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Asking other people to pay your taxes is so scummy. Especially someone as well off as DSP. I can't even imagine what his parents would think if they found out he did that.

The thing that confuses me about his whole argument is that he wants to keep his house and his nice things but he clearly cant afford them seeing as how much he has to beg people for money. What makes him think that he should stay in a house and keep living a life he can't afford? How long does he think he can keep up the "I can't afford my taxes" "I can't afford my bills" narrative?
 
The thing that confuses me about his whole argument is that he wants to keep his house and his nice things but he clearly cant afford them seeing as how much he has to beg people for money. What makes him think that he should stay in a house and keep living a life he can't afford? How long does he think he can keep up the "I can't afford my taxes" "I can't afford my bills" narrative?

That is a very good question. I would assume once he pays off the CT condo his financial troubles would be over cause he could sell it. The question is would he ever put his donators at ease like that?
 
He talks about his back taxes for duh bizness, but what about property taxes on both of his struggle mansions? That's gotta be at least 10 grand across the two unless he's in escrow on the Renton crib.

Also, he can sell the CT condo now. He'll just have to give the bank their cut before he lines his wallet. His issue is that he wants to short sell it.
 
He talks about his back taxes for duh bizness, but what about property taxes on both of his struggle mansions? That's gotta be at least 10 grand across the two unless he's in escrow on the Renton crib.

That is public information. According to public record he has paid the Washington property tax every year and it's usually 3k.
 
Many mortgages roll property taxes into your monthly payment. Generally banks don’t want you to fuck their investment up by forcing a tax sale because you needed a Wolverine doll.

What would be incredibly ironic is if his HOA decided the neighborhood needed a special assessment or an increase in fees. Those can get expensive quick.
 
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I made some posts on the tax situation already.

My thoughts (which are largely dependent on what the taxman actually says):
  • His YouTube revenue probably counts as "Royalties" which means its only subject to full taxes if he's a Washington celebrity. He is not, depending on how the taxman sees it, he'd only have to pay taxes applicable to income from Washington viewers (which he can prove via YouTube statistics)
  • He is not legally defined as an "entertainer"
  • "Tips" are not the same as "tips" like in a bar/restaurant. Because the tips do not originate from within Washington (the majority) it means that he can show proof that the majority of these originate from outside Washington which would mean that his customer base is not from Washington. He'd only technically be liable for tips/cheers received from users within Washington
My posts on this from 700 fucking pages ago:
I think this is an interesting topic to discuss if someone had a really hot shot tax attorney or lawyer or had the "street smarts" to fight it in court, but I think all this discussion would never affect Phil because he's a dolt.

Having said that, there's a very, very interesting part of the law about royalty payments from "intangible property". This is probably the most directly relevant thing to Phil as he is essentially licensing his "copyright" / "likeness" to a company who then places advertisements on said content and sends him payments for this.

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http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=458-20-19403

Therefore if Phil were smart enough, he could argue that its impossible to ascertain where this "intangible property" is consumed and as he isn't a local "washington celebrity" like "Joe Ball" in the example, he could argue that his use is mainly outside of the state and therefore its entirely possible he wouldn't have to pay shit.

But again, this would rely on having several lawyers who are experts, enough time/money/patience to push it through the audit and court process and argue the case. If someone actually successfully fought this issue in court, then they'd probably only have to pay in relation to actual viewers in Washington (which is probably like 1% or less of Phil's viewers).

If it were me I'd like to think I'd fight it tooth and nail, but I guess when you're fucked financially and got debt up the ass getting a team of hotshot lawyers probably isn't an option.

As Phil is a Twitch Affiliate this is the agreement he signs, which clearly spells out that he is licensing his content:
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And also of significant note is that Twitch is governed by da laws of California, you'd have to do a lot of research to find out where the actual payments and such come from, but if its an "out of state" company then that definitely gives a lot more strength to arguing that he has no liability to pay Washington State's business tax:
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https://www.twitch.tv/p/legal/affiliate-agreement/
I think it'd be more like a royalty payment as he licensed the image to Teespring to distribute. The example of Joe Ball, the famous Washington-based basketball player is good reading:
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http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=458-20-19403
Just because it has the word "entertainer" doesn't mean it applies. The definition of entertainer isn't clarified on the website, but likely is in reference to people who are hired to sing/entertain (such as musicians, comedians and emcees).

