Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Milk Mage]

Why haven't there been any new threads?

 

[Rogowski]

Why haven't there been any new threads?

Because Chris' activity has dropped off. This could mean anything from Chris crashing into slumber or gearing up for one of the most RE:TARDED stunts of his life.

 

[LadyMayhem]

I've been worried about Barb for a while. I know she hasn't been a good parent, but I think she has a neurological disorder, maybe Alzheimer's or Dementia. I've seen where people have disagreed that she could have a Neuro condition or that she's faking because she says something coherent in a video, like, "can you get some cat food" for example, but that's just a few seconds out of an entire day that we see. She's lost a shit ton of weight, and one can't fake that. Just because someone has Alzheimer's or Dementia, doesn't mean that they can't seem normal for a few moments during the day. If Barb has a Neuro condition, and Chris is the one caring for her, I don't think she will live long, I guess is my point.

One issue with Alzheimer's/dementia is that when it gets bad, the person doesn't realize that they're hungry or need to go to the bathroom. I think Chris needs to be nagged by her to tend to her needs and that when that stops it's just over.

The interesting thing is that in this scenario, if she were to starve to death, it's not impossible that Chris could be charged with neglect of an elder.

 

[Pony Horn]

It could also be Parkinson's:

• Decreased facial expression, monotonous speech, and decreased eye blinking

Or it could be a number of other things.

 

[AnOminous]

It could also be Parkinson's:

• Decreased facial expression, monotonous speech, and decreased eye blinking

Or it could be a number of other things.

She only talked like that in those fake begging videos. When she barged in on Chris doing an unrelated video she talked completely normally.

 

[Paige Matheson]

It could also be Parkinson's:

• Decreased facial expression, monotonous speech, and decreased eye blinking

Or it could be a number of other things.

I agree. I only have experience in dealing with my Grandmother, who has Alzheimer's with Dementia.
I also see what I think is called masking in Barb. Ive noticed it when she looks in the camera in Chris' videos.
LadyMayhem, brought up a good point too. Sometimes people with Alzheimer's/Dementia will not even tell people they're hungry, or they eat very little. If Barb is dependent on Chris for meals or if she doesn't eat very much, I wonder if he even notices, since he's always in his dreamworlds of MLP, etc. I can't remember when Chris asked for money for nutritious bananas and Ensure for Barb, but I wonder if that's why he asked for that, because she doesn't eat much anymore? If Barb is on meds, I doubt Chris is even responsible enough to give them to her at the right times, much less at all. If Barb were to die, due to neglect from Chris being her caretaker, I wonder he would just play the tard card and charges would be dropped.

 

[Pony Horn]

She only talked like that in those fake begging videos. When she barged in on Chris doing an unrelated video she talked completely normally.

She doesn't look or act well at all in the Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017 video (she shows up at 17:50).

Spoiler: YOUTUBE

Edit: I'm not saying she has Parkinson's but she probably has something going on. No one can be surprised about it considering her age, diet, and living conditions.

There's not too many people she can blame for the latter two things so my sympathy level for her isn't where it would be for most people.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Is Chris an asshole? Like as in a horrible person? Can he be forgiven because he's exceptional?

He's not a monster. Compared to many of the cows we follow on here, he's virtually a saint. But he is self-centred, lazy, entitled and inconsiderate. That can partially be blamed on his autism, for sure, but it doesn't excuse his bad behaviour. He was diagnosed as high-functioning and grew up in mainstream education, so it's not like he's incapable of understanding the basics of functioning in society - plenty of autists who are as bad as him or worse manage. He can comprehend the word "no," he just doesn't like it when people apply it to him.

So I would say he is an asshole, because he deliberately misbehaves and falls back on autism as an excuse. And I don't think he should be forgiven for the simple reason that if he isn't punished, he refuses to learn.

Just because someone has Alzheimer's or Dementia, doesn't mean that they can't seem normal for a few moments during the day. If Barb has a Neuro condition, and Chris is the one caring for her, I don't think she will live long, I guess is my point.

