Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[BubbaRobot887]

Wasn't JJ Abrams literally making shit up as he went along for the entirety of Lost?

Like that's where he introduced his gay mystery box theory and never bothered to plan ahead in regards of any of his plotlines?

Yeah, I remember the commentary on the Star Trek 2009 DvD where he bragged about coming up with red matter so they wouldn't have to explain how time travel or the weapon worked, as if having a story that didn't have any rules and a mystery without a solution was a mark of brilliance. J.J was always a retard who just made bad remakes of 80s movies.

It was also his idea to have Pike just decide Kirk would be a brilliant Captain so the movie didn't have to explain why Kirk wanted to be a captain or what he did to earn it.

 

[Captain Syrup]

It was also his idea to have Pike just decide Kirk would be a brilliant Captain so the movie didn't have to explain why Kirk wanted to be a captain or what he did to earn it.

My reading of those reboot movies is that James T. Kirk and Spock are just nepo hires.



I aced the Kobayashi Maru by cheating and also I’m hot, give me the Enterprise.



I do think they got insanely lucky with Bruce Greenwood. Because otherwise Pike is the most pointless character ever conceived. He’s just there to be Space Dumbledore, and then Space Snape kills him so Kirk has a reason to be his mortal enemy.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

My reading of those reboot movies is that James T. Kirk and Spock are just nepo hires.

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I aced the Kobayashi Maru by cheating and also I’m hot, give me the Enterprise.

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I do think they got insanely lucky with Bruce Greenwood. Because otherwise Pike is the most pointless character ever conceived. He’s just there to be Space Dumbledore, and then Space Snape kills him so Kirk has a reason to be his mortal enemy.

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That punch is just awful. Sorry but Cucumberbatch is just too scrawny and girly to ever throw a punch or look in any way threatening.

Casting him as Khan has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of cinema.

 

[All the beef fit to eat]

I was re watching Discovery (Pray for my damned soul.)

Some suggestions on how they could have written Burned Ham in a more approachable fashion.

1.) Write her as a widower.
1a.) Leave the circumstances of her husband's death a mystery that unfolds over time.
1b.) Do not make this subplot a "save the universe." plot.
2.) Given her a boy son to raise, grieving over his Father death, and the father is a black man! I know, so shocking.
2a.) Does the son live on the ship w/ her, or living in a starbase somewhere? How can you show this tension/narrative without talking about it. Show us the tension, reveal it by character development, not offscreen narration.
3.) Write her as a First Officer, who gets promoted after a long character arc (I think this was the original intent)
3a.) Have captain be killed and force grieving, "I should have been killed, not him"
3b.) Have someone else promoted over her, "This was my job, because I suffered for it"
4.) Don't make her a marysue.
4a.) Don't make her related to Spock, drop all the Vulcan nonsense.
4b.) Make her believable, which is exactly what she isn't.
4c.) Don't make her mother a key plot point. The show isn't about Burned Ham's family. The family only relates to a single character's development.
5.) Don't give her a drinking/drug problem.
6.) Don't make her fat.
7.) If looking for some kind of character weakness to make her human, make her love her child too much, and be a little bit fearful of putting a ship in danger. If there is danger, she would be the one making the risk, which would annoy HER first officer.
7a. Make her a little bit unwilling to sacrifice her crew for an empty goal just to score political points (there are plenty of options here for political commentary without preaching)

Anyway, being that this is the end of the road for Nu-Trek.

I still think this was a failed opportunity to rebuild interest in a show that has no meaning/resonance to the under 40 crowd. How do you get them to identify with these characters without preaching, political messages, or virtue signalling?

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Casting him as Khan has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of cinema.

Amazing that current year casting would cast the whitest guy ever as a Singh. At least Montalbán was tan.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Amazing that current year casting would cast the whitest guy ever as a Singh. At least Montalbán was tan.

"Saar! What are you doing, saar!? Do not redeem the prefix codes mister kirk! DO NOT REDEEM!!!!"

 

[Captain Syrup]

That punch is just awful. Sorry but Cucumberbatch is just too scrawny and girly to ever throw a punch or look in any way threatening.

Casting him as Khan has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of cinema.

The only time I looked up from my nap was when Kirk and Khan had to team up to board the USS Very Bad Decision.



If you’re already doing dystopian alternate universe Star Trek, have fun with it. Khan joining Starfleet! It’s the only interesting thing they could’ve done and then they immediately make it boring again. Because Khan is written like a 400 IQ super-soldier and Kirk gets outplayed every time. The solution is for Spock to beat Khan in a foot chase.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Amazing that current year casting would cast the whitest guy ever as a Singh. At least Montalbán was tan.

It's okay because the character is a villain. Currentday villains are always white unless there is a very specific need for them to be otherwise, and even then a non-white villain will have a complex or sympathetic background. Khan was cruel and power-hungry, a threat to democracy and civilization, and his defeat also suggests to viewers that he isn't superior after all.

The funniest part about Farscape is realizing every time you see a new puppet, some poor technician hasn’t slept in days and is trying to make a foam ballsack look like a sentient alien.

I'm on the second season right now and I've noticed that they dialed the number of puppet aliens way, way down. The first season had these elaborate monsters that were made for a two second shot, that's gone now and the overarcing plot is mainly about Crichton's conflict with the Peacekeepers, who all conveniently look exactly like humans except for Scorpius.