The Massachusetts government calls it a "performer":
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http://www.mass.gov/dor/docs/dor/publ/pdfs/performers.pdf

Phil records video of himself and licenses his copyright/likeness to a 3rd party company who places advertisements on said content and pays him "royalties" based upon this. This is most likely in no way considered to be an "entertainer".

For example if you made a DVD in Washington to which you held the copyright, but 90% of actual sales occurred outside of Washington then you wouldn't be liable for those in terms of tax. Replace DVD's which are "tangible goods" to Phil's online videos (which seem to be "intangible goods") and you can argue that almost none of the customer base is actually within Washington.

Another example might be if you were a musician hired to perform at a function, you are a person who is contracted to provide a "service". Because the function would likely be based in Washington by Washington-based company then you have taken advantage of being located within Washington and therefore you should pay the business tax.

If Phil provides no "service" to companies or customers located within Washington state, then he is deriving no benefit from being located in Washington state. Even technically speaking he is providing no actual service and rather mostly receiving royalties from copyrights that he owns (and yeah, we all know there's a lot of autism when it comes to Phil and copyright, but for the purposes of this discussion, he licenses out copyright he technically owns and receives royalty payments based upon this and not for providing a "service").

The law seems specifically written to exclude the outright sale of copyright (like if he sold the DSP "brand" in one transaction). As companies are "licensing" his copyright, it wouldn't technically be excluded.

This part of the Washington laws is probably the most relevant when it comes to "entertainer" that I could find:
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http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=458-20-211

>tfw they use an example which mentions "Helicopter, Inc."

Anyway, the important distinction is that an entertainer is contracted/hired to provide services, whereas Phil produces his own video content which he licenses. So I can't see it as being the same. A contractor/performer/entertainer would likely not hold any copyright entitlement to what they do, much less receive royalties from it from out of state sources.

Having said all that, even if the copyright/royalties argument got accepted by the government he'd still have to explain the Patreon income as well as Twich bits/cheers. As neither of these technically directly relate to his copyright and are digital tokens it'd be a nightmarish complex situation. Supposing the twitch bits/cheers/subs fell under "intangible goods" then Phil could argue they were consumed out of state in which case the Washington government may have no basis upon which to claim tax.

If it became too complex to show where Phil's "consumers" purchase/use his "intangible goods" then some of the previous shit I pasted shows that it'd fall to whichever state the company is that provides said income to Phil. So if Amazon/YouTube are not based in Washington, then he can tell them to fuck off.
 
Governmental bodies do payment plans when you owe taxes. This idea he is pandering that he has to make these massive payments quickly has to be utter horseshit.

I have zero hard evidence but I wouldn't be surprised if Phil is already just paying the bare minimum on his taxes and using the rest to knock out other debts.

Phil has alot of credit debt, which could possibly have outrageous interest rates. He could pay the minimum to the state and use the left over cash to kill credit card debt.
 
Asking other people to pay your taxes is so scummy. Especially someone as well off as DSP. I can't even imagine what his parents would think if they found out he did that.

Given all the autism that has been going on recently, I am almost certain someone hit Phil's parents up and let them know. More autistic things have happened. Though it is one of the few things I would agree with because you'd think they'd give Phil a reality check. I know if I just learned that my child was a scummy e-begger, I would give him a stern talking to.
 
Given all the autism that has been going on recently, I am almost certain someone hit Phil's parents up and let them know. More autistic things have happened. Though it is one of the few things I would agree with because you'd think they'd give Phil a reality check. I know if I just learned that my child was a scummy e-begger, I would give him a stern talking to.

What exactly are you basing that radical assumption on?
 
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What exactly are you basing that radical assumption on?

Nothing really. Just seems to me that if somebody is autistic enough to send a cardboard penis than someone can be autisic enough to flag Phil's folks.

