Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Sweeter and Savoury said:
More on topic, the more I watch and think about ST:E the more I enjoy it.
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ST:E has a divisive nature within the fanbase as we all know, I infact decided to test the waters by posting a topic on Reddit (Yeah I know, but stay with me) asking people why it didn't do so well, I thought it was mainly due to the weird CGI (Because to me, it looks worse than TNG/DS9/VOY when using it) and was fairly sure it was due to the low-tech angle.

So many people replied, I got hundreds within days and mainly it could be boiled down to;

1. Too many over-sexualised scenes visa vi the Decon chamber.. Which I guess? They did labour those scenes quite a bit and it was to show men rubbing jelly on themselves then on half nude mid-chicks.
2. The Intro song (Yea, seriously, this came up A LOT) which I also SEMI agree on, at first I was so turned off by the song, but when I stick with the show and it's intro I actually got so into it I kept finding myself singing it in VCs and IRL with other trek fans. I think it gave Enterprise a real "Human" vibe which the show tries to angle into way more than other ones
3. The Time period - It seems many of those who watched didn't like it being set in the era it was, with many outright complaining we should've had more post-VOY content which I remember was something I felt when I was a teenager first watching the episodes air. I cannot reconcile with this being a legit reason though since R/Star Trek is home to many faggots creaming their panties over how good Disco "Actually was" and how great Kelvin stuff is which seems to me, if you really hate Enterprise for this why wouldn't you despise Kelvin/Kurtzman trek?

I personally, for my part, got to about Season 3 of Enterprise about a month ago, The change in the intro song was super weird to me (As I don't get WHY they did, the first 2 seasons had the best version, the new one sounds so much like noise to me) but I have enjoyed the stories being put out.. I just have to admit I'm not enthralled by the over-arching time-travel story, I think it kind of makes Jonathon Archer "Way more important" than he already is, which feels like too much glazing for me. I much prefer getting to see the tensions between Andoria, Earth and Vulcan, the way Archer handles situations with a very single-minded bullheadedness where he really does let his moral compass takeover anything he's doing.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
You know how everyone was astonished that Kurtzman Trek shows would almost always get five seasons?
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I do remember tons of people being "PikaShockFace" and it does genuinely make me wonder if people are just intentionally unable to pick up on trends in the modern age or they deliberately ignore the obvious to live in hopium land whilst chugging copium juice. Star Trek isn't made for TV anymore where the point was each season had many episodes so a TV channel could have a lot of runway with showing each season, Star Trek is now made to show on Amazon where even their very best shows get <10 episodes per season, are made to come out pretty quickly and will usually have around 5 seasons unless it continues to pull consistently good numbers. This is true for Disney products also and it all speaks to the underlying issue with the streaming-service model of doing things as a whole. It's turned all content into shit which people discuss for like a week then stop caring about as soon as "New thing" comes along, this means even genuinely good products which come from places gets lost in the deludge of shit being churned out with even fewer withstanding that trend and managing to remain relevant longer than a week.

It all does speak to the "Keep consuming product" meme
 
Galeocerdo said:
I do remember tons of people being "PikaShockFace" and it does genuinely make me wonder if people are just intentionally unable to pick up on trends in the modern age or they deliberately ignore the obvious to live in hopium land whilst chugging copium juice. Star Trek isn't made for TV anymore where the point was each season had many episodes so a TV channel could have a lot of runway with showing each season, Star Trek is now made to show on Amazon where even their very best shows get <10 episodes per season, are made to come out pretty quickly and will usually have around 5 seasons unless it continues to pull consistently good numbers. This is true for Disney products also and it all speaks to the underlying issue with the streaming-service model of doing things as a whole. It's turned all content into shit which people discuss for like a week then stop caring about as soon as "New thing" comes along, this means even genuinely good products which come from places gets lost in the deludge of shit being churned out with even fewer withstanding that trend and managing to remain relevant longer than a week.

It all does speak to the "Keep consuming product" meme
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This is why I don't watch streaming, it mostly suck, costs too damn much, and even when I find a good show it is over in the blink of an eye.

Right now my Sister and I are working our way through Wild Wild West and enjoying that far more than any show we have found on streaming lately.
 
BubbaRobot887 said:
This is why I don't watch streaming, it mostly suck, costs too damn much, and even when I find a good show it is over in the blink of an eye.
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It's utterly insane to me that streaming has become more cumbersome, more expensive, and shittier as a service than standard cable.
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
More on topic, the more I watch and think about ST:E the more I enjoy it. It's not great Trek, but it is good Trek. But it's not the big things that I enjoy. Rather it's the small incidentals from the side characters. The bits and pieces we get that flesh out more of the background and world of Trek.

In one of the last episodes the Vulcan Ambassador Soval tells Admiral Fischer the truth. That Vulcan's were trying to hold humanity back and when Fischer ask why he just says that humans scare Vulcan's. That High Command is indeed terrified of what humanity may become because of how far they have come in such a short time.

"You humans did in mere decades what took us Vulcan's centuries to do. How could we not be terrified by that?"

And he's right.

In less then a decade as a "warp" society humanity went from tottering around our own solar system to venturing out into interstellar space and then commenced to fucking end a decades long war between 3 more advanced races who absolutely despised each other, wielding them all into not just a peace but into a co-operative and enduring Federation that would change the very essence of the galaxy going forward all IN LESS THEN 4 YEARS!