Conversely, though, the times when we see Barb looking out of it are also only a few moments during the day and, significantly, they're times when she knows she's being filmed and she has something to gain from appearing feeble. She's appeared on a number of other occasions to be perfectly lucid, and it would be an odd coincidence if we kept happening to catch her during her few seconds of sanity. Barb is a grifter who will say or do anything to get what she wants, including pretending to be dying.

I mean, I think there's a pretty strong possibility that she is senile, but I don't think the videos where she's trying to play on people's sympathy are the best evidence.

 

[Done]

He's not a monster. Compared to many of the cows we follow on here, he's virtually a saint. But he is self-centred, lazy, entitled and inconsiderate. That can partially be blamed on his autism, for sure, but it doesn't excuse his bad behaviour. He was diagnosed as high-functioning and grew up in mainstream education, so it's not like he's incapable of understanding the basics of functioning in society - plenty of autists who are as bad as him or worse manage. He can comprehend the word "no," he just doesn't like it when people apply it to him.

So I would say he is an asshole, because he deliberately misbehaves and falls back on autism as an excuse. And I don't think he should be forgiven for the simple reason that if he isn't punished, he refuses to learn.

I was on a CWC sub-forum surf yesterday, and I found this old, old-ass post about Borb's parenting that I thought was outstanding. And it really describes why and how Chris is what he is now.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-ba...s-shes-made-out-to-be.5451/page-4#post-379834

Spoiler

There isn't much that I can say that hasn't already been touched on, but I do have experience with autistic children. Raising a special needs child is, well, challenging. What your child lacks in social structure you have to make up by constantly building external structure with him. If your child lacks the ability to pick up social cues naturally, you can still explain them to him and work with them until they are comfortable around other people. It isn't easy, and it is a constant process; there's no autistic bootcamp you can send your kid to and have him learn how to be the best person they can be. Luckily though, there are a lot of places one can turn to, and lots of people to help a parent who's willing to ask for it.

The issue with Borb is that it seems they never really took an interest in autism. To be fair, they were old and the product of a time when little was known about autism and misinformation abounded. It's pretty clear by listening to Chris talk about autism that the Chandlers probably never picked up a book about it. They probably did listen to what doctors told them about autism, but their concept of the disorder probably never grew beyond nebulous cultural associations (from TV and films like Rain Man.) I think the best evidence for this is Chris's disdain for other autistic persons and his opinions on asperger's. Not knowing much about autism meant they were ill-equipped for the challenges of raising Chris, and they responded to this special challenge by coddling him. This was natural for both Bob and Barb, who may have been compensating for having failed their previous children.

This backfired of course, because instead of teaching Chris how to fit into the real world, they taught him he should expect (and demand) that everyone else adapt to him... which is disastrous. It taught Chris to believe the people around him were constantly failing to understand him just because they were not willing to entertain his every whim. This must have been particularly catastrophic in his social development with other boys, where a certain amount of roughhousing, teasing and ignorance is to be expected. My biggest contention with Barb is the fact that she essentially fucked Chris's childhood up because she was lazy and unmotivated. Incidentally, she passed down some terrible personality flaws (pathological lying, self-victimization, treating others as accessories etc) and developed a co-dependent relationship with her son because he's so much like her. Who else would accept Chris as is if not Barb? This is reciprocal of course. If asked why she didn't spend more time with Chris growing up, or why she never disciplined him, I wouldn't be surprised if she gave Chandler-patented answers a-la "Well, at least I tried!" and "But raising him was soo hard! I had to put in soo much effort you wouldn't even believe!"

I've never met her though, so I don't know Barb outside of what I've read on the CWCki. I don't think she's a monster, but she should certainly be vilified for being a shitty person and a negligent parent.

My opinion has always been that most of Chris's personality problems stem from his upbringing (up to his high-school graduation) far more than his autism.

Is he an asshole? He definitely comes across as one, especially if you deny him something he wants, and he can be a vindictive prick if he was egged on by someone, but I am not sure if he wakes up in the morning and deliberately sets out to be an asshole. He is far too much of a pussy to ever act on any aggressive thoughts he gets, even the benign ones.

To me, he is just someone who was never raised to respect his surrounding environment and play life's game according to any rules but his. And that's why he is being pummeled so badly at this point.

