Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I still maintain that had Carrie lived it wouldn't have been as shit as it was. Damn human body system failing her bc she did coke while promoting her new book.......
Wasn't she supposed to remain alive in the original Colin Trevarrow "Duel of Fates" script? Luke also survived, if I remember.

From what I remember of the script leak, it was pretty "meh" but it still managed to sound leagues better than the Rise of Skywalker. I remember General Hux was going to be revealed to be a Jedi weeboo who collected lightsabers, which could have been interesting; albeit cringe but interesting. Also I believe the majority of the film took place on Coruscant? & Kylo Ren fought some kind of Sith-spider creature (what is it with Disney Star Wars & spiders???)

Which honestly is weird because I'm a weird autist that even remembers the broad strokes of shit I have seen when I was 3 or something, but somehow the sequels are weird antimemes (scientifically speaking) that seem to escape the grasp of my memory.
They're hard to remember because aside from The Force Awakens, none of them have a coherent story. They're just a bunch of unrelated chaotic scenes pieced together.

I genuinely believe the theory that The Last Jedi tested poorly, and was heavily edited in post to switch the beginning fight scene with the ending fight scene (i.e. the red salt dirt planet fight would have been the opening scene) & to kill off Luke/keep Leia alive. According to the theory, the original ending was the Holdo maneuver, the Snoke throne room fight scene, than fading to black after Kylo Ren asked Rey to join him.
 
I genuinely believe the theory that The Last Jedi tested poorly, and was heavily edited in post to switch the beginning fight scene with the ending fight scene

While I think there's merit to the claim the film was reconfigured as that end battle makes no sense. Last few of the resistance, suddenly there are lots for a battle. A battle where they literally drive skimming ships at the AT-ATs for no reason and do nothing but get blown up before retreating.

I seem to recall that there was no testing of the film. While the truth to what went on is always hard to know from the amount of grifter shit put online. I do recall that apparently only a handful of people had seen the final film before the premiere.

In the narrative that I would not necessarily consider reliable. There was talk about the script being rewritten a bunch during production and it was just scene-based. Without reflecting on how that scene impacted or contradicted the rest of the film.

While catching up on the thread someone was mentioning the Rose, Finn and DJ plotline. They went to Canto Bite to find the code breaker to disable the hyper space tracking. Nonsense happened. They got locked up in jail with a different code breaker. Who had a key to the jail cell. Then betrayed them. Utterly pointless.

This is an example where whatever the original idea was, it just got messed up in rewrites and reshoots. It was originally Finn and Poe. Clearly, the Rose shit with horses and lectures wouldn't have been in the version with Poe. RJ said he found Finn and Poe's dialogue interchangeable when writing it. Which speaks to his inability to understand characters. Shit like broom boy was done in reshoots. Alot of Holdo and Rose stuff was changed, added to in reshoots. It's a plot point in TFA that Finn isn't a pilot. Ignored in TLJ to force the plot. Why couldn't Rose have been a pilot? That's the level of lack of attention to detail put in.

I assume Holdo Manuever was also a reshoot, trying to make sense of a film that made no sense.

Also interesting to think about if Poe went to Canto, what was the Rebel fleet section of the film? Was it even there? Was the slow chase, Holdo, all of that follow orders no matter what shit. Was it another attempt to make sense of a disjointed film? Were changes made too late in production they had to stick with sets and locations already built?

Leia was clearly put into a coma to side line her to create Holdo and the conflict with Poe.

So much of the films dumb shit seems to stem from it being a mess and rewrites changing things. Probably the shit that made it through the most unchanged with the Luke and Rey stuff.

I always liked the idea Mark Hamill didn't know Luke died until the premier and that's why he was so shaken, but it was probably just seeing all his worst fears about how bad the film was come true.

The very fact they didn't keep him alive, especially after Carrie died is retardation of the high most level.
 
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I seem to recall that there was no testing of the film. While the truth to what went on is always hard to know from the amount of grifter shit put online. I do recall that apparently only a handful of people had seen the final film before the premiere.
The "ending battle and first battle got switched" claim was posted on Saltier than Krait shortly after the the subreddit was founded (alas, I do believe the post has been deleted). The Redditor implied that Disney executives were furious with the original cut of The Last Jedi, and ran internal test screenings that did extremely poorly/executives demanded extensive reshoots that pushed back the film's premier from a summer release, to a winter release. Apparently the Knights of Ren had more of an important role/there was going to be a Knights of Ren who pushed back against Kylo/was secretly working against him/he interacted with Finn (maybe he helped Finn escape the Supremacy?) Finn was going to end up back in jail on Canto Bight at the end of the Last Jedi (paralleling Han Solo in carbonite in the Empire Strikes Back). Captain Phasma also allegedly didn't die in the original script.

Snoke's throne room was apparently on Canto Bight (...which would explain his flashy gold robe) and it would have been revealed that Snoke was a construct/puppet (using some sort of ancient Sith technology) invented by the Star Wars universes' equivalent of defense contractors trying to start a new (star) war for profit. Apparently DJ was going to be revealed to have been involved in the creation of Snoke (...which would actually explain his random "both sides suck and only care about money" soliloquy on the Libertine). Upon further thought, I could see why the Disney executives were pissed with the original cut, 'cause it makes the entire film sound like an on-the-nose satire of Disney reviving the Star Wars brand.

