Sopranos is still the best TV show ever: Appreciation Thread - or maybe the wire

Based on what Tony said about his dad, his flashbacks, and the movie, I'd say Johnny Boy wasn't a good father at all. And considering that he was in prison at least once, and Livia being like she was. he had nothing like an emotional support system beyond Junior and Dickie which isn't all that much either.
Johnny being a bad dad is quite an understatement, one of Tony's few good traits is that he raised his children to have the possibility of a future, though his environment doomed at least one of them.
Tony mentioned at least once that belt beatings were a common thing and Johnny made Tony lie to Livia about where they were when she had her miscarriage. He was definitely a bad father and Tony's descent into nihilism happened in part due to realizing all the things he believed in and looked up were either completely over and dead or farcical to begin with - his image of father as a model man easily slotting into both.

Anyways, there's something much more important to talk about. Why are their so many instances of jews fucking niggers in this show? Specifically Jewish men and Black women:

- Noah Tenenbaum's dad is Jewish, his mom is black
- Hesh's girlfriend is a black woman
- The orthodox Jewish motel owner gets his dick sucked by a black hooker. She "makes that beanie spin"

It's such a specific combination too that its hard to not notice. The only BMWF combination is Noah and Meadow, but even then, he's half jew, and Tony's disapproval is vindicated by the end.

What did they mean by this? Were the writers symbolically saying that jews were fucking over blacks? It is supported by the Mad Genius episode.
I'd chalk it to the writer's fetish. But it was honest enough to have Jews be criminals that figuratively fuck over the black populace.
 
Johnny being a bad dad is quite an understatement, one of Tony's few good traits is that he raised his children to have the possibility of a future, though his environment doomed at least one of them.
Yeah, he was terrible, and I think Tony's relatively good fathering despite his upbringing and circumstances were one of his most admirable traits

I'd chalk it to the writer's fetish. But it was honest enough to have Jews be criminals that figuratively fuck over the black populace.
Sopranos is surprisingly based for an early 2000's HBO show. Not saying its a secretly anti-jew and pro-white masterpiece, but it doesn't fall into the trap of making all non-whites saints or trying to make a point that it was actually a white man responsible for crime. In fact, it seems to do the opposite, like when Tony tries to justify organized crime by referencing the alleged mistreatment of Italian immigrants. It also lampshades race-grifting a lot, like the Columbus episode (which is unsurprisingly one of the lowest-rated episodes in modern retrospective reviews).

There's even that bit where the Cuban horse guy is talking about how evil white people genocide his people and Hesh nods along until the Cuban compares it to the Holocaust, then Hesh goes on about how the Jews had it worse. Very funny in retrospect.
 
Sopranos is surprisingly based for an early 2000's HBO show.
Oz and The Wire are probably the two most racist (mainstream) shows ever made. Not really a surprise that The Sopranos had tons of racism or characters ripping on faggots openly. The next generation of shows after like Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, or Boardwalk Empire dialed down everything considerably. I remember struggling to finish Son of Anarchy when the last two seasons had gay acceptance and race mixing acceptance storylines taking time away from outlaw motorcycle club plots.
Not saying its a secretly anti-jew and pro-white masterpiece
The last season of Sopranos is. The FBI are actively helping out the White criminals to take down arabs. One of the agents basically admits that criminals like Tony are tolerable because they just sell vices to people. And that the terrorists and foreigners are dangerous enough that teaming up with the mafia is a preferable tactic than taking them down through normal means.
 
Oz and The Wire are probably the two most racist (mainstream) shows ever made. Not really a surprise that The Sopranos had tons of racism or characters ripping on faggots openly. The next generation of shows after like Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad, or Boardwalk Empire dialed down everything considerably. I remember struggling to finish Son of Anarchy when the last two seasons had gay acceptance and race mixing acceptance storylines taking time away from outlaw motorcycle club plots.
I guess that was the last time you could be edgy in show business without having to kowtow to faggots or niggers, though the 90's was replete with pro-fag films like Philadelphia or The Birdcage and "anti-racist" films like A Time to Kill or American History X, which people tend to forget. But I never forget.


