DragoonSierra
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Which person was this?
Sorry, geez
In all seriousness though, speaking of butchering, the entire English language has been going through that for about a century now.
Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.
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In all seriousness though, speaking of butchering, the entire English language has been going through that for about a century now.
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One of 'em was GenderCoping, the same transperson who apparently pissed off CON enough to put on their "enemies list" for daring to disagree with Pedo Nyberg. Had a long exchange with 'em through my shitpostng account before Greta got them indefinitely suspended for thoughtcrimes.
The other two were on my older shitposting account, which got banned back in 2015 with no reason given (actual reason: making fun of professional victims).
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Since all the usual SJW spergs seem to be on a lawyer-driven social media lockdown in regards to this topic, here is something to pass the time... I don't think this was posted previously, if I'm late, let me know and I'll delete.
While Kiwis may have been off in some of our predictions for the Nina ICE situation, keep in mind that we were mostly dependent on Facebook spin from Greta and Nina. Here is an article from the LGBT Windy City Times from December that is more fact-oriented, despite it's obvious bias.
http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/...ars-before-immigration-court-judge/61315.html
While Kiwis may have been off in some of our predictions for the Nina ICE situation, keep in mind that we were mostly dependent on Facebook spin from Greta and Nina. Here is an article from the LGBT Windy City Times from December that is more fact-oriented, despite it's obvious bias.
http://www.windycitymediagroup.com/...ars-before-immigration-court-judge/61315.html
Trans Lifeline co-founder Nina Chaubal ( a transgender woman and citizen of India ) appeared in front of Chicago Immigration Court Judge Elizabeth Lang Nov. 29 for an administrative hearing where the Department of Homeland Security ( DHS ) was pursuing a deportation case against her. About 15 supporters squeezed into the small courtroom to rally behind Chaubal and her U.S. citizen wife Greta Martela.
Prior to co-founding Trans Lifeline, Chaubal worked at Google as a software engineer. She has been in the U.S. since 2009 on a student visa and then a work visa when she graduated from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
This court date stemmed from an incident with Immigration and Customs Enforcement ( ICE ) in Arizona last December. Chaubal was detained for a week at the for-profit ICE detention center Eloy, 80 miles southeast of Phoenix. Eloy has been cited for its abusive policies against undocumented immigrants and transgender women.
She was released when ICE processed her bond payment after the New Year's holiday. Supporters started a crowd funding campaign to pay for her ensuing legal fees.
Chaubal and Martela co-founded the crisis hotline Trans Lifeline about three years ago to help transgender people like themselves. They were traveling from San Diego to their home in Chicago ( they have since moved to Northern California ) after a long fundraising trip for Trans Lifeline when they were stopped by ICE at a checkpoint in Arizona. Martela had originally thought about traveling through the Rocky Mountains but was worried about the winter weather, hence why they took the southern route through Arizona.
When ICE stopped their vehicle they detained Chaubal when they discovered she had an expired work visa even though the couple provided authorities with their marriage certificate. Like many transgender people, Chaubal's Indian passport did not match her gender identity, therefore outing her as a transgender woman. Martela explained that ICE was stopping everyone that day and questioning their citizenship.
"When I was arrested I was thinking about all the horror stories I had heard of trans women in prisons and detention centers being held in the men's unit or in solitary confinement," said Chaubal. "I was also afraid that the over armed border patrol guards would choose to use force. The first day, they moved me between facilities without telling me where I was and with no way to contact Greta."
"I was terrified that they were going to hurt Nina," said Martela. "The border patrol officers were clearly transphobic. Being stopped at a checkpoint and having my wife detained was a nightmare, something that I associate with totalitarian regimes. The border patrol agents lied to me about what would happen. They told me to drive to a parking lot and wait for her. They were taunting me in my pain and fear. They are the worst kind of bigots and cowards."
At the Nov. 29 hearing, Chaubal's immigration attorney Michael Jarecki argued in court that since U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services ( USCIS ) had already signed off on the couple's "good faith marriage" by approving a marriage-based petition at an interview in Oct. 2017 she should be allowed to stay in the country. Legal preparations for Chaubal's marriage-based green card filing were already in the works before Chaubal was detained. Jarecki noted that Chaubal's detention complicated her case on every level.
"At that time, many LGBTQ bi-national couples were extremely worried about immediate changes to immigration law and same-sex marriage once Trump was inaugurated," said Jarecki. "Nina's case was considered uncomplicated at first. Given that Nina's immigration history was 'clean' and she did not have a criminal history, it was anticipated that we would pursue the case directly with USCIS."
"During the Nov. 29 hearing none of the people who were fighting deportation were referred to by name," said Martela. "Instead, they referred to them only by their A number in a disgusting attempt to dehumanize everyone there, including my wife."
Additionally, ahead of the hearing Jarecki explained that he made a request to the DHS attorneys to join him in a motion to terminate the deportation proceedings and allow Chaubal to apply for her green card through USCIS due to well-known immigration court delays. DHS did not agree to these terms so Jarecki made a motion to terminate proceedings during the hearing to allow the USCIS to take jurisdiction.
