Russell Greer vs. Viatron Corporation, A-26-937678-C

Seymour Duncan said:
I feel like he just read "arbitration" and thought it meant "we'll be forced to hash out a deal somewhere in the middle = guaranteed payday".
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Greer thinks his plightsperging will be more effective in person at arbitration, but he only gets one opportunity, then it is over. He probably thought that 'from the start of time' meant he can bring up anything he wishes in the case.

Hardin's gamble is that the arbiter's sanity is stronger than Greer's retardation for exactly the length of the arbitration.

AnOminous said:
"Basically just by buying our shit product you signed away your rights to everything, forever."

For instance, if you've ever ordered Uber Eats, ever, for any reason, their drivers can literally run you over and you have no right to sue.
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I actually looked into this for S's and G's for some services I use when we had a dispute, and some older TOS' that have not been updated since Patreon's dust up with Owen Benjamin and put the company on the hook for the lion's share of fees. Many companies now have a split fee agreement or a cost-shifting provision in them.

In my case, the dispute was over about 500 euro and that just so happened to be the same amount as the deductible in the TOS before the company took over the rest of the arbitration fees. I informed the company that I would rather pay the arbiters and waste time (at corporate expense) to leave them net negative on the dispute.

We settled for dropping the dispute and banning my account with the service. They also updated their TOS, so I changed the world in some small way.
 
Himedall All-seeing Waifu said:
Greer thinks his plightsperging will be more effective in person at arbitration,
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Which is wild given his usual abysmal performance in person. Do you think the arbitrator will get a plightsperg like the judge did, claiming that just because he was so flustered about his gimpy face and forgot to bring something up they should have done so on his behalf?
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East_Clintwood said:
Which is wild given his usual abysmal performance in person. Do you think the arbitrator will get a plightsperg like the judge did, claiming that just because he was so flustered about his gimpy face and forgot to bring something up they should have done so on his behalf?
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Read his fanfic of reality delusions from his book and court filings. He BELEIVES that he can beat the odds and others should just kowtow to him.

He will 100% sperg in arbitration, but he will not be able to delay or derail the process. When he loses, he will post about how 'unfair' it was.
 
So how long does arbitration usually take, and how long should we expect to hear back on this one?
 
Betonhaus said:
So how long does arbitration usually take, and how long should we expect to hear back on this one?
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It's kinda hard to say. JAMS produces a spreadsheet of all the cases they deal with and the dates vary wildly. Even filtering just for cases that required going all the way to a hearing (which is presumably the longest route), has cases that took as little as a couple of months to 2+ years.
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HTTP Error 404 said:
At least for now. I could absolutely see these Arbitration groups being the next target for lefty entryism.
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They're not paid for plights. They're paid for always ruling for their owners.
teriyakiburns said:
Not what he said, though. You order food from uber eats on monday, and then get run over by an uber eats driver on wednesday, you can't sue uber (or the driver) because of the binding arbitration clause that came with the initial order.
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And this is why NEVER do business with these techbro "disruptive" businesses. Unless you like getting run over and not even having a right to sue because simply doing business with them at all meant you surrendering all your rights.
 
Betonhaus said:
So how long does arbitration usually take, and how long should we expect to hear back on this one?
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A few months at the very least. It may take another month just to arrange the first meeting because unlike Greer, other people have jobs, lives, or better shit to do and a busier schedule. After that it's a matter of how much Greer tries to stonewall the process. He can't draw it out forever by dragging his heels like he has done in court, but he can still make it take longer just be scheduling future meeting dates as far into the future as he can get away with.

A good barometer might be the last time Greer wound up in arbitration, when he tried suing AGT (Freemantle Productions) and the judge kicked the case to arbitration on August 18, 2022 (see the courtlistener page for the case), but there's no information about how long that took to conclude or that Greer even participated in the process. He tried to appeal the judge's order and that was denied almost immediately. Beyond that, there's not much information available on how long the arbitration process lasted.

This case doesn't seem particularly complicated and Greer isn't likable or convincing enough to overcome his lack of evidence or the evidence that Viatron will bring against his claim. If he refuses to participate in the process he'll wind up losing and stuck with the costs eventually anyways.
 
Debbie Macomber said:
Is there any chance arbitration could "fail" and end up back in court like Greer V Moon, or does the stipulation mean it MUST be concluded in arbitration now?
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Greer will try appealing to the court when the arbitration doesn't go his way, but it's not going to get very far when he agreed to it. Beyond that it's not going to wind up back in court.

