Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Yeah my rebuttal to that is both rise of Skywalker and The Last Jedi made a lot of money too despite being visual eye rape. It wasn't most fans. It was hit and miss for a good while.

And I'm going to be frank a lot of the reason it's being reevaluated is it has side material that's good, and there was craft that was put into it, which today can't do for the most part. It also helped that I still really think that only attack of the clones is bad. I really don't like Jake Lloyd, and I think the ending is a bit clustered in episode 1. Episode 3 is at least enjoyable, and while I think the final fight could be cut down by about half the time, it's still a solid film.

If this was any other industry Hollywood would have gone collectively bankrupt and bought out by Arab billionaires by now. And this would still be an improvement.

Like the quality control standards that Hollywood are so low that it makes quite a lot of crap from 20 years ago look fantastic by comparison.
 
And I'm going to be frank a lot of the reason it's being reevaluated is it has side material that's good
we're talking about the prequels, right?
that if this was any other industry Hollywood would have gone collectively bankrupt and bought out by Arab billionaires by now.
i genuinely wonder how that'd be a bad thing at this point
rich arabs doth protest too much and aren't nearly as gay as the jews
sure, they're just as retarded, also being sandniggers, but they're less likely to ram fervent tardfaggot shit down everyone's throats

oh you edited your post to be longer and clear things up
never mind
 
Yeah my rebuttal to that is both rise of Skywalker and The Last Jedi made a lot of money too despite being visual eye rape. It wasn't most fans. It was hit and miss for a good while.
Last Jedi got good views off the back off TFA, but the bad press led to Solo tanking. As for Rise of Skywalker, it made bank by being the opposite of TLJ, literally reversing everything TLJ did.

Also, the merchandising. TLJ merchandise rotted on the shelves. Whereas PT merchandise flew off the shelves rather quick. Even if it's some action figures of Jedi who were barely in the film. Like, imagine action figures of a Jedi like Kit Fisto who lasted a few seconds against Palpy McScrotumFace.

And I'm going to be frank a lot of the reason it's being reevaluated is it has side material that's good, and there was craft that was put into it, which today can't do for the most part. It also helped that I still really think that only attack of the clones is bad. I really don't like Jake Lloyd, and I think the ending is a bit clustered in episode 1. Episode 3 is at least enjoyable, and while I think the final fight could be cut down by about half the time, it's still a solid film.
The PT was a lot like the first four Michael Bay Transformers films and the Mario Galaxy film, in that while the critics thought they were ass cancer personified, the fans and audiences at least had some laughs and some fun.

Funny how you say EP3. While I love EP3 as much as EP5, the PT movie people loved the most was Phantom Menace, on account of Darth Maul's acrobatics and the traditional story of good defeating evil. At least that's what I got out of the average dork who watched the films.
 
I’ve been reading some EU Star Wars books + playing KOTOR.

Is it me or is the EU genuinely superior? I actually am pissed off that so many EU games/books were retconned out of the timeline and replaced with gay corposlop bullshit.

Star Wars EU had so many better ideas than Disney slop it’s not even funny. The timeline was fleshed out for 20,000+ years, the arcs were amazing, the authors worked with Lucas to keep it streamlined. The video games hit their zenith between 1999-2008, augmenting the expanded universe of Star Wars. Disney has effectively managed to kill off Star Wars in five years and besides maybe Andor, there’s no new Star Wars medium that people are excited for.

Probably one of the greatest evils Disney has done was shut down LucasArts and canceling Star Wars: 1313. The moment the EU canon was eliminated in 2014 was the moment that Lucas’s vision of his franchise died.
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To be fair, the Prequels had a mixed reception even when they came out. The critics hated them, but most fans and viewers loved them. If most people really hated the Prequels, then TPM would've been the only profitable PT film, and both AOTC and ROTS would've bombed. Especially when great films like the Harry Potter series and the LOTR trilogy came out around the same time.
Hell, ROTS managed to rebound from AOTC and was actually 2005’s biggest hit.

The prequels also had their openings increased by film, so clearly fans still loved SW even if the prequels were a bit awkward.
 
No, part of the theory claims Disney executives were mad at Mark Hammill for all his divisive political sperging post 2016-elections, & at the last minute ordered Rian Johnson to kill off and/or severely injure (i.e. leave his fate ambiguous) Luke in a lightsaber battle with Kylo Ren. That's why the Crait lightsaber scene looks terrible - it was filmed last and edited in postproduction. Heck, Adam Driver has long hair in the scene because said scene was filmed while he was working on the movie "Logan Lucky".