The last season of Sopranos is. The FBI are actively helping out the White criminals to take down arabs. One of the agents basically admits that criminals like Tony are tolerable because they just sell vices to people. And that the terrorists and foreigners are dangerous enough that teaming up with the mafia is a preferable tactic than taking them down through normal means.
Yeah, and there's the repeated theme of demographic replacement, but its never presented positively. Freelandheisen avenue was once a part of a nice neighborhood, now its full of dirty niggers and crackwhores. The old neighborhood with the property Tony sells to Jamba Juice was once Italian, now its rundown and filled with Puerto Ricans playing loud music. And then there's the bit during the last episode where Little Italy is shown to be almost gone in New York, replaced by the Chinese which Butch accidently walks into.

There's also a pervasive theme of white people losing ethnic identity and being consumed by corporate globalist Americanist sludge, with the death of the Mafia being connected to the death of the Italian-American identity. I think the Sopranos was ahead of the curb, frankly, as the culture of its time primarily pushed civic nationalism and whatnot, but now many white people are feelings the atomization and dehumanization caused by becoming disconnected from your roots, becoming merely another "human being". But that line of thinking is entirely predicated on whether you believe Italians are white.

The fuck were we talking about again?
 
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Johnny being a bad dad is quite an understatement, one of Tony's few good traits is that he raised his children to have the possibility of a future, though his environment doomed at least one of them.
From what we know, Tony possibly could have done something else but was pretty much given no choice but to be in the mafia. Even if he had what it took to make Varsity, he probably would have been forced to stay home and learn the trade off his old man.

Tony on the other hand made sure his kids didn't even know about it, and unfortunately refused to address it when they did find out, which caused AJ to assume he was supposed to enter the family business when that was the last thing Tony wanted, but never actually told his son. Meadow didn't have that problem because she knew it's a men only thing.
 
There's even that bit where the Cuban horse guy is talking about how evil white people genocide his people and Hesh nods along until the Cuban compares it to the Holocaust, then Hesh goes on about how the Jews had it worse. Very funny in retrospect.
Even funnier when you remember that behind his jolly old demeanor, he's a loan shark and a record label owner

It's like all jew stereotypes rolled into one. He's a slimy cunt, but the show makes it so that all reprobate douchebags are pretty likeable
 
The last season of Sopranos is. The FBI are actively helping out the White criminals to take down arabs. One of the agents basically admits that criminals like Tony are tolerable because they just sell vices to people. And that the terrorists and foreigners are dangerous enough that teaming up with the mafia is a preferable tactic than taking them down through normal means.
Tbf, it's a more pragmatic solution to the very real danger of terrorists/dirty bombs being smuggled into the USA that criminals would always figure out few steps before the feds, and while ordinary vices can at best be temporary reduced, the damage from terrorism is preventable. It's an interesting scene because it reminds the viewers the government has a lot more shit to deal with besides a glorified crew.
From what we know, Tony possibly could have done something else but was pretty much given no choice but to be in the mafia. Even if he had what it took to make Varsity, he probably would have been forced to stay home and learn the trade off his old man.

Tony on the other hand made sure his kids didn't even know about it, and unfortunately refused to address it when they did find out, which caused AJ to assume he was supposed to enter the family business when that was the last thing Tony wanted, but never actually told his son. Meadow didn't have that problem because she knew it's a men only thing.
A.J. got the triple whammy of being related to organized crime, living during the end of the century, and getting fully poisonpilled by Livia. Boy had no chance. Tony might have salvaged him by putting less emotional distance between them, but you can argue that his own bitter experience with his dad, and jealousy of AJ's carefree life creates a massive gulf.
 
The last season of Sopranos is. The FBI are actively helping out the White criminals to take down arabs. One of the agents basically admits that criminals like Tony are tolerable because they just sell vices to people. And that the terrorists and foreigners are dangerous enough that teaming up with the mafia is a preferable tactic than taking them down through normal means.
Agent Harris asks Tony for info on anything terrorism related because his bosses are breathing down his neck to Make Terrorism Cases NOWNOWNOW, and Tony remembers those two Arabs that partied with Christofuh and did some business with him, so he tells Harris he's a patriotic Murican and would be happy to help. Which is true, but in Tony's head he's more interested in the FBI owing him a favor. So he gives Harris the deets on the two Arabs and the bank they use, and it pays off when Harris tips him that Phil Leotardo is gonna try to whack him, and again when he tells Tony the location of the pay phone Leotardo is using while hiding out from Tony's crew. Harris also likes Tony personally, and prefers him controlling the north Jersey rackets to Leotardo because Tony is less violent
 
Which is true, but in Tony's head he's more interested in the FBI owing him a favor
Probably, but you also have to remember in season 5 up at the farm with Tony B how upset he got at the thought of terrorists smuggling a nuke into a US port and blowing it up. For all his shit he gave the FBI and whitebread Americans he was still pretty patriotic when it came to foreign matters like WW2 or stopping the terrorists.

