Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Gunty King]

Because if you don’t have a trust you technically can’t even let your brother borrow a rifle you put a can on at the deer lease unless you’re within “direct supervision” which is basically interpretable as within arms length

Fair enough, though you'd need a really anal ATF agent and a very unfavorable court to actually side with an interpretation that strict. I know it's not actually law, but my FFL always told me something along the lines of "Just don't hand it to them then leave and you'll be fine."
I guess it is possible, but even if I get it on a trust, none of my friends are gonna fill out a responsible persons form, get their fingerprints done, and submit all that to the ATF a month in advance. Every other family member of mine hates guns so that's no concern either.

The trust also allows you to will your arsenal instead of being forced to surrender it upon time of death.

This part is actually untrue and an old NFA myth that still persists for some reason. If you owned a NFA item as an individual, then died, the item is held by the executor of the will until the person who receives it in your will completes a form 5 for a tax free transfer. Even back when transfers cost $200, Form 5s were always free.
The only downside compared to trusts is they have to wait however long it takes for the Form 5 to be approved and their background check to process before getting it from the executor of the will.
The only time it's surrendered is if nobody in your will wants it/is legally able to own it.
Source: https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/what-happens-to-your-silencer-when-you-die/ (Yeah I know, Silencer Central sucks dick, but this is the only good writeup about it I could find.)

This. Despite owning a can himself my dad can't take mine if I die .

Do it because even if you don't know who will want it I'll take it and it WON'T go to the ATF

Are you sure? As long as you say in your will something to the effect of "I bequeath my 556 Huxwrx Suppressor to my father Mr. Bassomatic Sr." he should just be able to fill out a form 5 and take possession of it once atf gives the thumbs up. I'm pretty sure they don't even have to be related to you.

 

[Taser Confetti]

It would be on the FFL to retain the information, not submitted to a centralized database. I don't particularly agree with the move since, as I alluded to above, it will(fuck you, it will) be accessed by malicious actors and, more specifically as a risk to the FFL, is subject to the longevity and durability of their storage hardware.

Frankly, I assume the DHS or NSA knows everything I’ve ever purchased.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The trust also allows you to will your arsenal instead of being forced to surrender it upon time of death.

This is wrong. I got my grandfather's musket, sister got a 45 acp revolver

 

[Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa]

Fair warning, if you’ve never done this before (like normal people) there’s a very good chance your gonna produce shit prints that’ll get rejected.

That's fair. I've sent in a good number without having any rejected, but if anyone is thinking of doing this for the first time, watch a video tutorial on YouTube first.

The key thing is just to place each finger straight down (on its side), roll from one edge of the nail to the other, and then bring the finger straight back up to avoid smudging. It's pretty obvious when you've done this correctly because you'll have square-ish prints with good contrast between the ridges and valleys. If you practice on some scrap paper it doesn't take too long to figure out the technique.

This. Despite owning a can himself my dad can't take mine if I die .

Do it because even if you don't know who will want it I'll take it and it WON'T go to the ATF

Unless your state has some weird laws about this, legally-owned NFA items can be transferred to your next of kin on a form 5. Trusts certainly make estate stuff easier, but they aren't necessary.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Fair enough, though you'd need a really anal ATF agent and a very unfavorable court to actually side with an interpretation that strict. I know it's not actually law, but my FFL always told me something along the lines of "Just don't hand it to them then leave and you'll be fine."

You don’t want to spend the years and god knows legal fees to be the martyr that fixes this.

 

[a-Lager]

Alright turning everything I own into an SBR now that I dont have to defile it just to have less than the 20 whoops we sold people millions of m1 carbines actually 16 inch minimum

 

[Bassomatic]

this, legally-owned NFA items can be transferred to your next of kin on a form 5. Trusts certainly make estate stuff easier, but they aren't necessary.

From my understanding my wife is my NOK not my Dad. My wife likes guns well enough and has a carry permit but if something happens she's just let em sit and get dusty.
I have a will and all that but my trust for this goes way back to my first stamp and basically everyone said you had to do it or lose your shit can't lend etc.

 

[The Dude]

I was already planning on SBRing my Franklin Armory F22, but if they're getting rid of engraving entirely then I'm also going to SBR my FK Brno PSD and get that clip-on stock for it. The pistol already comes with the mounting bracket as stock, but it just wasn't worth the $200, plus cost of engraving, plus the cost of the stock. Now it'll just be the cost of the stock. Definitely something to look at after I buy my Colt and get it set up for carry. Also still need to get a Marlin lever rifle. Probably going to get the 1895 SBL .45-70 Gov, but I might get the 1894 SBL in .44 Magnum if I get the Colt Kodiak. Either way, my SilencerCo Hybrid 46M will handle suppressing whichever Marlin I get.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

Remove the list of former Soviet countries from which ATF currently denies applications to permanently import most firearms and ammunition, retaining only the Russian Federation"

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. You're telling me spam cans of K-food are back on the table? Oh hell yes.

