Law State of Hawaii is investigating EA for "Predatory Business Practices" - I bet EA is really loving Star Wars Battlefront II right now

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As the ancient Hawaiins used to say:
"Get that loot box shit offa my island"
 
I hate everything EA does but this is government posturing by people that need to justify their paychecks. Who cares if morons waste their money on this garbage, EA probably deserves it more than they do for them being so stupid. If someone's kid is buying it then it's a failure of parents.

Stop protecting people from themselves, the country, the WORLD isn't supposed to be one big college campus or kiddie playpen. It's the real world and adults need to face up to the consequences of their own actions instead of being pampered. We're infantalizing the human population.

And you're going to get the law of unintended consequences biting your ass because this is going to hurt great F2P games like TF2 and Dota and LoL, and others. What's that, you say, they're cosmetics only? Do you really think government employees and lawyers will understand the difference, or even care if they do, since it's still operating a little like gambling? Great job, your sour grapes over a shitty company and wanting to stick it "to the man" shot you in the balls.

Edit: Furthermore I think they tried this shit with Magic: The Gathering and/or pokemon cards? I know there was a suit but I cannot find what the outcome was. In any effect nothing changed in that camp from what I know.
 
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I hate everything EA does but this is government posturing by people that need to justify their paychecks. Who cares if morons waste their money on this garbage, EA probably deserves it more than they do for them being so stupid. If someone's kid is buying it then it's a failure of parents.

Stop protecting people from themselves, the country, the WORLD isn't supposed to be one big college campus or kiddie playpen. It's the real world and adults need to face up to the consequences of their own actions instead of being pampered. We're infantalizing the human population.

And you're going to get the law of unintended consequences biting your ass because this is going to hurt great F2P games like TF2 and Dota and LoL, and others. What's that, you say, they're cosmetics only? Do you really think government employees and lawyers will understand the difference, or even care if they do, since it's still operating a little like gambling? Great job, your sour grapes over a shitty company and wanting to stick it "to the man" shot you in the balls.

Edit: Furthermore I think they tried this shit with Magic: The Gathering and/or pokemon cards? I know there was a suit but I cannot find what the outcome was. In any effect nothing changed in that camp from what I know.
trading cards have preset weighted distributions to make sure you always get something *okay* and the large booster packs are guaranteed to have a certain number of good cards put into it, you can also TRADE them so that even if you don't get your 1 in 1000 jackpot card if you get one of the same quality or rarity you can swap it for the one you do want. iirc they also are legally required to have the chance odds publicly available, so you at the very least know that the thing you want is a 1 in 1000 chance
ea pushed it too far and as usual is ruining things for everyone else by having game mechanics and player upgrades locked behind random chance crates that don't have the odds visible, you cannot (from what i know) trade them for the upgrades/mechanics you do want, and aren't weighted to guarantee you fuck all that you want

i don't doubt this will fuck over a lot of products with crates in them but some of them have had it coming for a long time with how little transparency they have with your actual chances and how little freedom some of them give you to remove some of the randomness
 
I hate everything EA does but this is government posturing by people that need to justify their paychecks. Who cares if morons waste their money on this garbage, EA probably deserves it more than they do for them being so stupid. If someone's kid is buying it then it's a failure of parents.

Stop protecting people from themselves, the country, the WORLD isn't supposed to be one big college campus or kiddie playpen. It's the real world and adults need to face up to the consequences of their own actions instead of being pampered. We're infantalizing the human population.

And you're going to get the law of unintended consequences biting your ass because this is going to hurt great F2P games like TF2 and Dota and LoL, and others. What's that, you say, they're cosmetics only? Do you really think government employees and lawyers will understand the difference, or even care if they do, since it's still operating a little like gambling? Great job, your sour grapes over a shitty company and wanting to stick it "to the man" shot you in the balls.

Edit: Furthermore I think they tried this shit with Magic: The Gathering and/or pokemon cards? I know there was a suit but I cannot find what the outcome was. In any effect nothing changed in that camp from what I know.

Letting people get burned by the hot pan is a great philosophy, until you let it go too far and destroy society.
Think of it as a drug addiction. Yeah, letting morons kill themselves over drug abuse sounds like a good idea, sounds like natural selection taking it's paces. But then if you let people abuse drugs as they please you'll probably turn your country into Rapture.
Manipulation and abuse is an issue, these people are manipulating consumers into spending all their money on a valueless enterprise. You can let morons gamble away everything they own and watch them suffer for their stupidity, but it stops being fun once you realize you've harbored an entire generation of desperate people who have no talent and will probably resort to petty criminal acts in order to get their next emotional high. Yeah, this is a logical extreme, but it's still a possible outcome to this kind of behavior and it's up to powers that be to prevent it from happening. It's disruptive to society and to the market. Unfortunately, consumers really do have to be protected from their own stupidity. Society is a screeching autistic child that sometimes needs to be wrapped in pads to prevent it from hitting itself in the head. That's why we have the FDA and FCC, among other entities, to prevent corporations from, I dunno, putting asbestos into foods as an artificial filler. Because you know they'll do stupid shit like that if they were allowed to.
It's a delicate balance and requires a lot of forethought (a lot more forethought than the government puts into things, but still), running society is a lot like a game of Jenga.
 