Mark Hammill was also apparently difficult to work with/butted heads with J.J. Abrams & Rian Johnson didn't care much for him either. This Last Jedi promotional magazine article excerpt hints at behind the scenes discord:

That Crait light saber battle always just screamed late reshoot in how it looked. I find it hard to believe they'd kill of Luke due to Hamill's political sperging. Hamill's issues with TLJ was cental in the press and behind-the-scenes material. In part because I think in hindsight they knew he was right.

I wonder if TLJ originally had a much more nothing ending. Less resolved and they ended up cobbling together something to be a more "satisfying" ending.

The whole things dumb. Rey just happy and flying around shooting ties out of the sky as if the previous events didn't happen. The Resistance utterly failing being presented as a massive win to inspire hope in the galaxy. Some little slave kid telling stories of Luke facing off to Kylo Renn. When no one saw that happen but TFO, who's only ever motivation given in the films was to destroy Luke. Which they did.

I hope we do get proper tellings of all that went on one day.
 
Eleventh brother? I know some of yall are interested in this but I cant stand all of these brothers, sisters , inquistors, space wolves and other filoni made up force users. Star Wars used to be so much simpler and it was better, all of this current stuff is dumb and really is so different it may as well just be another franchise.
FWIW, Filoni didn't make up the Inquisition; that was West End Games! He instead took something that someone else made that was good and then made it terrible, just like his entire career.
 
I’ve been reading some EU Star Wars books + playing KOTOR.

Is it me or is the EU genuinely superior? I actually am pissed off that so many EU games/books were retconned out of the timeline and replaced with gay corposlop bullshit.

Star Wars EU had so many better ideas than Disney slop it’s not even funny. The timeline was fleshed out for 20,000+ years, the arcs were amazing, the authors worked with Lucas to keep it streamlined. The video games hit their zenith between 1999-2008, augmenting the expanded universe of Star Wars. Disney has effectively managed to kill off Star Wars in five years and besides maybe Andor, there’s no new Star Wars medium that people are excited for.

Probably one of the greatest evils Disney has done was shut down LucasArts and canceling Star Wars: 1313. The moment the EU canon was eliminated in 2014 was the moment that Lucas’s vision of his franchise died.
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I laughed my ass off when people started claiming that Andor was the first time Star Wars did mature storytelling.

One of the first books I read from the SWEU was Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, which dealt with a lot of the politics and military action that happened RIGHT AFTER Revenge of the Sith. Of biggest note is Palpatine trying to justify what happened in Order 66, tiptoeing around the questions the Senate brings up, making suggestions and implications that allowed him to justify what he did, while also not giving the Senate enough information on how the war ended, just to keep them reliant on him.

Palpatine has to deal with the Senate, he has to deal with Vader having a crisis of faith, he has to deal with the news of Jedi remnants and clones disobeying orders, and he deals with each one realistically. Like a politician would.

Andor was not the first time they did realistic/mature politics. The first book I read from the SWEU did the same fucking thing.

Hell, ROTS managed to rebound from AOTC and was actually 2005’s biggest hit.

The prequels also had their openings increased by film, so clearly fans still loved SW even if the prequels were a bit awkward.
My point exactly. Prequel mania was strong as fuck, and the way the SW fans ate up all the merch and all the marketing was proof of it. And they competed with genuinely great film series such as the LOTR and Harry Potter films. They came out when Hollywood had a higher quality ceiling, so competing with them was no easy task, let alone overshadowing them.

Deep down, I think RLM is jealous of the fact that their beloved Star Trek, even at its best, was behind Star Wars in cultural relevancy, even when compared to the Prequels. No amount of Picard making grandiose speeches can compete with Darth Maul lighting up his double-blade for the first time, for instance. Hell, even Anakin's whining about sand is more memorable.

The problem is, they're having Maul struggle against Ahsoka's sloppy seconds. The right thing to have done is NOT have Marrok and the Crow die to Ahsoka. Or if they do die to her, have it so that it's after a long, grueling fight that Ahsoka nearly dies from, a la Anakin vs. Obi-Wan on Mustafar. The problem is, they already castrated these particular Inquisitors off the bat by having Ahsoka easily dispose of them, so when Maul start struggling against them, he looks like a chump.

