Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

The abortion sub-plot is just bad writing and a reminder of Kirkmann's inabilities as a writer.

Eva knows that Mark is part of an endangered species and that if he doesnt come back alive, there will be a part of him that lives on through the child or if he does, that he will be overjoyed at becoming a father and more determined to fight for the future.

"She didnt know what would come out of her!"

Maybe not but it is not like she didnt have huge amount of friends and family to help out. Even letting Cecil help out would have been better than nothing, it would sure be in his best interests in making sure it goes smoothly. And if the problem is resources? Did she forget she can just create gold out of practically nothing-ness? And didnt she consider for one moment that a viltrumite with her powers could lead into what might be Earth's most powerful protector? Its not like there werent looming threats that sure could use a powerhouse against them.

So many workarounds and possibilities that she literally flushed down the toilet because she was "afraid". And all they had to do was just say it was a miscarriage or something, maybe as a result of her powers possibly getting in the way of her becoming a mother at all, giving a touch of tragedy to her own nature.

But no, she is the victim here that deserves all the pity even tho Mark is the one that just lost his unborn kid whilest also having a group of super alien barbarians in his doorstep basically threatening to take over or destroy everything if he doesnt play along. Sure, Eva is the victim here.
 
yes, it's ridiculous and why the show is going to turn into absolute dogshit
they had the chance to fix everything that went wrong in invincible's second half but didn't fix one of the most glaring horrible fucking mistakes
and they made it even worse with thragg's utterly retarded changed backstory

In hindsight, the show's only good changes were giving Rex more of an arc (Fuck Kirkman for skipping his special when it's probably the hardest hitting one of the franchise), letting the Omni-Man murder mystery stew, giving more screentime to the Invincible War (it really was over in a flash with barely any scenes in the comics but served to give a lot of Image hero cameos absent in this for obvious reasons), sparing Omnimark (his design was unique compared to the original surviving basic bitch Marks, and I wanted to give the show more credits despite them switching his Nolan kill to Sinister Mark's) and having Angstrom's hate boner make some sense (even if it is lol brain damage)
 
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The handsome tard said:
"She didnt know what would come out of her!"
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this alone is retarded, because there's already significant precedent for human-viltrumite interbreeding, aka THE FATHER OF HER FUCKING CHILD??? and I never read her origin comic, but weren't her powers implanted in her? so why the fuck would they be inherited? is the child born with a prosthetic arm if the mother has a prosthetic arm in this universe? shit is retarded. it's shock value for the sake of shock value, total eve death
 
God of Nothing said:
I'm loving that criticism is starting to come out after a dogshit season that ruined the story's peak.
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The unfortunate reality is that most people don't actually care about the quality of the animation. For the first seasons they saved budget for key moments, but now that they have people locked in they can neglect it.
 
So I'm not sure how others feel about this but is the Viltrumite empire somehow extremly underdeveloped?

I mean the empire is basically just Thragg's personal cult of a few dozen superpowered yes men that bully a few planets around that serve them as slaves and that's it somehow. Like the problem is that just with the stuff you hear about them in the first few seasons they actually sound interesting as a galaxy spanning hyper perfectionist fascist state, but in reality all other planets that supposedly serve them are basically non existant.

Even though realistically speaking they need atleast a few million somewhat loyal pencil pushers to keep their interplanetary logistics running.
Especially since the under 50 Viltrumites probably don't have time to personally control all their taxes or some shit, so realistically speaking without a reliable control structure their slaves could probably logistically and financially sabotage their efforts in a multitude of ways that they probably wouldn't even be able to figure out without being very well versed in that matter.

Like I don't expect them to talk about Viltrumite taxes in the show, but atleast they could have done something like having a gang of different alien commanders as background characters that usually hang around with the Viltrumites and whose demeanor makes it clear that most of them are actually loyal to their superiors as an explanation for why their empire doesn't falls apart immediately.
 
Like I said I don't expect capeshit cartoons to talk about finances or some shit, that's also not why I watch them, it's just that the main badguy faction that was supposed to be an intergalactic empire is kinda underwhelming and the giant war for the fate of the entire universe feels small as fuck.
 
Dante Alighieri said:
Same energy as GRRM asking what Aragon's tax policy was.
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Why would an immortal race of nearly god-like people who can travel space without ships actually need money?
They'd just tell some other aliens they've intimidated into submission to build them whatever they need or die, and they'd do it: a single Viltrumite can devastate any world save maybe the Geldarians'. It's not a matter of if. Thaedus admitted 50 alone is enough that no one in the galaxy or universe or whatever scale could actually stop them united.
 
GeorgeSmarty said:
Like I said I don't expect capeshit cartoons to talk about finances or some shit, that's also not why I watch them, it's just that the main badguy faction that was supposed to be an intergalactic empire is kinda underwhelming and the giant war for the fate of the entire universe feels small as fuck.
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Scale is a huge problem with Invincible. Invincible isn't bottom of the rung, but that doesn't matter because nearly every guy he goes up against is a galaxy's length up the ladder from him, so when we get some smaller plot where he has to go to hell and punch something that's somehow stronger than satan, he thwacks the problem away with a punch and makes satan look like a total bitch. Shonen mangas have had this shit down for decades, just look at One Piece. The current villain is always stronger than Luffy, so Luffy has to adapt to the villain's strength. Invincible? He...got stronger than Conquest after their first fight. No idea how, he just did. He's strong enough to survive having his organs ripped out while strangling Conquest. And then he fights the only guy stronger than that, and that guy makes Conquest look like a fucking joke, he no-sells everything like he's fucking Hulk Hogan. There's no "how is he gonna beat freddie mercury," there's just "he's gonna beat freddie mercury when the writer says it's time for freddie mercury to get giga aids and take a dive." I know that at the end of the day, that's always going to be the case, but I'm saying it feels like there's no mystery to it. Sure, Goku gets a different hair color and fires a stronger Kamehameha than the previous one, but that's something. Invincible doesn't even get that, he just punches harder.

