DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Karen Riley]

Even for Phil I'm in awe at the sheer greed on display in this situation with the Mario game. The whole point of Patreon's choice was that he would be able to get money that would allow him to do things that might not be popular and earn him much Youtube income. That on rare occasions he would be able to play what the people who are loyal enough to throw money at him want, instead of games that are all catered to a general audience.

Now he's declared that Patrons can vote for games that aren't Japanese style longer playthroughs, games made by certain developers (Atlus) and even games produced by Nintendo. To make it even worse, those who are willing to pay him money that want to see certain games, also get told off and treated like they've done something wrong in a scolding Twitlonger.

It's clear that DSP is motivated by money alone to anybody with half a brain. That's why it shocks me to see 'been a fan for six years dude. That sounds very cool, see you in the stream later on. Very cool,' style replies to most of the tweets he makes. He's extremely lucky he's managed to con some less intelligent people into believing he's their friend

 

[JamFlowMan]

This Patreon bullshit is actually a bit comforting. There were a few days during the Sok implosion Dsp was making a bit too much sense like we entered some bizarro world. Phil screwing over his patrons while he missed the goal last month and is even farther away this month has brought us back to reality. It is classic asshole, thanks for the money dummies Phil.

 

[BatChatillon]

It is not the first time Phil rigged a Patreon's poll in his favor but the explanations he comes up with are mind-blowing. For as I know he put Sunshine on the list and he knew that game would be played between Mario x Rabbids and Mario Odyssey. Yet he didn't think about that this could lead to his viewers being over-saturated with Mario, but more important to him (because fuck his fans) he plays three Nintendo games in a row which he can't monetize properly for that sweet extra viewz-muns.

You don't have to be a detractor to point out that it's bullshit. Patreon was meant to him getting paid for playing games he never would touch, not to cram in some popular games in the downtime or playing popular games he already should have played long ago. He played Jak & Daxter back then as down-time, off-season game, and now Jak 3 is behind a paywall (adding insult to injury, the Trilogy has been donated by a fan and he didn't touch that game in 4 years). On top of that, if a game wins and gets low views in stream and poor numbers on youtube it will still get the boot. His fans should have realized that by now, but as we have plenty examples of those and a Pedoviking on the farms, they still think things will turn out great for them if they just give Phil the money.

A brilliant idea of Phil to put so many games on the list, yet none of them is a niche game or outside of his comfort zone. People just pay him on Patreon for games he would have played for free years ago. That's the only change. He has been playing all Ratchet & Clank games so far since All4One and QForce, but the one game that's actually good and a fan favourite (A Crack In Time) he has left untouched. By now Phil should know that he gets some extra views when he is about to ruin someone's childhood memories. With the exception of Manhunt most of the Patron's Choice games are considered kids games, so you know what kind of audience he expects.

One good thing is that Phil points out in his bullshit explanation is that he got called out for dropping Danganronpa 2, which means he feels the heat he deserved for that move.

 

[EddyB43]

Now he's declared that Patrons can vote for games that aren't Japanese style longer playthroughs, games made by certain developers (Atlus) and even games produced by Nintendo.

DSP clearly fucked up here by not including a proviso like 'No games that I can't monetize on YouTube', e.g. Nintendo with their mass ContentIDs and interestingly now these 'not suitable for all advertisers' games e.g. gory stuff like Outlast & Evil Within. This may mean Manhunt, the game DSP seems to want to play instead of Super Mario Sunshine, might be just as fucked and get all 'demonetized' thanks to the gory violent content.

 

[Dewey Manlove]

DSP clearly fucked up here by not including a proviso like 'No games that I can't monetize on YouTube', e.g. Nintendo with their mass ContentIDs and interestingly now these 'not suitable for all advertisers' games e.g. gory stuff like Outlast & Evil Within. This may mean Manhunt, the game DSP seems to want to play instead of Super Mario Sunshine, might be just as fucked and get all 'demonetized' thanks to the gory violent content.

Soon he'll only allow the nomination of upcoming new games that he plans to play anyway. He might as well add a disclaimer to his monthly goal while he's at it: "Goal is not binding and is subject to change/cancellation anytime at the whim of the Patreon owner."

 

[ProdigalDuke]

Soon he'll only allow the nomination of upcoming new games that he plans to play anyway. He might as well add a disclaimer to his monthly goal while he's at it: "Goal is not binding and is subject to change/cancellation anytime at the whim of the Patreon owner."

And only if someone donates the poll winning game for him to actually play.

 

[Christopher Alyre Fleming]

@EddyB43 does such a great job providing stats & such but it always leaves you with more questions than answers. Namely, how HOW does he make as much revenue on YT as he claims? You can look at the numbers several different ways & it just doesn't add up.

 

[Um Oh Ah Yeah]

@EddyB43 does such a great job providing stats & such but it always leaves you with more questions than answers. Namely, how HOW does he make as much revenue on YT as he claims? You can look at the numbers several different ways & it just doesn't add up.

He doesn't. He's lying.

 

[DarkSydePundit]

I don't get it.

Doing YouTube in 2017 is useless and not worth the effort if you at least edit the videos, use music and want to earn money with it.

They claim everything now. No swears, no nudity, no short videos, no racism, no copyrighted material - even parodies are not safe from shady companies trying to profit off of them.

It doesn't matter if he plays Super Mario Sunshine or not. Someone else will claim the videos or they won't get monitized from the beginning until they've hit 1000 views in a week and considering Phils 'Engagement' - yeah good luck with that.