 

[BV 937]

Man I hate when my favorite shows go into the off season.

 

[diana]

My opinion has always been that most of Chris's personality problems stem from his upbringing (up to his high-school graduation) far more than his autism.

You and warongiygas are exactly correct. Autism is just a challenge, like not having legs or missing an arm, just because you don't have all the parts doesn't give you the excuse to not try to succeed and live a normal life, however, you do require help.

To reiterate on warongiygas opinion, Borb ultimately caused this behavior to flourish, there are plenty of autistic adults who live perfectly normal lives, some even worse off than Chris but the difference is that they had parents who had an understanding or at least the money to afford someone with a good understanding of how to help raise autistic children.
ABA therapy has only recently been approved for insurance coverage in some states, after all.

But back to the question at hand; as many people have already said, Chris isn't an asshole, he's a shit stain who only cares for himself, but not an asshole.

I'm just curious why he's never received proper counseling for his condition. Money shouldn't be a factor, psychologists and other mental health professionals do sliding scales for their patients, some even offer their services free of charge. I wonder if Borbs old-fashioned views affected this possibly life-changing solution or if Chris' own stubbornness drove them insane and made them give in easily.

I remember that the woman in charge of his community college forced him to seek anger management therapy but why didn't those therapists refer him out to someone who could do a little bit more?

*Edit for grammar and spelling because I'm exceptional :autism:

 

[trueandhonestfan]

I've been worried about Barb for a while. I know she hasn't been a good parent, but I think she has a neurological disorder, maybe Alzheimer's or Dementia. I've seen where people have disagreed that she could have a Neuro condition or that she's faking because she says something coherent in a video, like, "can you get some cat food" for example, but that's just a few seconds out of an entire day that we see. She's lost a shit ton of weight, and one can't fake that. Just because someone has Alzheimer's or Dementia, doesn't mean that they can't seem normal for a few moments during the day. If Barb has a Neuro condition, and Chris is the one caring for her, I don't think she will live long, I guess is my point.

I don't think people don't think she's faking because of that, the first time she acted like that someone on the forum claims to have called their doctor who said that she was fine. I'm sure Chris would be playing it up more are talking about it on Facebook to get more donations if it was actually really bad. Remember that Barb isn't above manipulation either.

 

[Done]

You and warongiygas are exactly correct. Autism is just a challenge, like not having legs or missing an arm, just because you don't have all the parts doesn't give you the excuse to not try to succeed and live a normal life, however, you do require help.

To reiterate on warongiygas opinion, Borb ultimately caused this behavior to flourish, there are plenty of autistic adults who live perfectly normal lives, some even worse off than Chris but the difference is that they had parents who had an understanding or at least the money to afford someone with a good understanding of how to help raise autistic children.
ABA therapy has only recently been approved for insurance coverage in some states, after all.

But back to the question at hand; as many people have already said, Chris isn't an asshole, he's a shit stain who only cares for himself, but not an asshole.

I'm just curious why he's never received proper counseling for his condition. Money shouldn't be a factor, psychologists and other mental health professionals do sliding scales for their patients, some even offer their services free of charge. I wonder if Borbs old-fashioned views affected this possibly life-changing solution or if Chris' own stubbornness drove them insane and made them give in easily.

I remember that the woman in charge of his community college forced him to seek anger management therapy but why didn't those therapists refer him out to someone who could do a little bit more?

*Edit for grammar and spelling because I'm exceptional :autism:

There is room for interpretation, but my (baseless) theory is that they thought that him being autistic shamed them in some way.

Like, I can understand why they would be originally shocked & afraid, most parents would be, and them being ancient gives them even more reason to be.

But AFAIK, they never went to see the facilities that Greene County recommended, instead, they stubbornly went to court and concocted an exceptional dual-house living scheme, just so they can mainstream Chris by force in another county despite the court's decision. That money and effort could have gone into treating Chris, that to me shows how much they cared for their son vs themselves.

My basis on this is admittedly weak, but in the Mimms/Lucas Q&A, they mentioned that Borb seemed very bitter that Chris is this way.