Sure sure, Archer had help on all sides by some truly heroic and long sighted members of those races (Shran, Gral, Soval and T'Pol) to bring everyone to the table but damn son, that's some accomplishment.

The Vulcan's were right to be afraid.
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Vulcans fear the pink skins.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
YARR HARR FIDDLE DEE DEE remains undefeated. The slop mills get to have infinite money anyway, thanks to central banking and the Cantillon effect, they don't need mine.
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My standard is to check things out for free and then, if I like it, buy the shit out of it. If CBS/Paramount decided to make a Star Trek show that is actually good, I will give them my money. With the newer Trek shows like Discovery, Academy, and SNW, I haven't even bothered to YARR HARR FIDDLE DEE DEE. That's how little I think of it.
 
Star Trek (and Alien) are /myslop/, so I will watch them. I may enjoy or experience bIj to different degrees by season or episode. But how I watch them, my attitude is sort of like The Cowboy from Mulholland Drive, if Adam Kesher were the studios/producers/showrunners. Kesher looks more like if JJ Abrams were as cool as JJ Abrams thinks he is than Kurtzmann. But anyway, let's just say I'm driving this buggy, and if you fix your attitude, you can ride along with me.
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BubbaRobot887 said:
Right now my Sister and I are working our way through Wild Wild West and enjoying that far more than any show we have found on streaming lately.
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Robert Conrad was a very charismatic lead, and Wild Wild West shares a lot of energy with TOS. I think it's underappreciated simply because it didn't get nearly as much airplay in syndication as Trek or Gunsmoke did. As kid who grew up on syndicated TV in the 80's and 90's, I was never even aware of it until a local retro-TV UHF stations started up in the late 90's and started playing it.

The thing it had, alongside almost all the other shows we're praising in this thread, is a sense of fun. Solid action-adventure, comradery between characters we like, the occasional romantic interest, and humor, all combined around interesting ideas and situations. Some shows were smarter about it, and some were dumber, but all were fun to watch.

Beyond the many sins of modern writers, streaming shows over the last decade seem fundamentally allergic to fun. Dumb, boring premises. Unlikeable characters who hate each other. Poorly constructed plots with nonsensical conclusions. Just miserable to watch.
 
someone made a compilation of Borg clips (though some at the end may be from NuTrek):

The Borg Collective Speaks [UPDATED] - A Star Trek Compilation​

- Darth Plagueis

Darth Plagueis said:
A compilation of moments throughout Star Trek when the Borg Collective speaks. Representatives, such as Locutus, Seven of Nine and the Borg Queen are not included. As a special bonus, the unaffiliated hive mind known as the Cooperative is included at the end.
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Phillip Green said:
Robert Conrad was a very charismatic lead, and Wild Wild West shares a lot of energy with TOS. I think it's underappreciated simply because it didn't get nearly as much airplay in syndication as Trek or Gunsmoke did. As kid who grew up on syndicated TV in the 80's and 90's, I was never even aware of it until a local retro-TV UHF stations started up in the late 90's and started playing it.

The thing it had, alongside almost all the other shows we're praising in this thread, is a sense of fun. Solid action-adventure, comradery between characters we like, the occasional romantic interest, and humor, all combined around interesting ideas and situations. Some shows were smarter about it, and some were dumber, but all were fun to watch.

Beyond the many sins of modern writers, streaming shows over the last decade seem fundamentally allergic to fun. Dumb, boring premises. Unlikeable characters who hate each other. Poorly constructed plots with nonsensical conclusions. Just miserable to watch.
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Yeah, I watched the show on VHS when I was a kid in the 90s but never had the chance to sit down and watch the whole thing before(I picked it up on DvD for around $40 a few years ago and the DvDs look great even on a modern 4K)and it really is the perfect pulp comic book show, it really does feel like a classic comic book come to life and it doesn't try to be more than it is. I am glad they worked around Ross Martin's health problems because he and Robert Conrad are one of the best screen duos in the history of TV. Also some TOS writers and producers worked on the show and I could see how a few of the episodes could be rewritten into scripts for Star Trek with a little work.

All and all a great piece of entertainment.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
ATTENTION KIWI FARMS POSTERS:
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The Temporal Cold War was the worst story arc of any series of Star Trek. If you think it's better than the Bajoran politics or Maquis arcs I will fill this thread with Enestrazine gas. You have seven minutes to comply.
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I thought there was pretty general agreement that the temporal Cold War arc was just bad, at least that’s what everyone was telling me when I wanted to watch Enterprise.
 
GGSurvivor said:
I thought there was pretty general agreement that the temporal Cold War arc was just bad, at least that’s what everyone was telling me when I wanted to watch Enterprise.
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Nobody has ever defended it. It’s blamed for the show getting shitcanned.

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The Xindi stuff is more time war slop... but it's good. The real problem was that prank caller guy from the future.

And then they kept bringing back Silik like he’s supposed to be this Metal Sonic rival for Archer.

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Not scary.

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Maybe they just loved John Fleck. “Bring back Cantaloupe Man, the fans crave him."
 
m1ddl3m4rch said:
This was far more worthy of an hour's watch than any nuTrek.
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The NES game is an artifact from the before times. Extremely autistic and slow on purpose.

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9-year-old AVGN felt scammed.

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Honestly though, the game is cool. It's obviously very faithful and aimed at huge Trek nerds. I never actually finished it though. I kind of want to beat it just so I can have an actual opinion.
 
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