 

[Flexo]

That punch is just awful. Sorry but Cucumberbatch is just too scrawny and girly to ever throw a punch or look in any way threatening.

Casting him as Khan has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of cinema.

Shame because I could see Benedict make a pretty decent and unique Q.

But yeah, nuKhan needed someone.... man I have no idea who I would cast.

Some suggestions on how they could have written Burned Ham in a more approachable fashion.

Literally all they had to do was set it after Voyager and make Burnham Tuvok's daughter. (Adopted or bio, either would work.) Everything else about the series would be almost fine if they made that one change.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Literally all they had to do was set it after Voyager and make Burnham Tuvok's daughter. (Adopted or bio, either would work.) Everything else about the series would be almost fine if they made that one change.

This would require the writers to watch any of the source material.

 

[Kyria the Great]

That punch is just awful. Sorry but Cucumberbatch is just too scrawny and girly to ever throw a punch or look in any way threatening.

Casting him as Khan has to be the biggest downgrade in the history of cinema.

Ricardo Montalban at least looked the part of genetic superman because of his broader frame.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

If you’re already doing dystopian alternate universe Star Trek, have fun with it. Khan joining Starfleet! It’s the only interesting thing they could’ve done and then they immediately make it boring again. Because Khan is written like a 400 IQ super-soldier and Kirk gets outplayed every time. The solution is for Spock to beat Khan in a foot chase.

Nah. If I had to write it, I'd make Khan absolutely uninterested in politics, military stuff and the related headaches. Instead, he's a guy that likes to write cheesy holonovels based on actions movies he enjoyed in the late 20th century, until Admiral Robocop forcibly drafted him to work on the USS Dystopian Murdership That Is Too Large To Be Of Any Use. Since Khan just wanted to be left alone and write his hard boiled detective and Rambo-stories, he has no other choice but to team up with Kirk.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Ricardo Montalban at least looked the part of genetic superman because of his broader frame.

Montalbán is from the old school, he looks like he’s gonna blow your mom's back out.

Cumberbatch is "evil British guy" preset.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Montalbán is from the old school, he looks like he’s gonna blow your mom's back out

I think a big reason why modern trek sucks because it's missing those more old school and classically trained actors that cut their teeth in theater or small screen.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Shame because I could see Benedict make a pretty decent and unique Q.

But yeah, nuKhan needed someone.... man I have no idea who I would cast.

Find a buff Asian actor or cast Henry Cavil and explain that an Asian scientist created him in the lap and gave him an Asian name after himself.

Cavil has the build and the charisma and he would have thrown himself into the role.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Find a buff Asian actor or cast Henry Cavil and explain that an Asian scientist created him in the lap and gave him an Asian name after himself.

Cavil has the build and the charisma and he would have thrown himself into the role.

Brent Spiner was doing yellowface and no one cared.



The real crime was casting Cumberbatch because he happened to be "trending." For a long time Hollywood only cared about brand synergy with Sherlock or GoT.

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Brent Spiner was doing yellowface and no one cared.

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The real crime was casting Cumberbatch because he happened to be "trending." For a long time Hollywood only cared about brand synergy with Sherlock or GoT.

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Yeah, I hate that.

I have been a Sherlock Holmes fan since I was ten and he was a horrible Sherlock Holmes, that show was horrible. He play Sherlock Holmes like he has super powers and he is some sort of dangerous uncaring unhuman thing. Sherlock Holmes can be cold and calculating but he did have a sense of justice and cared about what happened to his clients, just look at his reaction when he thinks Sir Henry Baskerville died, or the outcome of The Blue Carbuncle. Cucumberbatch was not playing Sherlock Holmes and yet he is treated like the gold standard and now other actors will base how they play the character on him.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

The real crime was casting Cumberbatch because he happened to be "trending." For a long time Hollywood only cared about brand synergy with Sherlock or GoT.

With my idea of Khan being the "sigh, whatever, I just wanna go home and give my Rambo-fanfic the finishing touch"-autismo Augment, casting Benegesserit Cooconsnatch could've worked.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Yeah, I hate that.

I have been a Sherlock Holmes fan since I was ten and he was a horrible Sherlock Holmes, that show was horrible. He play Sherlock Holmes like he has super powers and he is some sort of dangerous uncaring unhuman thing. Sherlock Holmes can be cold and calculating but he did have a sense of justice and cared about what happened to his clients, just look at his reaction when he thinks Sir Henry Baskerville died, or the outcome of The Blue Carbuncle. Cucumberbatch was not playing Sherlock Holmes and yet he is treated like the gold standard and now other actors will base how they play the character on him.

RDJ Sherlock is kind of a deadbeat, but at least he seems like a guy who actually likes Londoners.

Benedict is like, “Oh Mycroft, you’re such a misanthrope,” while being a perpetually smirky nu atheist himself. That’s every Steven Moffat show, though.

 

[Flexo]

Find a buff Asian actor or cast Henry Cavil and explain that an Asian scientist created him in the lap and gave him an Asian name after himself.

Cavil has the build and the charisma and he would have thrown himself into the role.

I could see Cavil as Khan.....