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tomstone said:
why would he lie about making more than he actually does? that would be counterproductive for his begging/scamming. phil is stupid, but not when it comes to scamming his "fans". that`s why i always said that phil makes between 7000-8000$ monthly and i still believe it.
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Because the only thing more important than scamming his fans is stroking his own ego. Phil doesn't bother keeping his stories straight because he thinks he doesn't have to.
 
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neger psykolog said:
But what kind of video game publisher, making billions of dollars a year gives two shits what people end up doing with their games. As long as they aren't reselling it, why do they even care?
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Years ago you could argue "what sort of publisher would include locked content on the disc that they will later sell as DLC" or actually sell loot boxes? Just sayin'

I am honestly surprised that developers of "walking simulators" and interactive novels don't claim the revenue from unedited "gameplay." Telltale must lose a ton of sales when you can save $25 and get essentially the same experience on YouTube (including good choices, bad choices, all endings, etc).

At any rate to stay on topic I will say that Phil is very fat, dull and gouty, and he doesn't understand fair use or the fact that game publishers are as greedy as he is.
 
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Um Oh Ah Yeah said:
Because the only thing more important than scamming his fans is stroking his own ego. Phil doesn't bother keeping his stories straight because he thinks he doesn't have to.
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That's what causes a lot of the hostility towards Phil---he has to boost his own ego by saying how great his product is and how much he's making, and at the same time beg for money to keep living his lifestyle. A lot of the contradictory comments he makes come down to that.
 
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JackDavis said:
People added up his TwitchTV money (Subs, bits and donations) and for August it was $4000+.
He said this was the first time TwitchTV has earned more than YouTube for him, so we can guess YouTube is $2000-$3000.
Then add $1000 for Patreon.
Add that all up and you get $7000-$8000 a month, AKA he makes more money than the person giving him free money because he cries poor every day.
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Even if he makes upwards of $5000 a month, how much of that income is set aside for savings? How much of it does he put away to pay for a vacation or to pay OFF debts(non-bills)? How much does he put away for medical emergencies? Phil might appear to be banking income, but in 10 years when he's in his mid-40s, when the rest of us are in our late 20s or 30s we'll probably have more in savings, IRAs, Roth funds, or 401k than Phil has. He spends for the moment. He doesn't see the long path, just the short corner.
 
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Christopher Alyre Fleming said:
@EddyB43 does such a great job providing stats & such but it always leaves you with more questions than answers. Namely, how HOW does he make as much revenue on YT as he claims? You can look at the numbers several different ways & it just doesn't add up.
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This is why for YouTube I always talked about views & ignore the SocialBlade money sections - guesstimates based on average CPMs & averaged monetized view rates etc. Before his recent 'Twitch paid me more than YT in August but not July' statement I figured DSP was getting less than $2K/month from DSPGaming ad revenue.

Although there was another comment on July 8th when DSP said Twitch income that day had been enough to count for his Twitch & YT income (so not Patreon, Teespring etc.) and I'd counted $200-225 in cheers, subs & tips. That's $6K-6.75K per month, and I'd have guesstimated ~$100/day Twitch average based on my previous $1700-2500 cheers & subs income & guessing a few hundred extra dollars in tips to hit ~$3K/month, which also seems high.
Christopher Alyre Fleming said:
I'm willing to go along with you on this but how!? You gotta explain where all that money is coming from. We know his Patreon & Twitch income. People have been calculating his PayPal tips & we all know what's been going on with YT. How can he making as much as you say?
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Other income sources are Patreon (DSP claims he gets $1250 despite hitting a $1025 or $1125 goal, I'm questionable on that - I honestly think he's just making the goal seem feasible to hit and I doubt Patreon has complex algorithms calculating declined pledges from several months of data to cause the error he complains about), Teespring (a pittance, DSP even admits almost no sales since it's been like a month plus since 'Kowai Phil' & 'I Hate Skeletons' designs went up), LootCrate (even though he lost his free LootCrate deliveries last I checked his 10% off code seems functional & he keeps linking it in descriptions) and a tiny one from Twitch ad revenue.

Expenses, oh boy, this is just scratching the surface. $1,500 EACH monthly for the condo lease and the 'house' mortgage, maybe $300/month for the new car, he claims $400+ for dual business Comcast internet (the cheapest 20Mbit upstream business Comcast connection was indeed $199.95/month, add tax or whatever & 2 will break $400). Then there's stuff we can't easily calculate like health insurance, his quarterly up front guesstimated taxes, his credit card debts and he claimed I think in the 'State of DSP' video (after the Scarface cheating impromptu Q&A) last year to have taken out TWO business loans, the second in late 2015 after the strikes.

Put simply, he might need well over $5K monthly to just tread water. This is the real reason he can't get a job to replace YT & Twitch - he'd need $5K/monthly salary instantly, ideally a lot more. $7-8K/monthly expenses aren't unfeasible, depends how badly DSP is in a financial hole at this point.

Also remember DSP's long term plan was to hope for 2 more years of the 'house' value increasing so he can remortgage it to pay off the other debts. It was either Hate Live or Ask the King recently where he stated from a chat question that the 'house' value had NOT gone up this year, so he's stretching this to another 3 years. He may well be fucked if the 'house' value remains stagnant or even falls.
Prince_of_Rewards said:
Even if he makes upwards of $5000 a month, how much of that income is set aside for savings? How much of it does he put away to pay for a vacation or to pay OFF debts(non-bills)? How much does he put away for medical emergencies? Phil might appear to be banking income, but in 10 years when he's in his mid-40s, when the rest of us are in our late 20s or 30s we'll probably have more in savings, IRAs, Roth funds, or 401k than Phil has. He spends for the moment. He doesn't see the long path, just the short corner.
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DSP has laughed at the concept of being able to save money, so he's either lying & is saving money, or he's living paycheck to paycheck, hand to mouth.
 