What I find extremely ironic is that their names will long live in infamy & shame, not necessarily because their son was born autistic, but because of their aggressive negligence of the treatment & mitigation of his autism. It's kind of a fitting punishment if you think about it.

In their defense, having an autistic child is an extremely difficult challenge for most families, so it's possible that Chris would still end-up as a lolcow even if he got treatment and counselling, but I don't think he wouldn't have failed this hard in life, and wouldn't have had an entire wiki made just for his idiocy.

 

[diana]

What I find extremely ironic is that their names will long live in infamy & shame, not necessarily because their son was born autistic, but because of their aggressive negligence of the treatment & mitigation of his autism. It's kind of a fitting punishment if you think about it.

This is poetry

 

[Paige Matheson]

I don't think people don't think she's faking because of that, the first time she acted like that someone on the forum claims to have called their doctor who said that she was fine. I'm sure Chris would be playing it up more are talking about it on Facebook to get more donations if it was actually really bad. Remember that Barb isn't above manipulation either.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying someone on the forum claimed to call Barb's Doctor, or the person called their own Doctor? If they called Barb's Doctor, they wouldn't have been told a thing, and if they consulted with their own Doctor and showed them a video of Barb, that's pointless.
Normally, I would think if Barb had anything wrong, Chris would be begging for attention and donations, but since he's so wrapped up into MLP and the third eye/psychic nonsense, and thinks he has a successful Patreon, he's not begging right now.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying someone on the forum claimed to call Barb's Doctor, or the person called their own Doctor? If they called Barb's Doctor, they wouldn't have been told a thing, and if they consulted with their own Doctor and showed them a video of Barb, that's pointless.
Normally, I would think if Barb had anything wrong, Chris would be begging for attention and donations, but since he's so wrapped up into MLP and the third eye/psychic nonsense, and thinks he has a successful Patreon, he's not begging right now.

You're correct that they shouldn't be able to get any information out of somebody else's doctor, but that might not always be the case if they're unethical. When Chris was arrested for pepper spraying the GameStop employee people called the jail and got information about that, and while thay is completely different I don't think law enforcement should share such information either. Now the doctor call claim had no evidence so I'm a bit skeptical, but there's almost no reason to believe that Barb is super unhealthy. Chris would play it up to for begging and if she were actually really unhealthy he would be bitching about it. Like I said Barb, and to a much lesser extent Chris aren't above manipulating and lying to get what they want. It seems awfully suspicious that the only mentions of Barb being unhealthy are when they're begging.

When Phil claimed to have had an orchiectomy somebody contacted the urologist (or maybe it was one of their staff) and they confirmed that Phil did not have his spicy meatballs removed and that he was removed from the building for becoming aggressive. So while unlikely it's not entirely impossible that somebody did contact the Chandlers' doctor's office.

 

[Rogowski]

When Chris was arrested for pepper spraying the GameStop employee people called the jail and got information about that

This is completely legal, at least in the US. Anyone can call a county or city jail and get information on whether a person is in their jail, their charges, and their bail. In today's modern internet era most of this information can be found online but the good thing about calling the jail is sometimes you can get a little bit of extra information out of a jailer. This is how Chris' infamous mugshot was obtained, this is all publicly available information.

 

[Marvin]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, but are you saying someone on the forum claimed to call Barb's Doctor, or the person called their own Doctor? If they called Barb's Doctor, they wouldn't have been told a thing, and if they consulted with their own Doctor and showed them a video of Barb, that's pointless.
Normally, I would think if Barb had anything wrong, Chris would be begging for attention and donations, but since he's so wrapped up into MLP and the third eye/psychic nonsense, and thinks he has a successful Patreon, he's not begging right now.

I don't remember hearing about anyone contacting Barb's doctor. I do remember someone sending police to 14BC and requesting they perform a welfare check on Barb.

You're correct that they shouldn't be able to get any information out of somebody else's doctor, but that might not always be the case if they're unethical. When Chris was arrested for pepper spraying the GameStop employee people called the jail and got information about that, and while thay is completely different I don't think law enforcement should share such information either.