Tony was definitely meant to be the kind of guy to fly both the Italian and American flags up high right next to each other on Independence day.
 
From what we know, Tony possibly could have done something else but was pretty much given no choice but to be in the mafia. Even if he had what it took to make Varsity, he probably would have been forced to stay home and learn the trade off his old man.
Tony's father pulls him out of college to murder a bookie and bury him in a concrete basement.
Meadow didn't have that problem because she knew it's a men only thing.
Meadow marries a mob lawyer whose father is in the mafia. AJ is working for a mobster making B-movies. And if you believe that Tony dies in the final scene then both kids witness their father get violently shot to death. They would likely react by distancing themselves from the mafia. You see AJ vomit when he tries to avenge Tony's shooting from Uncle Junior. He doesn't have the taste for vengeance and killing someone.
 
I'm rewatching, at the Employee of the Month episode

Kinda fucked that Jesus Rossi guy just got away with raping Melfi with no consequences at all
 
Tony mentioned at least once that belt beatings were a common thing and Johnny made Tony lie to Livia about where they were when she had her miscarriage. He was definitely a bad father and Tony's descent into nihilism happened in part due to realizing all the things he believed in and looked up were either completely over and dead or farcical to begin with - his image of father as a model man easily slotting into both.

Anyways, there's something much more important to talk about. Why are their so many instances of jews fucking niggers in this show? Specifically Jewish men and Black women:

- Noah Tenenbaum's dad is Jewish, his mom is black
- Hesh's girlfriend is a black woman
- The orthodox Jewish motel owner gets his dick sucked by a black hooker. She "makes that beanie spin"

It's such a specific combination too that its hard to not notice. The only BMWF combination is Noah and Meadow, but even then, he's half jew, and Tony's disapproval is vindicated by the end.

What did they mean by this? Were the writers symbolically saying that jews were fucking over blacks? It is supported by the Mad Genius episode.
… yeah it’s an old stereotype that I guess died out, but Jewish men being into black women (because they don’t nag) and black women being into Jewish men (they’re not niggers) has a long history in Hollywood post-segregation.
 
I'm rewatching, at the Employee of the Month episode

Kinda fucked that Jesus Rossi guy just got away with raping Melfi with no consequences at all
I do think it was a missed opportunity not having Melfi sic Tony on the guy, which is what we all assumed was going to happen, but subverting expectations and all that. I guess it makes sense, as a character she doesn't want to sink to Tony's level and be part of his world, which telling him about her rape absolutely would have done. She would have gotten her revenge, but would have crossed a moral line she could never undo.

Still, the level of incompetence the police showed where every shred of evidence had to be thrown out so he could get away was so Hollywood it was almost funny.
 
I do think it was a missed opportunity not having Melfi sic Tony on the guy, which is what we all assumed was going to happen, but subverting expectations and all that. I guess it makes sense, as a character she doesn't want to sink to Tony's level and be part of his world, which telling him about her rape absolutely would have done. She would have gotten her revenge, but would have crossed a moral line she could never undo.

Still, the level of incompetence the police showed where every shred of evidence had to be thrown out so he could get away was so Hollywood it was almost funny.
Look at all the LAPD's fuckups in the OJ Simpson case. The guy was so clearly guilty that they lost sight of the details of a proper investigation, leading to the prosecution being unable to get a guilty verdict. They likely wouldn't have a gotten a conviction even if they hadn't fucked up things like the glove stunt because of the doubt raised by any of a hundred things in how the police gathered, handled and processed the evidence.
 
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Look at all the LAPD's fuckuos in the OJ Simpson case. The guy was so clearly guilty that the lost sight of the details of a proper investigation, leading to the prosecution being unable to get a guilty verdict. They likely wouldn't have a gotten a conviction even if they hadn't fucked up things like the glove stunt because of the doubt raised by any of a hundred things in how the police gathered, handled and processed the evidence.
helps oj was a million and could hire jew lawyers
 
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