Letting people get burned by the hot pan is a great philosophy, until you let it go too far and destroy society.
Think of it as a drug addiction. Yeah, letting morons kill themselves over drug abuse sounds like a good idea, sounds like natural selection taking it's paces. But then if you let people abuse drugs as they please you'll probably turn your country into Rapture.

People already pretty much abuse drugs as they please. Drug control doesn't work for the same reason gun control isn't gonna work.


Manipulation and abuse is an issue, these people are manipulating consumers into spending all their money on a valueless enterprise.

Unless they are misleading (either outright or through innuendo) they aren't really manipulating, though, are they? They're just offering a stupid product to weak-willed people.

You can let morons gamble away everything they own and watch them suffer for their stupidity, but it stops being fun once you realize you've harbored an entire generation of desperate people who have no talent and will probably resort to petty criminal acts in order to get their next emotional high. Yeah, this is a logical extreme, but it's still a possible outcome to this kind of behavior and it's up to powers that be to prevent it from happening.

We already let morons gamble away everything. And I highly doubt video game loot crates are going to be the fall of western society. Hell, I'm saying this nanny, mommy, "feminine instincts" behavior is what is harming society. You're treating people like children, right here--and what we've done is harbor a generation of exactly that through this type of coddling. People need to learn a lesson through the consequences of their actions. If they cannot, then coddling is just going to drain the system on low-class morons. And, now, before you say they'll be a drain on welfare and stuff, I have a simple solution that--don't give them any welfare.



It's disruptive to society and to the market. Unfortunately, consumers really do have to be protected from their own stupidity.

No, they really don't. We really don't need a society that caters to the lowest common denominator. It's what we have now. Some people seem to think the problem is is that we don't have enough babysitting and coddling to make sure things go right. It'll just get worse and worse, you're trying to douse the fire with gasoline.

Society is a screeching autistic child that sometimes needs to be wrapped in pads to prevent it from hitting itself in the head.

And if you don't let kids run around on the playground and skin their knee they'll never learn where the boundaries are. This is why the conservative use the term "nanny state," literally everyone should be treated like a child and have a mommy there to protect them. If someone is really that stupid and unable to learn a lesson then they're a waste of resources anyway.

And if you believe that, then who is going to play Mommy and Daddy to this screeching autist called society? Society itself, or do you have someone outside the screeching autist system, some ubermensch or divine entity in mind?

That's why we have the FDA and FCC, among other entities, to prevent corporations from, I dunno, putting asbestos into foods as an artificial filler. Because you know they'll do stupid shit like that if they were allowed to.

That's a different argument and can of worms and I'm not getting into that here. Suffice to say, I am not promoting companies being misleading or falsely advertising. But loot crates, in and of themselves, are not inherently misleading, unless they mislead on loot percentages. They're offering people a choice, and letting them to decide what to do with that. And where's the limit anyway? Is the Humble Monthly Bundle gambling, too? Should Taco Bell be punished for subsidizing Boogie2988's obesity?

It's a delicate balance and requires a lot of forethought (a lot more forethought than the government puts into things, but still), running society is a lot like a game of Jenga.

From the top-down, liberal vision of society as run by a dynamic government body led by "experts," sure, understand that opinion. It's certainly the dominant view of what government should be today. However, it is not my view; where we differ is that I am a completely bottom-up guy. It's clear from how we approach these issues that you are more liberal and I am more "conservative." You view society as dynamically being tinkered with for some greater good for the "general population", while I believe freedom is having all the choices laid out for you and you free to take them and suffer for it if you make the wrong one.

ea pushed it too far and as usual is ruining things for everyone else by having game mechanics and player upgrades locked behind random chance crates that don't have the odds visible, you cannot (from what i know) trade them for the upgrades/mechanics you do want, and aren't weighted to guarantee you fuck all that you want

i don't doubt this will fuck over a lot of products with crates in them but some of them have had it coming for a long time with how little transparency they have with your actual chances and how little freedom some of them give you to remove some of the randomness

So don't play the game. I don't really get why this is a big deal. It's really easy not to play these games since they're not fun. EA is garbage and is largely associated with games that are the cultural equivalent to Marvel superhero movies. I agree that the odds are not visible is concerning, but it should be a red flag to the person not to play in the first place. As I argue above, people should be left to their own reasoning faculties, however poor, and experience whatever the outcome is, win or lose.
 
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I'm well aware of how overwatch's boxes work. That still doesn't change my point that this shit really got inflamed when blizzard made a big success off of it, cosmetics or not.

Also I think locking cosmetics behind gambling mechanics is still super shitty. I don't care how they try to justify it.
You don’t have to spend a cent to unlock Overwatch cosmetics. Only autists get mad about not being able to unlock cosmetics that don’t have any effect on gameplay, nor have any real world monetary value a la CS:GO (which is still kind of autistic).
 