What should've happened is Maul making fools of them; show us the difference between the education of an Inquisitor, and the education of a full-blown Sith Lord. Don't just have a few flashbacks of kid Maul, have it so that Maul goes through flashbacks of his entire training process, then he surmises what the Inquisitors learned by fighting them. Sidious gave him the full Sith education course, these morons just got put through a neutered version of Dark Side boot camp. Sidious taught him the ins and outs of each lightsaber form, these yahoos use Mary Poppins helicopter-sabers because they're not skilled enough to twirl with a double-bladed lightsaber the old-fashioned way.

The result should be the Sith equivalent of Omni-Man looking at jet fighters and mocking them, saying something like "look what they need to mimic my power!" in front of the Jedi Padawan. Then he kicks the shit out of the Inquisitors, to the point where the Jedi Padawan is greatly impressed, and that's where their relationship starts. I mean, this was something we all expected out of him in this show, especially since we did see Maul kill the shit out of the Inquisitors in Rebels, so him struggling against them here makes little sense.

Meanwhile, as the Inquisitors are distracted by Maul and the Jedi, the Zabraks and Mandalorians who are part of Maul's gang would spend that time plundering some supply depot used by the Imperials to store their equipment, so the gang can sell that shit on the black market. They make a mint selling Stormtrooper costumes and LAAT gunships to rich offworld aristocrats who want to undermine Imperial operations. You can even have a young Saw Gerrera buy Imperial gear and weapons from Maul's gang, which would create a bond of continuity with other SW animated shows, and it would explain why Saw has TK trooper gear in the Bad Batch cartoon; you can have it so that Maul's people sold that shit to him. Saw and Maul having a mutual hatred of the Empire would make them very good business partners for the years to come.

At this point, you have the Empire slowly spreading, slowly making life harder for many people who wish to stick to their local customs and power structures, so Maul can make a killing selling to them what they need to fight back, and stealing that shit from the Empire would be both extremely profitable, AND a slap on Palpatine's face, which would give Maul the satisfaction he needs after Palpatine killed his mother and brother. Maul and his crew could also act as expensive mercenaries, so that rich, anti-Imperial aristocrats like Mon Mothma and Bail Organa can pay him to inflict severe damage on Imperial installations, something which Maul would likely do on his own, but his men would obviously love getting paid well to do it.

That way, you can have Maul be shown as someone who is very skilled in terms of the worldly aspects of running a criminal syndicate, while him slapping around Inquisitors makes him also look strong in the spiritual aspect of the Dark Side. His Mandalorian servants are loyal as a result of all the money they're bringing in by selling stolen Imperial gear and taking jobs destroying Imperial installations, and him slapping around Inquisitors would attract Jedi who are considering a different path after the Order went kaput. That's the kind of shit you need to sell a Maul TV show; make him supremely competent at running a crime organization and being a Sith; that way, the fans are invested, and the Empire would have to bring out the big guns like Vader to bring him down and reduce him to the hobo that we see in Rebels.
 
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Poor Shaak Ti got two death scenes so its always one or the other with her death.

Baris Offee and Luminara Unduli have interesting storylines in my opinion, but it is all locked behind non film media. Although I think Baris was in The Bad Batch.

They still never gave us Fennec Shand's origin story either.
 
Baris Offee and Luminara Unduli have interesting storylines in my opinion, but it is all locked behind non film media. Although I think Baris was in The Bad Batch.
I don't think it wasthe Bad Batch, I think it was one of those anthology cartoons.

I remember though, someone once told me that he thought Barriss was a bland and flat character, which left me confused since she has three books where she's a main character to flesh her out. Then he told me that he was going off of TCW and it all made sense.
 
No, part of the theory claims Disney executives were mad at Mark Hammill for all his divisive political sperging post 2016-elections, & at the last minute ordered Rian Johnson to kill off and/or severely injure (i.e. leave his fate ambiguous) Luke in a lightsaber battle with Kylo Ren. That's why the Crait lightsaber scene looks terrible - it was filmed last and edited in postproduction.
The problem with this theory was Hammill's polisperging was completely in-line with Disney Reeeeeeeesistance marching orders at the time. They would have promoted him harder if they had any thoughts about his political hottakes. Look at the shit they had the main cast spewing about racism and other bullshit.