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The worst part is it could go either way. You can't trust a thing he says however he does strike me as a person who spends as fast as he earns. Like others, I do believe he's almost drowning in debt from really bad spending habits when he was making huge bank.
 
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Prince_of_Rewards said:
Even if he makes upwards of $5000 a month, how much of that income is set aside for savings? How much of it does he put away to pay for a vacation or to pay OFF debts(non-bills)? How much does he put away for medical emergencies? Phil might appear to be banking income, but in 10 years when he's in his mid-40s, when the rest of us are in our late 20s or 30s we'll probably have more in savings, IRAs, Roth funds, or 401k than Phil has. He spends for the moment. He doesn't see the long path, just the short corner.
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Well if you believe him when he says both condos cost around the same per month that is $1,500 each, so $3,000 is gone already. Then between the new car payment, utilities, credit card debt, new games, food, etc he could be getting pretty close to paying out $5,000 a month. Someone mentioned he made $7,000 but he only made that $4,000 on Twitch the past two months and Patreon did not meet the goal one of those months. If Youtube and Patreon keep dropping and Twitch plateaus $5,000 could become a good month for him again in the near future.
 
Audio Sonic Feeling said:
According to a shitty Social Blade knockoff site. Across all his channels, Phil had uploaded 11,203 hours of footage to Youtube.
I don't even have a joke, that's actually just astounding that anyone is that dedicated to produce 11,203 hours worth of footage in 10 minute chunks.
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Shows how easy his job is and what a crock of shit it is when he says he's creating "art". How cruel is the world where there's 11,203 hours of Phil videos and 62 hours of Breaking Bad?
 
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neger psykolog said:
As much as it pains me to say it, this is one point I kinda sorta agree with Phil on. I don't argue that it has been tested in court, because it hasn't. But what kind of video game publisher, making billions of dollars a year gives two shits what people end up doing with their games. As long as they aren't reselling it, why do they even care?

I'd be curious to know what Nintendo actually makes from this attitude (which is in their right until it gets proven otherwise in court). I can't see it being higher than 5-10 million dollars a year.

It's a wonder letsplayers and YouTubers are so fucking disorganized and petty that they haven't managed to actually get this into court yet.
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I think it matters,in fact,some games are negativly affected by people streaming them or uploading gameplay to youtube. For example: there is no problem if you stream overwatch,league of legends,hearthstone,etc. because these games can be played in many ways and no match is ever the same,you have about one hundred characters in League and hundreds of cards in heartstone,in fact, I say streaming helps the game because people check stream of pro-players to learn how to play,this causes them to get hyped up and play more. That is the reason League of legends hosts tournaments ,they know it has a positive impact.

Now,in the other hand,you have games where there is only one way to play them. Like The Walking Dead from Tellatalle,do you think that someone who watched a full playthrough is going to buy the game after? No,there is no need,the game is based around the story and once you know it,there is no point in playing it. This is an extreme example but you can use this logic for games that only have one way to be played,in my case,I watched a Game Grumps playthrough of Bloodborne and I feel no need to play the game because I alredy seen it all.

I know this is off topic but it has some relation to Phil complaints.
 
Phil's reaction to the Pewdiepie completely missed the point most relevant to him. He focused on his jealousy of PDP when it should have focused on Campo Santo DMCAing PDP's Firewatch playthrough because they believe they own the rights to the playthrough. If this goes to court and is ruled in favor of Campo Santo then video game playthroughs will go the way of Mystery Science Theatre 3000. DSP and every other low effort lets player will have to go secure the rights to stream a game before streaming on Twitch or uploading to YouTube. This would essentially destroy Phil's low effort khantent style.
 
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JackDavis said:
Phil's reaction to the Pewdiepie completely missed the point most relevant to him. He focused on his jealousy of PDP when it should have focused on Campo Santo DMCAing PDP's Firewatch playthrough because they believe they own the rights to the playthrough. If this goes to court and is ruled in favor of Campo Santo then video game playthroughs will go the way of Mystery Science Theatre 3000. DSP and every other low effort lets player will have to go secure the rights to stream a game before streaming on Twitch or uploading to YouTube. This would essentially destroy Phil's low effort khantent style.
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When have ever Phil's reaction towards the doing of another YT, or anyone else for that matter, been on point and not about himself?
 
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JackDavis said:
Phil's reaction to the Pewdiepie completely missed the point most relevant to him. He focused on his jealousy of PDP when it should have focused on Campo Santo DMCAing PDP's Firewatch playthrough because they believe they own the rights to the playthrough. If this goes to court and is ruled in favor of Campo Santo then video game playthroughs will go the way of Mystery Science Theatre 3000. DSP and every other low effort lets player will have to go secure the rights to stream a game before streaming on Twitch or uploading to YouTube. This would essentially destroy Phil's low effort khantent style.
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From what I understand, even if they took the case to court, it probably would be dismissed on grounds that the publisher specifically gave written permission for anyone who wanted to stream Firewatch. They cannot retroactively withdraw that specific permission; they could only withdraw it for future Let's Plays, and they would have to withdraw it from everyone.

I still have hopes for a Phil lolsuit against Google, it would be hilarious. Probably more hilarious than the Richard Carrier lolsuit against PZ Myers & gang.
 
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for a family of 5 maybe? for 2 people who mostly eat out probably not. They also have no relatives close by so no visitors either. It's just part of his Vanity, he has to have most expensive everything even if he doesn't use it. The guy has a KEurig coffee maker which are very expensive and make nice coffee but he drinks V8 energy drinks every day instead.
 
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