DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[PieceofShet]

I dunno. Earning 6 figures means "rich" in my book.

 

[neger psykolog]

I dunno. Earning 6 figures means "rich" in my book.

If you're earning 6 figures and have no debt? Sure that's richer than like 99% of the world's population.

But people rarely have zero debt, especially at those income levels.

So just because you earn a figure of money, if the majority of that is taken away by dead-end debt payments then you're not really rich.

I guess a good example to use is "economic freedom"; it's not really the same thing we're talking about here, but its close enough of a concept.

If you earn $100,000 per year and you spend 90% of that on debt payments/tax/living costs then you have no "freedom". You have no flexibility with your money and you are tied for eternity into paying off loans and unsustainable credit card debt.

Phil is a 35 year old man, with a large income, who doesn't even have the freedom to spend 400 fucking dollars on a new console.

A person earning half as much with less debt/more freedom could easily fuck around buying stupid shit as they please. Phil is not that person, he has no freedom. All of that money he gets goes straight to the bank or credit card company.

 

[Faded]

A person earning half as much with less debt/more freedom could easily fuck around buying stupid shit as they please. Phil is not that person, he has no freedom. All of that money he gets goes straight to the bank or credit card company.

Don't, you'll give him ideas... next thing you'll know. He'll be begging to pay for his credit card debt.

 

[BoingBoingBoi]

mr. positivity returns stronger than ever!

https://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDSP/status/968415402349834241
http://archive.is/65nkf

 

[chairgate]

"the future looks bright"

guess kat gave him the ps4 pro after he had a bad day

 

[Clop]

I just got reminded of how terrible Phil is playing horror games, specifically Perception. Most people playing video games get immersed in them, but Phil being the type who absolutely hates playing games, he just keeps doing terrible, clownish impressions and ruins it for any viewer. The game has a blind protagonist who uses echolocation by tapping a cane against surfaces, but as a downside it attracts the attention of a monster. This downside is something that Phil never even considers even when that same creature is coming after him actively, even though he himself for a single moment uses the cane to attract the monster to bypass it. It's mind-boggling.

On top of that, after he notes that 'dying' in the game respawns you with no progress lost, he just runs into enemies while complaining that they lose all threat. Granted, it's a strange design decision, but you just know that if it didn't have that, Phil would instead complain that the game punishes you "so harshly."

And as an icing on the cake when the game ends with an actual peaceful note, Phil just has to put in his two cents that he would do a "better ending" by having "The End... Or Is It?"-trope of horror stories. Phil you absolute mongrel, how would that be "better?" It would be like any lazy, half-assed Hollywood horror movie, that's your idea?


tl;dr Phil is still garbage at every video game, thinks he's absolutely awesome and insightful.

 

[PieceofShet]

But people rarely have zero debt, especially at those income levels.

Except he is not like those people. He is a streamer. He only needs an internet connection and a place. None of his big expenses related to his "job".

He doesnt have 400dollars to buy ps4pro? Sure he has, but he already spent it on other luxury items, which he is able to enjoy every day. Just because he spends all his income by the end of the month, it doesnt make him not rich. I measure being rich on the income you can get... (at least in his case).

If his job required to move to NY for example... have a car, buy clothes, attend parties... that would be different.

 

[neger psykolog]

Except he is not like those people. He is a streamer. He only needs an internet connection and a place. None of his big expenses related to his "job".

He doesnt have 400dollars to buy ps4pro? Sure he has, but he already spent it on other luxury items, which he is able to enjoy every day. Just because he spends all his income by the end of the month, it doesnt make him not rich. I measure being rich on the income you can get... (at least in his case).

If his job required to nove to NY for example... have a car, buy clothes... that would be different.

What "luxury items"?

 

[neger psykolog]

https://twitter.com/TheyCallMeDSP/status/968422784022888449
http://archive.fo/Udbbn

 

[Done]

2) he simply must ask for money because he has no other problems. he has no more "boogie man" like the SOK, no more personal problems, no health crisis, no relationship related sob story---really all of his problems are financial at this point, to which the only solution is giving him more money. he doesnt have much room to wiggle in terms of motivating "support" by sharing his problems, since the only motivator is his financial distress. Now though he cant ask directly for financial support like he has been, but he has to do a version of that.

I agree with you on the whole post, but you forgot that DSP already seeded the health issues thing way back in December 2017.

During the fundraiser he mentioned the tax thing, and he went on to mention that he has a health issue, but he said he won't disclose it yet.

With that said, we don't know how capable he is of utilizing this excuse to it's fullest potential if he's being muzzled and monitored by Twitch. I personally expect him to try using other platforms just for the new fundraiser, like YouTube Superchat for example.

 

[rizlajizzla]

I agree with you on the whole post, but you forgot that DSP already seeded the health issues thing way back in December 2017.

During the fundraiser he mentioned the tax thing, and he went on to mention that he has a health issue, but he said he won't disclose it yet.

Oh, hell's bells. I forgot about that. I cannot fucking wait. As a proud representative of people with actual health problems, and actual bad backs, I think this, if it plays out, will be deliciously bad.

 

[PieceofShet]

What "luxury items"?

Dunno... second home he doesnt use... second internet line, brand new car he barely use and suppesed to be a cheap one...