Anyway, it'd be interesting if there's lost footage/if a "Snyder Cut" style Last Jedi could be pieced together. (Although The Last Jedi would still be shit).
I believe there were some script changes, possibly after set design had be done, but I don't believe there is any "lost footage".
A gay re-do of Hoth but salt would have made a lot more sense than Space Bombers. I can also see Ruin trying his gay 'all war is us dancing to corporations' shit and then deciding or being convinced it woudn't work.
The original script was going to give Rose a glow-up moment.

Mark Hammill was also apparently difficult to work with/butted heads with J.J. Abrams & Rian Johnson didn't care much for him either. This Last Jedi promotional magazine article excerpt hints at behind the scenes discord:
The article doesn't imply that at all. Maybe difficulties with JJ, since it sounds like Hammil felt he was sold a bill of goods, but it sounds like he started out against Ruin's destruction of the character and then like a good little cuck came right around on making the OT completely redundant and pointless.

KKK was trying to cram in her grrlpower, Disney was letting her because destroying the OT removed any ties to Lucas, and the only reason it didn't work is because KKK was a retarded incompetent null-creativity Wine Aunt with a tentacle fetish and mad at George.
 
I always liked the idea Mark Hamill didn't know Luke died until the premier and that's why he was so shaken, but it was probably just seeing all his worst fears about how bad the film was come true.

The very fact they didn't keep him alive, especially after Carrie died is retardation of the high most level.

The original Luke ending was going to be his interaction with ghost Yoda, burning the Jedi book tree, and implying he was going to go save Rey (a line that makes little sense in the context of released cut of the film, but would make sense if a post-throneroom fight scene injured Rey went off somewhere with Kylo Ren).
The sequels were really fucked from the beginning because Kathleen Kennedy lost the plot by trying to make it an allegory for second and third-wave feminism, and JJ Abrams being a total hack of a storyteller. There's dozens of ways the sequels could have turned out really well, but it requires people who know what they're doing and aren't relying on a rabid fanbase to unquestioningly swallow whatever corpo-slop you dish out. Favreau seems to have been the only one in the entire Lucasfilm team that understood how the fanbase thinks, which is probably why Kennedy ultimately sidelined him for Filoni and his weird Ashoka fetish.

I also don't think they understood that the fanbase--the actual fanbase, not the niche demographics they were pandering to that were ambivalent about Star Wars, at best--wanted to see the OG characters together one last time. Outside of the many problems of The Force Awakens, killing Han after nerfing him back to being a third-rate smuggler and a deadbeat dad on top of that, left a really bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Killing off Luke after that epitomized the incompetence of the Kennedy team at Lucasfilm, and instead of course-correcting, they doubled down and made the problem worse.

Carrie passing away was an unfortunate event beyond their control, but if they had gone with what the fans wanted in the first place, it would have been a sad event but people would have still been grateful that Abrams and Kennedy managed to bring everyone together on screen before we lost her.
 
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Yeah my rebuttal to that is both rise of Skywalker and The Last Jedi made a lot of money

As for Rise of Skywalker, it made bank
Rise of Palpatine did not make bank. The production and marketing budgets combined was $528 million and it had $1.077 billion in box office revenue. "It made twice its budget back! That's mad profit, bro!" Says the idiot. Slight problem with that, Disney gets 53% of the total box office revenue. That means Disney made $571 million in revenue. That means Disney made a grand total of $43 million in profit. Spending over half a billion to make not even $50 million in profit is not sustainable.
 
I believe there were some script changes, possibly after set design had be done, but I don't believe there is any "lost footage".
A gay re-do of Hoth but salt would have made a lot more sense than Space Bombers. I can also see Ruin trying his gay 'all war is us dancing to corporations' shit and then deciding or being convinced it woudn't work.
The original script was going to give Rose a glow-up moment
In one of the few cases that you can genuinely blame RLM for something, Ruin actually did admit that they scared him. So what likely happened was he juked and moved around stuff to make it less of a copy of The Empire Strikes Back. I personally think most of this idea is just fucking cope, but I can buy the film being rewritten. Disney's been incompetent in that regard just for a long time.

And a billion is good money and making bank for a blockbuster. It's on RatCo and Jarjar Abrams for blowing the money into a poorly thought out follow up to try and unfuck things. I really imagine you could probably cut about 100 to 150 million easily from its budget if they just fucking planned it out. Because remember directors and producers are dumb and seem to believe that they can just fix a movie constantly through CGI. Some of the worst examples of that was later MCU garbage.
 
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