 

[RIP_SANITY]

 

[BatChatillon]

Those publishers he has been shitting on for years no should step up for him, right. He has been leeching off their work, no matter how good or bad it was, slapped boring and unbearable commentary over it and called it transformative art. Worse he damaged their brands by doing a bad job on playing and reviewing these games. It's like a tapeworm demanding extra care from his host body.

 

[tomstone]

He doesn't. He's lying.

why would he lie about making more than he actually does? that would be counterproductive for his begging/scamming. phil is stupid, but not when it comes to scamming his "fans". that`s why i always said that phil makes between 7000-8000$ monthly and i still believe it.

........ like a tapeworm demanding extra care from his host body.

thats a pretty accurate description for phil.

 

[Christopher Alyre Fleming]

i always said that phil makes between 7000-8000$ monthly and i still believe it.

I'm willing to go along with you on this but how!? You gotta explain where all that money is coming from. We know his Patreon & Twitch income. People have been calculating his PayPal tips & we all know what's been going on with YT. How can he making as much as you say?

 

[JackDavis]

I'm willing to go along with you on this but how!? You gotta explain where all that money is coming from. We know his Patreon & Twitch income. People have been calculating his PayPal tips & we all know what's been going on with YT. How can he making as much as you say?

People added up his TwitchTV money (Subs, bits and donations) and for August it was $4000+.
He said this was the first time TwitchTV has earned more than YouTube for him, so we can guess YouTube is $2000-$3000.
Then add $1000 for Patreon.
Add that all up and you get $7000-$8000 a month, AKA he makes more money than the person giving him free money because he cries poor every day.

 

[Dewey Manlove]

He has been leeching off their work, no matter how good or bad it was, slapped boring and unbearable commentary over it and called it transformative art. Worse he damaged their brands by doing a bad job on playing and reviewing these games. It's like a tapeworm demandi

Phil has ranted many times that what he does is protected as fair use as if this was obvious and indisputable. What Phil has never understood is that commentary over unedited gameplay has not been tested in the courts as to whether it is transformative enough to be considered fair use. That is why Nintendo (and others) can claim your revenue and leave you with very little recourse. There's nothing stopping other game publishers from following Nintendo's lead and there is absolutely nothing Phil or anyone else could do unless they want to pay for a long, expensive federal lawsuit that many legal experts think the publishers/developers would win.

Phil screaming "fair use" doesn't make it so, anymore than people who upload TV shows and movies with "for education purposes only" or the fair use clause of 17 U.S.C. §§ 101-810 in the description are safe from copyright strikes.

 

[Christopher Alyre Fleming]

@JackDavis Wow. That's just...I don't even know how to feel about that. Good for him I guess. So that must mean he has more sugar daddies than just Vidar? Meaning multiple people giving him over $100 per month?

 

[JackDavis]

@JackDavis Wow. That's just...I don't even know how to feel about that. Good for him I guess. So that must mean he has more sugar daddies than just Vidar? Meaning multiple people giving him over $100 per month?

Everytime I turn on the stream, which isn't more than a cumulative 1 hour a week, somebody named MissMoneek is always giving him money too. He has many paypigs.

 

[BatChatillon]

Everytime I turn on the stream, which isn't more than a cumulative 1 hour a week, somebody named MissMoneek is always giving him money too. He has many paypigs.

Same goes for Goldencloaks / Goldencucks . Seems like Vidar made some fake accounts to donate to Phil just to not look like his #1 paypig anymore. But I doubt that, he enjoys being in the spotlight.

 

[James Smith]

Explain it to me further cause I'm still not getting it. If socialblade shows him getting 2 million views on dspgaming in a month & his cpm is $1.25 your saying that his income is 2,000,000 ÷ 1,000 × 1.25? Otherwise, I don't understand where you're getting the $2,500 from.

Hmm. I'm not sure how to answer your questions here. All I was saying was that when someone tells you their CPM it's after all of the factors you mentioned are already taken into account (involuntary de-monetization of videos, viewers who were using an ad blocker, viewers on mobile or other non-ad-supporting platforms) so you don't need to subtract anything. It's just flat out "Here's the total dollars you've made, here's the total views you had (including the ones that didn't generate any ad revenue." CPM isn't calculated by only including views that got ad revenue.

Since Super Mario Sunshine was only on GameCube, there are four ways to play it:

Hold up, didn't Sunshine require analog triggers too? If so yet another reason why he can't (at least comfortably) play it.

 

[neger psykolog]

Phil has ranted many times that what he does is protected as fair use as if this was obvious and indisputable. What Phil has never understood is that commentary over unedited gameplay has not been tested in the courts as to whether it is transformative enough to be considered fair use. That is why Nintendo (and others) can claim your revenue and leave you with very little recourse. There's nothing stopping other game publishers from following Nintendo's lead and there is absolutely nothing Phil or anyone else could do unless they want to pay for a long, expensive federal lawsuit that many legal experts think the publishers/developers would win.

Phil screaming "fair use" doesn't make it so, anymore than people who upload TV shows and movies with "for education purposes only" or the fair use clause of 17 U.S.C. §§ 101-810 in the description are safe from copyright strikes.

As much as it pains me to say it, this is one point I kinda sorta agree with Phil on. I don't argue that it has been tested in court, because it hasn't. But what kind of video game publisher, making billions of dollars a year gives two shits what people end up doing with their games. As long as they aren't reselling it, why do they even care?

I'd be curious to know what Nintendo actually makes from this attitude (which is in their right until it gets proven otherwise in court). I can't see it being higher than 5-10 million dollars a year.

It's a wonder letsplayers and YouTubers are so fucking disorganized and petty that they haven't managed to actually get this into court yet.