So then you've got the Viltrum empire, the great Viltrum empire. They're technologically advanced, and we like that. We like their strength and the way they supposedly control the galaxy. All we see of that is a race of fodder soldiers in a single battle that surrender the moment the Superman nazis get scared and fly off, or two scenes where the ultra giga strong men are wasting their time looking over some slaves doing slave work when the Viltrumites could just do that shit in a fraction of the time if they felt like it. All their technology boils down to "We found new ways to enslave people" because they don't need anything to advance their race. They can fly, so all they need vehicles and space ships for is transporting more slaves. Their fists can eradicate planets, so they don't need weapons. Their skin is super giga hyper tough, so they don't need armor. They have amazing medical advancements that Earthlings could never dream of, but the most we see are Viltrumites chucking sick Viltrumites into isolation so they can die alone. They have no sense of brotherhood, because they'll kill each other the second they're told to. How the hell did they not collapse before the virus? Thaedus was right, the only good Viltrumite is a dead one. They're not a race of Supermans, they're a race of Lennies, and everyone looks like a bunny to them.
 
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God of Nothing said:
Why would an immortal race of nearly god-like people who can travel space without ships actually need money?
They'd just tell some other aliens they've intimidated into submission to build them whatever they need or die, and they'd do it: a single Viltrumite can devastate any world save maybe the Geldarians'. It's not a matter of if. Thaedus admitted 50 alone is enough that no one in the galaxy or universe or whatever scale could actually stop them united.
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Like I said I don't care about the fictional tax policies of capeshit comics, I just think a galactic empire that feels like it is just made up from 50 goofy Saiyajin knockoffs and like 200 slaves is somewhat underwhelming.

My point was more that it seems funny that the Viltrumite empire are supposed to be that super advanced civilization that can easily stop climate change or some shit but the show never tries to make them believeable or functional (what a surprise), because how the fuck are 50 bullies supposed to control trillions of people that all hate them and can fuck them over in ways that aren't even obvious to figure out.

Like my complaint would have been fixed if they just once highlighted the fact that like 99,99999% of the Viltrumite empire aren't Viltrumites. Imagine if during Thraggs speech it would zoom out at the end and reveal that there are alien leaders from hundreds of different planets present trough holographics who swear allience to Thragg's cause. It would make the empire seem much more threatening than just being Thragg's football team that need to hear his coach speech and than screw up anyways.

Like talented authors can write the same shit and make feel it much larger just by adding a few small details.
 
GeorgeSmarty said:
Like I said I don't care about the fictional tax policies of capeshit comics, I just think a galactic empire that feels like it is just made up from 50 goofy Saiyajin knockoffs and like 200 slaves is somewhat underwhelming.

My point was more that it seems funny that the Viltrumite empire are supposed to be that super advanced civilization that can easily stop climate change or some shit but the show never tries to make them believeable or functional (what a surprise), because how the fuck are 50 bullies supposed to control trillions of people that all hate them and can fuck them over in ways that aren't even obvious to figure out.

Like my complaint would have been fixed if they just once highlighted the fact that like 99,99999% of the Viltrumite empire aren't Viltrumites. Imagine if during Thraggs speech it would zoom out at the end and reveal that there are alien leaders from hundreds of different planets present trough holographics who swear allience to Thragg's cause. It would make the empire seem much more threatening than just being Thragg's football team that need to hear his coach speech and than screw up anyways.

Like talented authors can write the same shit and make feel it much larger just by adding a few small details.
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sorry, all the budget went to the lukewarm voice actors and dramatic overplayed schizo hallucinations are more important
 
The thing is they could automatically make the Viltrumite empire more interesting by just adding like 3 or 4 gimmicky main species that support them.
Like idk you could just introduce a borg/bugs from Starship Troopers knockoff species that have the gimmick that they absorb the biomass and technology from other species to become more powerful but still got defeated by the Viltrumites who left them alive after realizing that they can be reasoned with and gave them the job to absorb conquered planets who refuse to fall in line no matter how hard they are punished so that the ressources there can still be useful for the empire.

Like literally anything man.
 
I posted this in the boys thread, figured I'd post it here too.
Oilspill Battery said:
I've heard people call invincible white people dragonball Z and I think the comparison applies. Its dogshit writing with zero concern for logic or consistency or themes or consequences or even basic cause and effect, but it has hype moments and aura and constant escelation to attempt to keep things intresting with characters that are at least midly likable with enough charm/charisma to keep you over. Its like a sloppy opera without sustainable writing but it is fun for what it is because its at least doing its own thing unlike the boys that's a 24/7 rage sesh against orange man.
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i can't stop laughing
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I’m really starting to feel this show just coasted on the good will of Season 1. And I don’t know if it always had “PNG Animation” or I just notice it more after it was pointed out. Because shit feels BrodyQuest.
 
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