We are so far down the rabbit hole since the dutch hooker saga that any and every assumption is feasible. And this is no more radical than half the shit that happens around Phil.
 
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Given all the autism that has been going on recently, I am almost certain someone hit Phil's parents up and let them know. More autistic things have happened. Though it is one of the few things I would agree with because you'd think they'd give Phil a reality check. I know if I just learned that my child was a scummy e-begger, I would give him a stern talking to.

The problem is that Phil has always been coddled by his parents and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
Nothing really. Just seems to me that if somebody is autistic enough to send a cardboard penis than someone can be autisic enough to flag Phil's folks.

We are so far down the rabbit hole since the dutch hooker saga that any and every assumption is feasible. And this is no more radical than half the shit that happens around Phil.

Just a friendly reminded to not touc.h the poop.

My own opinion is that Phil is a 35 year old man, his parents aren't wealthy and probably largely don't care about what he does on a day to day basis (which isn't an indication that they love/hate him, just that they're not particularly close). He calls them once a week or some shit and Phil has already clearly said that he watches videos on occasion and laughs at some of the detractor stuff.
 
The problem is that Phil has always been coddled by his parents and I don't see that changing any time soon.

Well another assumption has been that the bridges between Phil and his parents have been burned. I believe the basis was that they kept kicking him money and he never paid it back.

But the parents' info has been out for a little while now. Nobody has emailed them a detractor video? It just gets the almonds wondering if something else happened.

@Nager I ain't touching shit. I can't be bothered with it. I might dip into a-log territory here and there but I'm too lazy to fuck with someone that isn't worth my time.
 
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But the parents' info has been out for a little while now. Nobody has emailed them a detractor video? It just gets the almonds wondering if something else happened.
He already said on a stream that his dad has watched videos and laughed at the people that made detractors videos.
For a while there was someone who was RPing as his dad in YouTube video comments, so I'm 100% certain he's been emailed.
 
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week in preview recap:

0:00-2:00 everything is great and schedule stuff.
2:00 - officially calling Wed a fundraiser
3:30 - TAXES
4:00-5:00 - historic COD session
5:05 - no second stream on Monday for muh taxes. SO MUCH WORK.
7:00 - MAYBE no second stream on Tuesday because muh taxes. gotta do 'em. SO MUCH WORK
7:30 - "i'm basically doing exactly the same thing I did at the end of december." definitely a fundraiser.
8:00-9:00 - so he made so much money in december's begathon that he must pay more taxes now so he's doing another fundraiser to cover it.
9:30 - b-ACK-taxes.
10:30 - "i have to do the fundraiser now because it'll be too late if i wait since i wont get your money before the taxes are due if i wait longer!"
12:00 - main stream on wednesday is PUBG. gotta get that $$$.
13:00 - it's the game industry's fault that subs went down in Feb. for not giving him AAA releases to play.
13:44 - making fun of and talking down to people suspicious of how much fucking money he made in Dec. also, talking down to people who work 9-5's.
15:10 - he can't put taxes on his credit card anymore because his credit is spread so thin.
15:30 - "just as big of a threat as december!"
16:00 - "all extra money is gonna go to the next round of taxes!"
16:30 - "i dont have money for a new TV and my ps4 is on its last leg! I'm not rolling in money like some dumb conspiracy theorists say!"

the rest is boring.

takeaways:

- he has no idea how much fucking money he will owe for his taxes and he needs to beg his fans to give him as much as possible. however much money he made previously will affect how much money he owes, which he doesnt know because he's fucking stupid, so better just give him all of it during the fundraiser, which he seems committed to calling it. a fundraiser.

he's not doing a marathon on wednesday during the fundraiser. in fact, he's doing nothing different for either stream except having some stats overlay during his normal day of playing video games twice a day on stream. but because it's a fundraiser, he needs to play the games that will raise the most funds for him, so he'll be playing PUBG for the money and then playing COD for second stream.

also, anyone who questions him on how much money he owes and how the fuck he could need to do another fundraiser 2 months after a massively successful one already are just a bunch of idiots 9-5 working slave conspiratards who dont know how to run their own businesses.
 
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