Judge Lang did not agree to the termination request and instead ruled that Chaubal will have a final hearing in front of her in Feb. 2018 to determine if she will be granted the green card. Jarecki noted that Chaubal will be able to present her case at the Feb. 2018 hearing, including affidavits or written testimony from witnesses and her own testimony.
"The hearing relieved a lot of stress for me because they did not deport me that day," said Chaubal. "It was not the victory we wanted, but it let us keep moving forward."
"If the green card is approved in February, the case will be terminated because Nina will be approved for permanent resident status and the government will no longer have an argument that she is deportable," said Jarecki.
Prior to co-founding Trans Lifeline, Chaubal worked at Google as a software engineer. She has been in the U.S. since 2009 on a student visa and then a work visa when she graduated from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
This court date stemmed from an incident with Immigration and Customs Enforcement ( ICE ) in Arizona last December. Chaubal was detained for a week at the for-profit ICE detention center Eloy, 80 miles southeast of Phoenix. Eloy has been cited for its abusive policies against undocumented immigrants and transgender women.
She was released when ICE processed her bond payment after the New Year's holiday. Supporters started a crowd funding campaign to pay for her ensuing legal fees.
Chaubal and Martela co-founded the crisis hotline Trans Lifeline about three years ago to help transgender people like themselves. They were traveling from San Diego to their home in Chicago ( they have since moved to Northern California ) after a long fundraising trip for Trans Lifeline when they were stopped by ICE at a checkpoint in Arizona. Martela had originally thought about traveling through the Rocky Mountains but was worried about the winter weather, hence why they took the southern route through Arizona.
When ICE stopped their vehicle they detained Chaubal when they discovered she had an expired work visa even though the couple provided authorities with their marriage certificate. Like many transgender people, Chaubal's Indian passport did not match her gender identity, therefore outing her as a transgender woman. Martela explained that ICE was stopping everyone that day and questioning their citizenship.
"When I was arrested I was thinking about all the horror stories I had heard of trans women in prisons and detention centers being held in the men's unit or in solitary confinement," said Chaubal. "I was also afraid that the over armed border patrol guards would choose to use force. The first day, they moved me between facilities without telling me where I was and with no way to contact Greta."
"I was terrified that they were going to hurt Nina," said Martela. "The border patrol officers were clearly transphobic. Being stopped at a checkpoint and having my wife detained was a nightmare, something that I associate with totalitarian regimes. The border patrol agents lied to me about what would happen. They told me to drive to a parking lot and wait for her. They were taunting me in my pain and fear. They are the worst kind of bigots and cowards."
At the Nov. 29 hearing, Chaubal's immigration attorney Michael Jarecki argued in court that since U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services ( USCIS ) had already signed off on the couple's "good faith marriage" by approving a marriage-based petition at an interview in Oct. 2017 she should be allowed to stay in the country. Legal preparations for Chaubal's marriage-based green card filing were already in the works before Chaubal was detained. Jarecki noted that Chaubal's detention complicated her case on every level.
"At that time, many LGBTQ bi-national couples were extremely worried about immediate changes to immigration law and same-sex marriage once Trump was inaugurated," said Jarecki. "Nina's case was considered uncomplicated at first. Given that Nina's immigration history was 'clean' and she did not have a criminal history, it was anticipated that we would pursue the case directly with USCIS."
"During the Nov. 29 hearing none of the people who were fighting deportation were referred to by name," said Martela. "Instead, they referred to them only by their A number in a disgusting attempt to dehumanize everyone there, including my wife."
Additionally, ahead of the hearing Jarecki explained that he made a request to the DHS attorneys to join him in a motion to terminate the deportation proceedings and allow Chaubal to apply for her green card through USCIS due to well-known immigration court delays. DHS did not agree to these terms so Jarecki made a motion to terminate proceedings during the hearing to allow the USCIS to take jurisdiction.
Judge Lang did not agree to the termination request and instead ruled that Chaubal will have a final hearing in front of her in Feb. 2018 to determine if she will be granted the green card. Jarecki noted that Chaubal will be able to present her case at the Feb. 2018 hearing, including affidavits or written testimony from witnesses and her own testimony.
"The hearing relieved a lot of stress for me because they did not deport me that day," said Chaubal. "It was not the victory we wanted, but it let us keep moving forward."
"If the green card is approved in February, the case will be terminated because Nina will be approved for permanent resident status and the government will no longer have an argument that she is deportable," said Jarecki.
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Thanks for that. It confirms that what we assumed happened at the February hearing was correct.
More recent cap of TLL timeline comments.
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It would be amusing if she's escaped deportation only to end up in prison.
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I'm personally interested in seeing more people speak out against TLL/Grena, especially in the trans community. While TLL might being doing damage control of the comments of their page they can't control what people post elsewhere, including as mentioned earlier in the thread the comments on Buck Angel's share of the post.
