Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

I am surprised more people haven't pointed out the non-zero number of kids that had Invincible as their first superhero show and unironically think Invincible is original in any way.

In fact, the whole appeal of the Invincible universe is being off-brand DC/Marvel but with a subversion: what if Superman but evil, what if Blue Beetle was the Ladybug girl, what if the superhero girlfriend knew he was a superhero, what if the typical brute enemies were also genius geneticists, what if demons were good, etc., etc.

A concerning number of people make claims such as "Atom Eve is the only super-powered girlfriend that isn't a damsel in distress". Never mind that superhero and anime are full of those. Or thinking that a guy with Omni-Man's powers as a superhero would be a revolutionary idea (never heard of, you know, Superman). Or calling a jerk with a hidden heart of gold "doing a Rex Splode"

Point is, DC and Marvel have been doing so badly with kids lately that they are starting to think what to many adults feels derivative is the original. I shudder to think how this will affect entertainment in the future.

Adults see bootleg Batman, Wonder Woman, etc. Kids already are showing signs of not knowing who Superman, the Justice League, or the X-Men are.
 
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God of Nothing said:
man, i am loving these
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VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
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My problem with Eve isn’t that she’s fat, it’s that she’s a fucking BITCH. She’s a Midwest Irish-mutt whatever, fat is her natural state of being, she chooses to be a retarded bitch and that’s why I hate her.
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In her defense she's retarded because Kirkman doesn't know how to use her powers so he has to make her dumb.
 
I actually think if it was intentional to make Thad clouded by the KILL EVERYTHING mindset of his people that would be actually nuanced and cool. We could even have some discussion about how due to his Viltrumite culture, upbringing, and training he cannot see beyond absolute violence as a solution, whereas Thragg is now forced to consider coexistence and mercy for the weak (for now) if only to ensure his people can continue to exist. Mark, of course, being caught in the middle of a nature vs. nurture narrative due to his hybrid nature.
However, that's not intentional because the writers are retards and that would be too complicated an idea for them to puzzle out.
 
VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
I actually think if it was intentional to make Thad clouded by the KILL EVERYTHING mindset of his people that would be actually nuanced and cool. We could even have some discussion about how due to his Viltrumite culture, upbringing, and training he cannot see beyond absolute violence as a solution, whereas Thragg is now forced to consider coexistence and mercy for the weak (for now) if only to ensure his people can continue to exist. Mark, of course, being caught in the middle of a nature vs. nurture narrative due to his hybrid nature.
However, that's not intentional because the writers are retards and that would be too complicated an idea for them to puzzle out.
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I think it's kind of conveyed without being explicitly stated that his mindset is still very Viltrumite, albeit switched around - his message to Allen was "fucking kill all of them, they're still too dangerous - that means Mark and Oliver and even any similar species (humans) that are affected as collateral"

Viltrumites apparently live 5000 years, more than enough time to experience certain events and change their opinions on things. Thaddeus knows this - Thragg mentioned to Argyll that he'd changed noticeably after coming back from a planetary mission. Mark and Oliver or their descendents could be one traumatic/defining experience away from growing a moustache and becoming Space Stalin.

The nature/nurture thing is kind of explored with the invasion of the Multi-Marks who sided with Nolan in their universes. Or successfully killed him and became plain psychos. Debbie apparently wasn't present for them. Or maybe she was a neglectful or timid version.

In the Mark Vs. Nolan fight in season 1 there even seems to be a moment where Mark considers what Nolan's saying to him until he missteps with the pet comparison.
 
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Evil Peter Griffin said:
In her defense she's retarded because Kirkman doesn't know how to use her powers so he has to make her dumb.
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Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
 
Exegesis said:
Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
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I hate to break it to you, the niggercattle market is the biggest market and niggercattle are the best at writing for niggercattle.
 
Exegesis said:
Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
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they know the right guy, are jewish, or just got really luck

I think I've only ever seen fanfic point out someone with super strength could theoretically throw sand or anything else hard enough to kill anyone, pressure any wound he got to the point it stopped bleeding instantly, or just poke someone so hard their finger is a vastly superior knife or a spear. That and being capable of ending practically any fight by just getting a good hold on someone. Basically, someone with super strength could end any fight with minimal effort if they thought for half a second how to actually use their strength.
VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
I hate to break it to you, the niggercattle market is the biggest market and niggercattle are the best at writing for niggercattle.
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pretty much this
few people actually want an intelligently done or unique story
look at the slop people consume these days
 
Exegesis said:
Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
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Answers in the question: fame. The average person doesn't have thousands of yes-men worshipping their every move, but everyone's got critics. She/He must experience life & adapt to the everchanging climates, taking risks & being put in uncomfortable situations. This inspires creativity which reflects in a lot of casual, written works. When you get so famous that you never have to worry about anything but fitting in with your new rich [likely jewish] friends & towing the party line, you lose the plot (literally). Writing/art/anything goes from valuable story telling to pushing "the message."