No, that's generally public information. Unless it's special circumstances, you should be able to call up a jail and get info on who's in there.

Now the doctor call claim had no evidence so I'm a bit skeptical, but there's almost no reason to believe that Barb is super unhealthy. Chris would play it up to for begging and if she were actually really unhealthy he would be bitching about it. Like I said Barb, and to a much lesser extent Chris aren't above manipulating and lying to get what they want. It seems awfully suspicious that the only mentions of Barb being unhealthy are when they're begging.

So, Barb knows the extent of her health problems. Obviously. However, Chris doesn't. He actually believes Barb when she chimps out about her health. Chris has kind of been conditioned to think that it's normal for someone to be near death one day (whether it's physical death or financial death), and then to be completely fine the next day. Chris thinks that's normal because Barb's been chimping out at him about her health and their finances for years. I've mentioned this before, but Chris has called 911 in a panic for Barb because she fell asleep and didn't answer his calls. He really believes it.

He's really freaked out about her, and when she's not chimping about her health, he doesn't really ask questions. He takes it as a welcome moment of peace and quiet. Health, like most things in life, is a black box to Chris. There's no room for logic or anything like that. Don't ask questions, just take what you can get, when you can get it.

I think it almost reminds me of his magical thinking. See, spending 5 minutes thinking "hmm, she was dying yesterday, so why isn't she asking me to take her to a hospital today??" is not an option to Chris. What is an option, however, is believing that a fuzzy, 30 second dream where the grim reaper promised your father would live for another decade is 100% prophesy.

I can ramble more about how I've observed him get less logical over the years.

When Phil claimed to have had an orchiectomy somebody contacted the urologist (or maybe it was one of their staff) and they confirmed that Phil did not have his spicy meatballs removed and that he was removed from the building for becoming aggressive. So while unlikely it's not entirely impossible that somebody did contact the Chandlers' doctor's office.

Yeah, I remember that, and at the time, I kinda rationalized it, but honestly, I don't know remember why I believed it. I kinda don't believe it now.

Like, how was that leak justified? Did whoever was on the phone just shout AIDS a few times until the nurse leaked the info?

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I don't remember hearing about anyone contacting Barb's doctor. I do remember someone sending police to 14BC and requesting they perform a welfare check on Barb.

No, that's generally public information. Unless it's special circumstances, you should be able to call up a jail and get info on who's in there.

So, Barb knows the extent of her health problems. Obviously. However, Chris doesn't. He actually believes Barb when she chimps out about her health. Chris has kind of been conditioned to think that it's normal for someone to be near death one day (whether it's physical death or financial death), and then to be completely fine the next day. Chris thinks that's normal because Barb's been chimping out at him about her health and their finances for years. I've mentioned this before, but Chris has called 911 in a panic for Barb because she fell asleep and didn't answer his calls. He really believes it.

He's really freaked out about her, and when she's not chimping about her health, he doesn't really ask questions. He takes it as a welcome moment of peace and quiet. Health, like most things in life, is a black box to Chris. There's no room for logic or anything like that. Don't ask questions, just take what you can get, when you can get it.

I think it almost reminds me of his magical thinking. See, spending 5 minutes thinking "hmm, she was dying yesterday, so why isn't she asking me to take her to a hospital today??" is not an option to Chris. What is an option, however, is believing that a fuzzy, 30 second dream where the grim reaper promised your father would live for another decade is 100% prophesy.

I can ramble more about how I've observed him get less logical over the years.

Yeah, I remember that, and at the time, I kinda rationalized it, but honestly, I don't know remember why I believed it. I kinda don't believe it now.

Like, how was that leak justified? Did whoever was on the phone just shout AIDS a few times until the nurse leaked the info?

You should just post a FAQ sticky and direct people to it, I've read you answering the same questions in different ways thousands of times.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Sometime around Generation 1, MLP had this other incarnation where the ponies lived in a town, would often go to the carnival and win teddy bears and shit, go to the ice cream shop and go to school. Sounds like something Chris would've liked, right? One problem, there were JERK MALES also living there. There were a lot of male ponies here, whereas normally in that generation, all horses were female.