He may try suing Viatron under some other cause of action, but that will be a lot harder to do after arbitration as well.
 
Betonhaus said:
So how long does arbitration usually take, and how long should we expect to hear back on this one?
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East_Clintwood said:
It's kinda hard to say. JAMS produces a spreadsheet of all the cases they deal with and the dates vary wildly. Even filtering just for cases that required going all the way to a hearing (which is presumably the longest route), has cases that took as little as a couple of months to 2+ years.
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Irene and 22 others said:
A few months at the very least. It may take another month just to arrange the first meeting because unlike Greer, other people have jobs, lives, or better shit to do and a busier schedule. After that it's a matter of how much Greer tries to stonewall the process. He can't draw it out forever by dragging his heels like he has done in court, but he can still make it take longer just be scheduling future meeting dates as far into the future as he can get away with.

A good barometer might be the last time Greer wound up in arbitration, when he tried suing AGT (Freemantle Productions) and the judge kicked the case to arbitration on August 18, 2022 (see the courtlistener page for the case), but there's no information about how long that took to conclude or that Greer even participated in the process. He tried to appeal the judge's order and that was denied almost immediately. Beyond that, there's not much information available on how long the arbitration process lasted.

This case doesn't seem particularly complicated and Greer isn't likable or convincing enough to overcome his lack of evidence or the evidence that Viatron will bring against his claim. If he refuses to participate in the process he'll wind up losing and stuck with the costs eventually anyways.
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Anecdotal and a few years old, but ased on my research to inform my preparations for personal dispute with a California-based corporation under JAMS, it looked like the average processing time was 2-3 weeks or months--depending on how much discovery, depositions, and the schedule of the arbiter.

Debbie Macomber said:
Is there any chance arbitration could "fail" and end up back in court like Greer V Moon, or does the stipulation mean it MUST be concluded in arbitration now?
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Irene and 22 others said:
Greer will try appealing to the court when the arbitration doesn't go his way, but it's not going to get very far when he agreed to it. Beyond that it's not going to wind up back in court.

He may try suing Viatron under some other cause of action, but that will be a lot harder to do after arbitration as well.
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IANAL, but based the theory that this stipulation was done in court and is probably treated like a contract or binding terms in TOS (as in mine and Owen Benjamin's case) it would have to be appealed civilly and Greer should have to show good reason why it was a breach and he should be allowed to go back to federal court after agreeing to forfeit that right.

All that to say, 'No, he shouldn't be able, but when did that ever stop him from trying?'
 
Debbie Macomber said:
Is there any chance arbitration could "fail" and end up back in court like Greer V Moon, or does the stipulation mean it MUST be concluded in arbitration now?
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Courts aggressively enforce arbitration agreements. If it gets sent to arbitration, that's where it goes.
 
AnOminous said:
Courts aggressively enforce arbitration agreements. If it gets sent to arbitration, that's where it goes.
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You can see their clear incentive to do so too: if you can sue to overturn arbitration, you have utterly defeated its purpose for even existing. Plus every case arbitrated is one less for them to deal with.
 
Debbie Macomber said:
Is there any chance arbitration could "fail" and end up back in court like Greer V Moon, or does the stipulation mean it MUST be concluded in arbitration now?
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Himedall All-seeing Waifu said:
IANAL, but based the theory that this stipulation was done in court and is probably treated like a contract or binding terms in TOS (as in mine and Owen Benjamin's case) it would have to be appealed civilly and Greer should have to show good reason why it was a breach and he should be allowed to go back to federal court after agreeing to forfeit that right.
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Irene and 22 others said:
Greer will try appealing to the court when the arbitration doesn't go his way, but it's not going to get very far when he agreed to it. Beyond that it's not going to wind up back in court.
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My understanding of Arbitration is similar: It's a process intended to resolve a dispute without costly, drawn-out litigation that comes with a traditional court case. I know someone who was the subject of a contractual dispute and they pointed out to the court that the matter was covered by an arbitration clause. The court agreed and immediately dismissed the case so it could proceed to arbitration.

IANAL either, but I suspect courts generally avoid intervening in arbitration cases unless there's something so horribly wrong with the process that needs to be addressed. That doesn't preclude RG from trying to involve the courts when an arbitration ruling doesn't go his way, but I imagine they will be quick to say, "LOL, no - DENIED!" like the Nevada Supreme Court did when he tried to appeal his eviction.
 
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