The main issues with Cuckman are twofold:
1. he lacks creativity because he's never thought outside himself.

I hate when modern day critics say this, but there is a need to have lived exoerience in certain stories. Women aren't the best at writing men. Men aren't the best at writing women. Our socializations, background culture, and some parts of biology make it hard to do so. A good author would rectify this by talking to and getting advice from who they do not know. Tons of authors talk about travelling to different places, interviewing different people, and having a cowriter who's knowleageable in these areas to make up for the absence in knowledge. For all Kirkman's progressive squeeling, I doubt he acrually talks to a lot of women. Let alone regular ass people. A lot of these characters feel like tropes because that's what they are.

They're cutouts, stereotypes given blood to fufill a "message." Their motivations feel stiff and stereotypical, their actions predictable and expected because they're meant to be. Eve and Amber are/were just Mark's girlfriends, there to help him get from Arc A to Arc B. Eve's dad is a jerk because daddy issues are hip and cool and Eve can't have a healthy role model (especially that of a happy, sorta traditional heterosexual white couple --> even tho that's what her and Mark end up becoming). The government and all other heroes are useless because Mark is "The Chosen One." It all ends in a happy, neat bag with no actual change to status quo because that's easy and marketable.

Occasionally, something human and unexpected pops through (Debbie rejecting Nolan & having a healthy relationship with Paul, Rex's redemption arc and character development, Oliver having alien behaviors, etc). But that's rare and it all returns to the beginning. No actual change will happen because there isn't supposed to be. Kirkman can't think outside of his perspective, so we never see anyone who doesn't fit his worldview and his ideals ever truly win or even expanded upon.

2. he hates limiting his wants.

He wants a super cool badass girl power gf for his self insert main protagonist, BUT she can't outshine him. Every oppurtunity she is given to flex her skill, must be voided so the plot goes forward. Because if Eve used her powers intelligently, none of the big threats would actually matter.

The best way to tackle this would be to rewrite her powers to either have more believable limits OR give her entirely new ones. Instead of being able to only effect "inorganic" (living) things, why not have her only effect one element?
- Make her have the powers take up a ton of her energy and need physical training?
- Have her get her powers around Mark's age, so it makes sense why she's not the most skilled?
- Maybe have them be artificial and tied to something she invented that can be broken or stolen?

Great writers limit themselves to one slice so everyone else can enjoy the cake, too. Kirkman is too much of a glutton to think that far ahead. That's why the Viltrumites aren't that well thought out, or the GDA's defenses, or the power dynamics/scaling, etc etc.

Tons of famous writers still have wonderful stories that are worth reading. "The Hobbit" JRR Tolkein, "Beserk" Kentaro Miura (before his death), "Frankenstein" Mary Shelley, "The Long Walk" Stephen King (his best work period imo), and many more. All these stories work because of the author's intent. These stories have lessons to them, but those are secondary. They wrote characters who were people first, "the message" second. The writers had thought out flaws, limits, and were confined to in universe laws that can't be broken.

They also didn't have mobs of fanatics infesting Twitter, Reddit, Tumblr, etc who will argue day and night that they're clear plotholes and flat characters were ACTUALLY - ingenius subversions of expectations that you're too dumb to understand
- building up to a greater reveal or were put their purposefully to highlight something regarding "the message"
- unimportant, why do you care so much chud, it's literally not real???
 
Exegesis said:
Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
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The fight against Conquest she could have done so much more. Alter the air to be poisonous or make it so he couldn't breath, change the air density so he couldn't fly as well, control his machinal arm, control the earth to bury him. But no she just shot pink lasers at him.
 
Exegesis said:
Why do so many famous writers totally lack creativity? The average person can come up with hundreds of ideas for Atom Eve and Kirkman can't even think of anything beyond "Make walls and some pink armor"
Literally how???
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They kind of addressed that early on where they talked about how she was taking chemistry classes and stuff to understand how to use her powers.

But it's so scattershot how they handle it.
 
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