But it sounds like you had a little bit of a drinking problem. And you kind of went back to maybe a little old interests. Maybe you were trying to change and you went back to it. I don't know. But you were talking to some people online, you don't remember which apps or how you were talking to them. They sent you some child pornography. Sometimes it would auto-download and save to your device. Because of that, you don't know if you ever downloaded other images, but you know for a fact you never sent any images out. You never asked a minor to take a photo and you never took a photo yourself of any minors. You never met in person, and you've never had sex with a minor. Do I have that correct?
H: No, I've never done anything like that.
P: You've never done anything like what?
H: Any "in person".
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P: Yeah, that's what I was saying.
H: Contact with a minor or anything like that, no.
P: That's what I was talking about. Did I say something? Did I say that wrong?
H: No, I was just affirming what you said.
P: Oh, okay, when you said no, it confused me. Okay, all right. So, just a guy that got looking at this stuff, and that's it. Never went any further than just viewing. I don't have to worry about some kid popping up saying Hunter met me and made me do X, Y, and Z.
H: That's not... That never happened.
P: Okay. Was it just like, you don't have to even tell me, but... Were you just interested in the images, but you never wanted because you knew it wasn't a good idea to move forward? Or like...
H: I just don't think I'm that type of person.
P: Okay. All right.
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P: I'll say that...
H: Can I ask you a question?
P: Yeah.
H: Should I just forget about going home this month or what?
P: I wasn't lying to you when I said I don't know what's going to happen. I was being truthful when I said I wanted to come in and have a conversation and see where we were on this. So I can't say one way or the other, but I can say knowing that you weren't taking these photos and you weren't the person involved in the photo is extremely helpful. I think you are being honest about everything. I think you had an interest in child pornography.
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P: I think you looked at it. I think you liked it when you looked at it. And then immediately after, you never had no intention of doing it in real life because you know the harm it would cause. I don't think you're that guy that would ever cross the line. I believe you when you say that. And I don't know what started the attraction. Our brains are wired differently. Not me and you, but every single person in the world. But I think you're being 110% truthful when you say you would never actually meet up with a child and harm them. I think it stopped at viewing the image, whether you masturbated or not. And that's it. Am I correct in that?
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H: That's your assumption.
P: Well, if it's the wrong assumption, tell me. If I'm incorrect, tell me I'm incorrect.
H: That's not really going to get me anywhere.
P: If I'm wrong about this, I think you should... If that was me, somebody was telling me I did something and it wasn't true. I'd say "No, you're wrong."
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P: Is my assumption accurate?
H: Do you know what it's like for a 14 year old to be like arrested for this sort of thing?
P: I don't.
H: Do you think that has like a detrimental effect would you assume probably?
P: So you were arrested when you were 14 for this? Is that what you were saying? Or are you saying you're...
H: No, yeah. I was.
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P: You were arrested when you were 14 for looking at child pornography? Is that what you were saying? Okay. So what's detrimental? Is it something that you just continue to look at?
H: No, I'm just like, psychologically, what do you think that does?
P: I don't know. You were a juvenile. What happened? After they arrested you, what happened? Or did they, you know?
H: I was just... Interrogated me. "Was there anyone you had sexual relations with or did anything with?" Went to those people's houses and tried to push them in the way that, "Did he do anything? Did he force you to do anything?"
P: Okay.
H: Whole school knows about it.
P: Okay. Okay.
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H: They really set me up for success with that one.
P: Were you arrested when you were 14 or you were interrogated when you were 14?
H: Both.
P: And then where did you go?
H: Station.
P: And then you stayed home or did you go to a facility?
H: No, I stayed home.
P: Okay. Was it like pictures of girls you knew or boys you knew?
H: No.
P: So who were they like asking... They were asking you if you did stuff? Okay, all right. But then you said they asked your friends.
H: Mm-hm.
P: Why would they contact your friends?
H: Because they asked me who I had done anything sexual with.
P: Okay.
H: And then they asked them if I had forced them to do anything.
P: And you say they, who's "they"?
H: Just other...
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P: No, I mean like, the sheriff's department, the state police? Do you know who it was?
H: Not exactly. Law enforcement. I don't know.
P: I mean, I'm sure that was, you know, difficult to deal with. But did it carry over to 17? Did it carry over to a year ago? Has it just stayed with you and that's what's happened? I feel like you're trying to tell me something, but I don't know what exactly you're trying to...
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H: I don't know.
P: I don't want to assume anything or...
H: Just thinking out loud here.
P: Okay. I mean, is that when this all started? What were you arrested for when you were 14?
H: The same thing I'm here for now.
P: Images of children? Sexually explicit images of children? And then if I'm understanding you correctly, you being arrested for that when you were 14 and the whole school finding out about it spiraled you to where we are today. Mentally.
H: It's a factor.
P: Okay.
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P: So would it be correct then to say that you believe if you hadn't been arrested and the school didn't find out when you were 14 and you were given treatment, you wouldn't be still viewing these images and where you are today?
H: It's possible.
P: Okay. Did you receive any type of counseling back when you were 14 for viewing images like this?
H: Not really, no.
P: Not really or no? Those are two different... Like were you given counseling, but it wasn't the right counseling?
H: Yeah, I guess so.
P: Okay. So you believe that, given the right counseling as a juvenile, you would no longer have the urges to look at child pornography images.
H: Well, we can do "ifs" all day.
P: Okay.
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P: I was just trying to understand what you were trying to explain to us. Is there anything else you want to speak to us about images such as these?
H: No.
P: Were we correct in our assumption of the kind of person you are? Because I want you to clarify if I was wrong.
H: I don't really... I don't really have an opinion on it.
P: You don't have an opinion on it?
H: Your view is your view.
P: I'm asking... I mean, this is you, right? I'm thinking that you're the type of guy who viewed these images, the child pornography, and if...
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P: They may have auto downloaded. You looked at them. And that's it. You weren't sending them out. You weren't hurting a kid. You weren't taking pictures of a kid. You never met a kid. Is that an accurate assessment?
H: It's accurate that I've never hurt a kid. That's accurate.
P: Is it accurate that you've seen...?
H: I don't want to comment on anything else.
P: Okay. Anything else? Do you have any other questions for us?
H: No.
P: Okay. Good to go. Yep.
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P: Thank you. Thanks, Hunter. We appreciate your time. What do you got next? Where are you heading to?
H: (inaudible)
P: You okay?
H: No.
P: Do you want me to tell them to keep like...
H: No, that would be much more detrimental to my physical and mental health.
P: Okay. End time, 1:24 p.m.
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