 

[KingjadVCMP]

Motherfucker just financed a move across country for his live-in maid which would've cost a pretty penny. Any financial issues Phil faces are self-inflicted. He'd be a lot better off living within his means. He refuses to though which is why we point and laugh when reality sets in for him. He's had a lot of chances to be sensible with his money but instead he goes all-in recklessly, hoping it'll pan out. He earns (translation: is gifted) good money but has ended up wasting so much of it.

 

[Um Oh Ah Yeah]

Dunno... second home he doesnt use... second internet line, brand new car he barely use and suppesed to be a cheap one...

Yeah, but youre conflating debt he's accrued with stuff he buys. Basically, there are a certain number of expenses that he could get rid of if he needed to (He could reduce his internet speeds, buy cheaper groceries, go out to dinner less). There are also a certain number of expenses that are still "luxury items" but that he still has to pay every month. His two homes, his car, his credit cards, his business loan. He's signed an agreement to take on those items as debt, and cannot stop paying on them without extremely negative consequences.

So if you look at his income versus how much debt he is required to pay off every month plus whatever he actually needs to pay for to live (water, electrics, gas, food) then no, DSP is not as well off as you think. He makes a lot, but he's tied up almost all of it in debt he can't just shake off. @neger psykolog was correct to say that there are people making $50k a year who have more excess money to play around with.

Edit: plus he does dumb shit like fly a woman around the country. I betcha he put it all on a credit card too.

 

[JackDavis]

I'm gonna requote my post saying that Phil is only going to last 3-6 months.

Phil will absolutely be around on Twitch in September 2018. If he's not, I'll eat my shoe*.

*made of chocolate

What "luxury items"?

Two 60"+ TVs, huge ass couch (so large he has to put part of it upstairs), multiple Keurigs, Dyson vacuums, SimpleHuman trash cans, 500 blurays, Amazon Prime, Netflix, Sams Club/Costco membership, 2017 toyota.. etc

 

[James Smith]

People claiming DSP isn't affluent because he's buying the luxuries in his life with credit are being pretty stupid. Go ask the bank for two mortgages for two condos and an auto loan for a current year model car, then when they say no come back and tell me credit is not of value and DSP isn't trading something of value he has for luxuries the same way someone trades cash or gold bullion for luxuries.

 

[Clop]

What "luxury items"?

A maid.

 

[Sparkletor]

Do you think Phil's tax attorney is fully aware of what Phil does for a "business"?

I imagine the questions he must have when he sees selsun blue, every fast food place in Seattle, hundreds of dollars in video games, Phil's mortgage, electric bill, and a cowboy hat under business expenses.

Edit: I forgot assassin's creed outfit, novelty light up winter hat, and liquor.

 

[Um Oh Ah Yeah]

People claiming DSP isn't affluent because he's buying the luxuries in his life with credit are being pretty stupid. Go ask the bank for two mortgages for two condos and an auto loan for a current year model car, then when they say no come back and tell me credit is not of value and DSP isn't trading something of value he has for luxuries the same way someone trades cash or gold bullion for luxuries.

Yes, but the conversation started out of speculating how much DSP's income would have to dip before he'd really be hurting, and the counter point was that he's well off so it could dip quite a bit. All I'm saying is that a lot of the money he's making is already ear marked for existing debt that he couldn't just stop paying on, which means that it wouldn't take that much of a dip in income to start hurting him. If he was spending thousands of dollars every month on one off luxury items (like fancy dinners or something) then it would be easier to cut those out to live below his means if his income suddenly dropped.

That, plus psychologically speaking DSP would probably rather die than reduce his standard of living.

 

[EddyB43]

It was never really proven 100%, but wasn't their a time where it seemed like Twitch chewed out Phil for how he was soliciting bits? He came on a prestream and said he talked with Twitch, lied about how much they love him, and then went into a detailed explanation about what he can and can't do when asking for bits. He may have even said he approached them and asked about bits, but that doesn't seem like something Phil would do. Maybe someone like @EddyB43 can remember more about this or around when this occured because I have no idea when this happened.

DSP actually brought up the one time he admits Twitch corrected him on something and it was how he talked about bits.
February 23rd's prestream, 28:25 start of a shoutout asking about these new ToS changes, after some rambling at 32:05 DSP thinks he's safe, 32:30 (linked) is when DSP admits "a year and a half ago, if not longer" (impossible, that would be August 23rd 2016, over 3 months before he returned to Twitch on November 29th 2016) "they actually reached out to me to say 'Uh, here's how you should talk about bits. Don't talk about bits in this way, talk about bits in this way if you're gonna do it.' And I was like OH OK & ever since then I did & I've never had a problem with Twitch ever again. So... Twitch has been really nice uh to me & youno I really like the business, youno." It keeps going but you get the idea. https://youtu.be/a7WoUpMnZ5A?t=1950

BONUS: 34:15 in the same prestream DSP talks about going to SGC, "Stuttering Craig... probably one of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life, like he was really a gentleman & very very inviting, welcoming" "he was really cool to us" Watch the first 2:40 for a quick summary on Stuttering Craig.

No wonder DSP likes him - he backstabbed his best friend (Handsome Tom/John Rambo) & he insisted people make a show without any extra funding (PBC Productions' Captain S/Respect the Pact's Project 7).

There's no amount of ebegging that will put him ahead of paying off two houses, a car and multiple credit cards.

One more thing I'll point out is DSP has vaguely implied he has two business loans that he's also paying, separate from the multiple credit cards & the house & condo. This was brought up during that Scarface Q&A session which prompted DSP to film that "State of DSP" video which is ACTUALLY one & a half years ago, from August 22nd, 2016.