I got the impression the Redditor who made the post possibly worked on the film or at Disney, since some of the stuff they revealed seemed legit. Like they claimed the Kylo Ren "let the past die" quote was inspired by this Leonora Carrington quote:

“Do you believe, she went on, that the past dies?

Yes, said Margaret. Yes, if the present cuts its throat.”
 
Wasn't she supposed to remain alive in the original Colin Trevarrow "Duel of Fates" script? Luke also survived, if I remember.

From what I remember of the script leak, it was pretty "meh" but it still managed to sound leagues better than the Rise of Skywalker. I remember General Hux was going to be revealed to be a Jedi weeboo who collected lightsabers, which could have been interesting; albeit cringe but interesting. Also I believe the majority of the film took place on Coruscant? & Kylo Ren fought some kind of Sith-spider creature (what is it with Disney Star Wars & spiders???)
Its much less "shitting on the fans" than the what we got.

I genuinely believe the theory that The Last Jedi tested poorly, and was heavily edited in post to switch the beginning fight scene with the ending fight scene (i.e. the red salt dirt planet fight would have been the opening scene) & to kill off Luke/keep Leia alive. According to the theory, the original ending was the Holdo maneuver, the Snoke throne room fight scene, than fading to black after Kylo Ren asked Rey to join him.
From what i know of Roundhead's work, I don't believe it. He is too much of an Arteeeeest to have let them do that to him.
But that at least sounded better than the shit we got

Edit: I don't think this was "reshot" but I'd buy earlier versions of the script had those scenes reordered
 
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The "ending battle and first battle got switched" claim was posted on Saltier than Krait shortly after the the subreddit was founded (alas, I do believe the post has been deleted). The Redditor implied that Disney executives were furious with the original cut of The Last Jedi, and ran internal test screenings that did extremely poorly/executives demanded extensive reshoots that pushed back the film's premier from a summer release, to a winter release.


Wouldn't they have demanded the Luke stuff get fixed? For the utter nonsense of that film, the core problem is how they handle Luke. Sticking with killing his character after Carrie died seems the opposite of what Disney control and influence would want.

Especially seeing all they literally had to do was not fade his character out.

I could believe the throne room was not intended to be on a Star Destroyer based on the design. An argument against it being Crait is that the Resistance is in a defensive position.

I suspect the film probably wasn't working, but they were too far into production they had to work a lot with what they had planned and built.

I think key to understanding any changes is Poe not going to Canto. It would have dramatically changed everything outside of Luke and Rey on the island. Probably moved where Crait happened and the context. Invented the slow space chase. Various aspects may have been invented in reshoots.

From the behind the scenes stuff in the Crait base. Scenes of Carrie filming. To me it seems there's a different context than the final film. They clearly reshoot some of the Luke stuff and dialogue. Intercut it with dialogue Carrie did to try and make it work.

"I came to face him, I can't save him."
"I know my son's gone."
"No one's ever really gone."

Like what?

I also feel like Leia's scene with Rey on the Falcon at the end is also constructed by refilming Rey and just intercutting some lines of dialogue and reaction shots of Leia to construct a new scene. Or maybe Carrie was just so old, this is the best they could make it.
 
Is this the same writer who wrote that Harley Quinn fart fetish comic?
No that was a woman, and if you check her website bio, it becomes real clear that she has a fart fetish*. I think the guys who wrote the fart wedding were two guys named Ben Acker and Ben Blacker (seriously).
*Nevermind, looks like she's updated it since. Her old bio is still on a Boom Studios page though: https://www.boom-studios.com/archives/sirens-of-the-city-series-announcement/
Joanne Starer has been described as “witty,” “hilarious,” “thoughtful,” and “gassy.” All of these things are true.
 
What would you all say the last time we got a good Star Wars game was? Purely video games, maybe the Force Unleashed in 08, and that's pushing it with just how much of a Gary Stu Starkiller is inb4 SWTOR, no one praises its gameplay. Counting tabletop, maybe the adaptation of Star Wars Rebellion in 2015?
Honestly Skywalker Saga. I'm not joking.

You never wanted to see Gandalf in one of those rice paddy hats and hear him say, "Fry you foors!!!"? #StopAsianHate
"YEWW SHARANAWTTTU PRASSS!!!!!!"

It really is baffling in TLJ they be killing Holdo, Snoke, Luke, Phasma; etc. Why highlight them as important with the usual promo and everything if you're just gonna kill them off anyway? Plasma in particular is the most baffling to me.
 
Maul dueled the two Inquisitors, but his legs suffered and get defeated. Half of these Mandalorian warriors were tired of getting boss around by their bitch Rook Kast and betrayed her and Maul, but all get killed when they managed to steal their only remaining ship.



Savage Opress and Obi-Wan Kenobi make a brief appearance in the Maul show. I was expecting Mother Talzin to show up and get impaled by General Grievous, but nope, they blew it. They give the Dark Disciples fans one scene to adapt and give the Son of Dathomir fans nothing.