 

[Total Annihilation]

Yooo get the bumpy boiz back out and slap a pistol brace on it.

I hope this cuck is seething about it right now.

 

[plgfarts]

any recommendations where or what I should do to get my fingerprinting done for NFA items for the cheapest possible price?

Depending on your relationship with and how much you trust your local sheriff, you can contact your county jail and ask them to fingerprint and email the file directly to you. That's what I did but I know my sheriff on a personal basis and trust my local constabulary so YMMV.

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

I thought 4473s were forbidden from being digitized or centralized in a database

I checked the actual ATF website and it says this:

"ATF is proposing to formally authorize Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) to generate, maintain, and store required records, including ATF Form 4473 and Acquisition and Disposition (A&D) records, using electronic record-keeping systems. ATF has already permitted this practice for many licensees through blanket and individual variance authorizations. This proposal codifies that authority into regulation, standardizing electronic recordkeeping across the industry, reducing the paperwork burden on licensees, and enhancing ATF’s ability to support timely firearm tracing and investigative efforts."

My understanding is that the FFL holder gets to keep a digitized copy, but presumably, a hard copy is mailed to the government. The ending section makes it sound like the ATF pulls the records from the FFL and not their database for investigations, which I find a little hard to believe, unless they think the FFL can supply their digitized FFL faster than the ATF can find the hardcopy? I always assumed they kept a digitized database of 4473s and ignored the law so I would assume that will continue regardless of the wording of the changes, or perhaps that's the database they actually use for tracing and investigative efforts.

So, clear as mud, in my opinion. I don't know if any resident FFLs feel like powerleveling and clarifying, if they know more, because beyond that I am somewhat confused on the exact mechanisms at play here.

 

[quaawaa]

Allow “Non-Over-the-Counter” firearm sales by FFLs to residents of the same state

This is the biggest one. I think it legalizes mail-ordering guns straight to your door provided the store is based in your state.

 

[CrackPipeCowboy]

Requiring biological sex on ATF Forms (kick rocks tranny faggots)

1140-AA64: Selecting Biological Sex on ATF Forms - NPRM

ATF is proposing to amend its regulations to clarify that, in response to questions about sex on ATF forms, individuals should select their biological sex. This refers to the individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female and does not include the concept of gender identity. These are clarifying amendments to align ATF’s regulatory forms with the President’s signed Executive Order 14168, Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government and do not alter any substantive eligibility criteria.

This is funny and all, but how exactly does it defend women? I feel like making troons seethe while filling out forms related to firearms will just make them want to be even more violent.

 

[Bogliacci]

finally no more seeing retarded "is u non binary" shit on my forms, reddit was complaining about that rule and I suggest anyone with a problem with it suck a maverick 88 off

 

[WhatInTheActualFuck]

1140-AA64: Selecting Biological Sex on ATF Forms - NPRM

ATF is proposing to amend its regulations to clarify that, in response to questions about sex on ATF forms, individuals should select their biological sex. This refers to the individual’s immutable biological classification as either male or female and does not include the concept of gender identity. These are clarifying amendments to align ATF’s regulatory forms with the President’s signed Executive Order 14168, Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government and do not alter any substantive eligibility criteria.

This is funny and all, but how exactly does it defend women? I feel like making troons seethe while filling out forms related to firearms will just make them want to be even more violent.

I think the strategy is to make them direct that violence inward.

...alternately, we're done letting people blatantly lie on federal fucking forms.

(Insert clip of Paul Harrell 'You be the judge' here)

 

[Agares]

So do we know specifically which countries we'll be able to get surplus, new guns and ammo from?

 

[3-2-1836]

So do we know specifically which countries we'll be able to get surplus, new guns and ammo from?

A loooooooooooooot of ammo laundering through Kazakhstan just watch.

 

[Anakin Soywalker]

So do we know specifically which countries we'll be able to get surplus, new guns and ammo from?

Does this mean the 7.62x39 drought is finally over?

 

[DocAwe]

So do we know specifically which countries we'll be able to get surplus, new guns and ammo from?

Look like nothing DIRECTLY from Russia.