Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[Schwachkopf]

Troll-shielding explains why that's the case even though the Two Minutes Hate here is directed at pedos half the time.

I wasn't implying the entire replies were defending the OP.

 

[Cato]

I wasn't implying the entire replies were defending the OP.

I'm not sure why you thought my post suggested you were.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

More to the point, the problem with the equivalence that you're making is that you imply that restricted access to loli may in some indirect manner cause pedos to escalate their crimes in the sense of "in for a penny in for a pound." I don't think that assault should be legal, just because if people are going to jail for it anyway they'll probably just rationally decide to finsh the deed and kill the fucker

I wish I could answer your whole post but I'm on phone and dozing off.

The thing I see wrong with your interpretation is that assault has a tangible victim. Assault also doesn't have the same punishment as murder, hence - not a good comparison.

If assault carried the same life sentence as murder, you would see a lot more murders IMHO. In that situation if you've already thrown a punch, you might as well keep beating the guy until he dies because there isn't any additional potential punishment coming your way for it.

 

[Transvaalan]

In plain English:
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That resembles the emoticon for flipping tables.

 

[Strange Looking Dog]

On the bright side, it causes pedos to congregate, so you can catch multiple at once!

 

[KM 749]

On the bright side, it causes pedos to congregate, so you can catch multiple at once!

Like a septic filter.

 

[purepowerlevel]

I wish I could answer your whole post but I'm on phone and dozing off.

The thing I see wrong with your interpretation is that assault has a tangible victim. Assault also doesn't have the same punishment as murder, hence - not a good comparison.

If assault carried the same life sentence as murder, you would see a lot more murders IMHO. In that situation if you've already thrown a punch, you might as well keep beating the guy until he dies because there isn't any additional potential punishment coming your way for it.

That's fair, but the optimist in me wants to believe that the fear of retribution isn't the primary factor that restrains MOST assaults from escalating into murder, both literally and metaphorically as in this paradigm.

I also imagine there's a fair amount of middle ground in between "loli is protected free speech and should be allowed to be distributed in any manner that doesn't violate current obscenity laws, also probably something about hebephilia not being pedophilia" and "loli should have the same exact punishment as sexual assault of a minor."

I don't have a good response for the lack of a victim, which is why I don't think it should be a legal matter. It's still indefensible insofar as its net moral weight is concerned, in my opinion.

 

[Flareon]

Jerking to Loli makes you a non-offending (for the time being) pedophile and there's no way around that shit

 

[Strange Looking Dog]

For real though, I think banning it is probably a mistake; it'll just get driven underground should you do that. Better solution is to monitor the people who use it, that way you get an early warning that they are a potential offender.

 

[Boroqcin]

That's fair, but the optimist in me wants to believe that there fear of retribution isn't the primary factor that restrains MOST assaults from escalating into murder, both literally and in this hypothetical.

Well that optimist better not look at Chinese vehicular gore videos. When they run someone down they make damn sure that person is dead.
Paying the fine and jail time is a million times better than destroying your family with insurmountable medical bills that will only go away after that person dies.
It's the clearest example of "in for a penny, in for a pound" mental bargaining.

 

[Sidon's fleshlight]

For real though, I think banning it is probably a mistake; it'll just get driven underground should you do that. Better solution is to monitor the people who use it, that way you get an early warning that they are a potential offender.

Then what's the point in banning real CP? By your logic, it just gets driven to underground websites and not stopped. The point of the law is to punish the ones who offend, not to stop it, though those with legal moralities would be stopped, but only in few numbers.

 

[Male]

My stance on Lolis:
If you ain't got tiddy, fuck off kiddy.

 

[real fake]

Is it illegal for porn actresses to dress up and roleplay as underage school girls and get fucked on camera even though they are legal?
It reminds me of that Glee actress who had a sexually charged photo-shoot and got flack for "borders on pedophilia" because she portrayed a teenage on TV, even though she herself was 25 or something. https://geektyrant.com/news/2010/10...shoot-and-the-controversy-surrounding-it.html
Is it different if I say 'these characters may look underage, but really they are 25'?
Making any art in which someone isn't actually victimised illegal seems like a problem. Are we going to arrest legal age women for roleplaying daddy/little girl? Acting is an artform. The exact same amount of children have been victimised by legal women roleplaying underage as there would be in an drawing.

It's definitely sexually unhealthy though, like a lot of porn. You're naive if you think the type of porn you view won't effect you.

 

[Relentless Dave]

As long as there is no scientific, statistical, accepted proof that consuming art that depicts something makes you do that thing, I'll continue to say that it may be disgusting shit but it should stay legal. Banning it would be stupid as you're blocking the much more harmless alternative to something that is already illegal in the first place.
Basically, don't lay a finger on the kids and that's the end of it.

 

[Strange Looking Dog]

Then what's the point in banning real CP? By your logic, it just gets driven to underground websites and not stopped. The point of the law is to punish the ones who offend, not to stop it, though those with legal moralities would be stopped, but only in few numbers.

I think there is a bit of a distance between the two, being that CP has a direct victim. I'd argue that drawn CP is still morally abhorrent, but legally ambiguous.

My point being; banning drawn CP probably won't prevent any pedos from harming kids. Further more it can be used as a honeypot to draw out potential offenders, before they actually go and commit a serious crime.

 

[Iamthatis]

This thread and some of the comments just blows my mind. Blows my fucking mind.

 

[Manah]

what a hill to die on, op.

 

[Florence]

Has somebody asked @Brandobaris his opinion?

 

[Schwachkopf]

Are we going to arrest legal age women for roleplaying daddy/little girl?

I can't tell really, why not ask the ABDL community? They love roleplaying as a baby.

 

[José Mourinho]

This isn't even the first thread that got into drama about loli and pornography.

Never change, Kiwi Farms.