Anyway two more episodes left for this overhyped and overrated show.

 
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Wouldn't they have demanded the Luke stuff get fixed? For the utter nonsense of that film, the core problem is how they handle Luke. Sticking with killing his character after Carrie died seems the opposite of what Disney control and influence would want.

Especially seeing all they literally had to do was not fade his character out.
No, part of the theory claims Disney executives were mad at Mark Hammill for all his divisive political sperging post 2016-elections, & at the last minute ordered Rian Johnson to kill off and/or severely injure (i.e. leave his fate ambiguous) Luke in a lightsaber battle with Kylo Ren. That's why the Crait lightsaber scene looks terrible - it was filmed last and edited in postproduction. Heck, Adam Driver has long hair in the scene because said scene was filmed while he was working on the movie "Logan Lucky".

Mark Hammill was also apparently difficult to work with/butted heads with J.J. Abrams & Rian Johnson didn't care much for him either. This Last Jedi promotional magazine article excerpt hints at behind the scenes discord:

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The original Luke ending was going to be his interaction with ghost Yoda, burning the Jedi book tree, and implying he was going to go save Rey (a line that makes little sense in the context of released cut of the film, but would make sense if a post-throneroom fight scene injured Rey went off somewhere with Kylo Ren).

I could believe the throne room was not intended to be on a Star Destroyer based on the design. An argument against it being Crait is that the Resistance is in a defensive position.
It was allegedly supposed to be on Canto Bight/the space camel races Monte Carlo-planet.

Anyway, it'd be interesting if there's lost footage/if a "Snyder Cut" style Last Jedi could be pieced together. (Although The Last Jedi would still be shit).
 
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The problem is, we already saw Maul kill the shit out of the Inquisitors. Unless these two are far more powerful, they won't amount to much.

The thing about horror films that keeps them fresh is suspense. If your scary monster already got killed by someone far less intimidating, (Ahsoka) then they're not that scary.
It also doesn't help that this is reads as some really pathetic and sad attempt to copy how general grievous was depicted in the original Tartakovsky Clone Wars run. It feels like an attempt to try to appeal to and steal from that. Because that was how Grievous was introduced; he was treated as an unstoppable killer akin to something like Jason Voorhees.
 
It also doesn't help that this is reads as some really pathetic and sad attempt to copy how general grievous was depicted in the original Tartakovsky Clone Wars run. It feels like an attempt to try to appeal to and steal from that. Because that was how Grievous was introduced; he was treated as an unstoppable killer akin to something like Jason Voorhees.
At least back then, we didn't know who the fuck Grievous is. Unless you we were reading the books, the cartoon was your only information, and this was before Revenge of the Sith came out, so Grievous had a fresh slate.

Meanwhile, we know the crow-faced dude gets killed by Ahsoka, and Marrok also dies by Ahsoka's hand. So Maul is just getting jumped by Ahsoka's sloppy seconds.
 
I genuinely believe the theory that The Last Jedi tested poorly, and was heavily edited in post to switch the beginning fight scene with the ending fight scene (i.e. the red salt dirt planet fight would have been the opening scene) & to kill off Luke/keep Leia alive. According to the theory, the original ending was the Holdo maneuver, the Snoke throne room fight scene, than fading to black after Kylo Ren asked Rey to join him.

Wow, that would have been awesome to have the second film of the trilogy open with a battle between rebel speeder type vehicles, trenches and Imperial walkers on white snow salt. That would have been something fresh and new!
 
Meanwhile, we know the crow-faced dude gets killed by Ahsoka, and Marrok also dies by Ahsoka's hand. So Maul is just getting jumped by Ahsoka's sloppy seconds.
Yeah but Dave doesn't know or care about that because he only gives a shit about the now and doesn't remember nor care about consistency. Ignore that even the coked out '80s cartoons at least attempted to keep things consistent.

This is a guy who basically will come up with as many excuses as needed to just have the thing happen on screen.
 
Yeah but Dave doesn't know or care about that because he only gives a shit about the now and doesn't remember nor care about consistency. Ignore that even the coked out '80s cartoons at least attempted to keep things consistent.

This is a guy who basically will come up with as many excuses as needed to just have the thing happen on screen.
He's not even consistent with his own cartoons.

TCW Maul would've dog-walked the Inquisitors. He was defeating full-blown Jedi Knights. His brother Savage was Force-choking both Asajj and Dooku, and they established quite clearly that Maul is stronger than him. The Inquisitors are consistently portrayed as being weaker than that generation of Jedi and Sith. For them to be giving Maul such a hard time makes no sense.
 
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The only reason the prequels are getting reevaluated is because modern media is so shit they look good in comparison plus Fandom becoming so insane they gaslight themselves into liking garbage.
To be fair, the Prequels had a mixed reception even when they came out. The critics hated them, but most fans and viewers loved them. If most people really hated the Prequels, then TPM would've been the only profitable PT film, and both AOTC and ROTS would've bombed. Especially when great films like the Harry Potter series and the LOTR trilogy came out around the same time.
 
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