All of those games suck though unless you're mentally challenged so who cares?

Well, I can't say I disagree, but broke people like them. TF2 isn't so bad. Regardless, I agree, who cares? There are more important things to worry about than lootboxes in boring games featuring spacemen with magic powers... Though, despite all the complaints people still buy and play these games anyway, so maybe people are crying out because they want to be protected from themselves, I don't know. I just see a shitty game with nickle and diming and I don't play. I don't really get why other people just ignore the game and move on instead of acting like EA publicly endorsed Trump.
 
You don’t have to spend a cent to unlock Overwatch cosmetics. Only autists get mad about not being able to unlock cosmetics that don’t have any effect on gameplay, nor have any real world monetary value a la CS:GO (which is still kind of autistic).

Technically speaking, you don't have to spend a cent to unlock everything in BF2, just play for an unnecessarily long time to unlock everything.

In Overwatch, the rate at which you earn skins is really slow. It take roughly an hour of play to earn one lootbox, assuming everything goes well enough. With the amount of shitty sprays that flood the odds, it can take up few hours before you see any hero skins.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...tchs-loot-boxes-are-exhausting-to-unlock/amp/

Combine that with fact that some skins are seasonal, and the system really tries to push you to buy boxes. Just because blizzard was nice enough to not fuck with the game balance for the sake of microtranactions doesn't mean the lootboclxes aren't bs.
 
I don't mind DLC, map backs, expansions etc...

But I don't want to pay money for the chance at getting something. Nor should the threshold to earn the item be set at such an absurd level which I think was the whole problem with this game.
 
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I think after the movie releases Disney is going to announce they are rescinding the contract with EA.

They aren't stupid and know this has severely reduced profits and could potentially spill into the movie (if Mark Hamil hasn't done already damage by revealing they only gave him and his character very short and shit scenes).
 
Personally I just can't wait to hear about the CEO of EA being found at the bottom of the ocean wearing concrete shoes, that were probably put on him by Activision.
 
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I don't mind DLC, map backs, expansions etc...

But I don't want to may money for the chance at getting something. Nor should the threshold to earn the item be set at such an absurd level which I think was the whole problem with this game.

Then don't. It's really that simple. The idea that if EA releases the game, gamers will mindlessly and zombie-like be forced to both buy the game and buy these shitty loot crates is idiotic. I'm not even sure why anyone expected the game to be good in the first place. It's really not that difficult for people to just not play P2W games. Despite the argument that they're going to lead to the ruination of society, nothing is going to happen if some idiots do buy the game. I'm glad EA is getting a strong negative reaction to this, but some people seem to feel like EA ran over their cat or something. People need to just review bomb them and scrap the indignation.
 
Then don't. It's really that simple. The idea that if EA releases the game, gamers will mindlessly and zombie-like be forced to both buy the game and buy these shitty loot crates is idiotic. I'm not even sure why anyone expected the game to be good in the first place. It's really not that difficult for people to just not play P2W games. Despite the argument that they're going to lead to the ruination of society, nothing is going to happen if some idiots do buy the game. I'm glad EA is getting a strong negative reaction to this, but some people seem to feel like EA ran over their cat or something. People need to just review bomb them and scrap the indignation.

You sound a bit more contradictory than I think you mean to. It's good for people to speak up and complain about a bad product but it's also bad?
 
You sound a bit more contradictory than I think you mean to. It's good for people to speak up and complain about a bad product but it's also bad?

Well, this is the internet. As we all know, getting genuinely upset about something means you're a faggot. Be like me, who's too cool to care about shady business practices as long as it's just video games.

Or something, I don't fucking know, this lootbox shit is just driving all the ancaps out from under the fridge.
 
Then don't. It's really that simple. The idea that if EA releases the game, gamers will mindlessly and zombie-like be forced to both buy the game and buy these shitty loot crates is idiotic. I'm not even sure why anyone expected the game to be good in the first place. It's really not that difficult for people to just not play P2W games. Despite the argument that they're going to lead to the ruination of society, nothing is going to happen if some idiots do buy the game. I'm glad EA is getting a strong negative reaction to this, but some people seem to feel like EA ran over their cat or something. People need to just review bomb them and scrap the indignation.
That's a great argument if it was some mobile game, but this is a $60 tier 1 title.
 
Hawaii might be an overpriced tourist state that's hot as hell with those cockroach fuckers, but if they manage to fuck over loot boxes hard enough to get Disney to revoke EA's star wars license, i'll be happy.

EA's had this coming. People have been defending loot boxes as optional forever. But when it starts going to far the complaints become more valid and no amount of fanboying is going to silence that anymore.

While people say vote with your wallet, it doesn't really stop idiots from buying these games and buying tons of loot boxes. The only way to really even hope to change things is to have the law step in. Some people don't like that. And honestly it does make me a bit uneasy. But it's EA and not many people are going to sympathize with EA. and that is their own damn fault.
 
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