While they might be under legal orders to keep quiet given how much troons love to gossip I wonder if more details about what happened will filter out eventually? I think Grena pocketing TLL funds is a given but as others have mentioned I do wonder if there was other shit too (and also how much money they embezzled).
Either way few things are more satisfying than seeing self righteous, victim-playing assholes finally getting their just desserts.
The next couple months will be very interesting.
While they might be under legal orders to keep quiet given how much troons love to gossip I wonder if more details about what happened will filter out eventually? I think Grena pocketing TLL funds is a given but as others have mentioned I do wonder if there was other shit too (and also how much money they embezzled).
Either way few things are more satisfying than seeing self righteous, victim-playing assholes finally getting their just desserts.
The next couple months will be very interesting.
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Two actual facts we didn't know.
So they actually had got things moving before the ICE incident in December, contrary to our belief that they hadn't. This would explain not deporting.
However, Nina did not in fact get a green card as claimed. That was a lie. However, it seems likely to happen in February, since whatever happened with TLL probably won't percolate through the USCIS process by then. This is assuming, of course, that nothing else has already happened.
So they actually had got things moving before the ICE incident in December, contrary to our belief that they hadn't. This would explain not deporting.
However, Nina did not in fact get a green card as claimed. That was a lie. However, it seems likely to happen in February, since whatever happened with TLL probably won't percolate through the USCIS process by then. This is assuming, of course, that nothing else has already happened.
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They're talking about February just gone. There's no reason to believe that proceedings weren't terminated at that hearing as Nina and Greta said. The deportation proceedings were the only remaining bar to USCIS being able to issue a green card. The judge can terminate the proceedings if there's a visa immediately available to the applicant, which there would have been as the assessment by USCIS had been completed.
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The Green Card can be put at risk (losing it and being deportable again) if these two idiots go ahead and start with their pot growing and operate it like they did TLL.
I'd think perhaps they learned a lesson but then again they were stupid enough to drive through Arizona in the first place.
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Never mind then, that is probably true.
Also, Greta appears to have been correct that ICE was rather out of line. If the officers themselves didn't fuck up, their policies are dumb if they can't actually check someone's status when they've identified themselves.
So I guess our bad on that one.
I'm not that disappointed, though, since it appears their TLL misbehavior was even worse than we thought.
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ICE was correct, though. Nina *was* out of status and a marriage certificate didn't change that. There wasn't some "you've been out of status for over a year but we'll let you stay while your application is determined" status USCIS could grant her - only an immigration court could do that.
Her green card can be revoked as a result of any serious criminal offence, which begs the question of whether it's at risk if she's found guilty of financial crimes in respect of TLL.
They're just lucky their house of cards didn't collapse during the application process or Greta wouldn't have been able to sponsor Nina.
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I highly doubt the orgre is capable of learning a lesson. And his child husband will follow his lead.
JULAY
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"During the Nov. 29 hearing none of the people who were fighting deportation were referred to by name," said Martela. "Instead, they referred to them only by their A number in a disgusting attempt to dehumanize everyone there, including my wife."
Gee, maybe the reason for that is that they knew if they used the name on Pajeet's passport, you would be chimping out about using his "deadname", and if they initiated and/or continued proceedings in a name other than the one on his passport, they wouldn't be legally binding upon appeal.
Seems like the court came up with a good system that Greta still managed to find fault with, surprise surprise.
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We only have Greta's word for it that ICE were seriously out of line though and Greta, like most troons, is a fully-paid-up Professional Victim with a fondness for absolutely insane hyperbole.
Transphobic. Totalitarian. Bigots. Those words used to mean something before these self-styled progressives got a hold of them. This really doesn't sound like a credible accusation so much as it does a string of thought-terminating cliches designed to stop anybody who's worried about being seen as a Good Ally from questioning Greta any further about what actually went down. What's missing from all this is how Greta behaved, and given that Greta routinely blunders around like an enraged bull in a boutique containing only the finest of china, it seems only reasonable to assume she was not exactly the innocent, timorous victim of cishet Trumpist brutality she's now trying to paint herself. Of course an LGBT publication trying to keep a bunch of shrieking outrage-merchants from turning on them isn't going to run the risk of offending someone important by actually doing a journalism.
Clearly transphobic. By stopping absolutely everyone who was going through the checkpoint. And only a totalitarian regime would ever detain an illegal alien who knew damn well that their papers were not in order. It doesn't arsing matter what Nina's gender marker was, Greta - the problem was the expired work permit and nothing taking its place.Seriously Greta? said:
Transphobic. Totalitarian. Bigots. Those words used to mean something before these self-styled progressives got a hold of them. This really doesn't sound like a credible accusation so much as it does a string of thought-terminating cliches designed to stop anybody who's worried about being seen as a Good Ally from questioning Greta any further about what actually went down. What's missing from all this is how Greta behaved, and given that Greta routinely blunders around like an enraged bull in a boutique containing only the finest of china, it seems only reasonable to assume she was not exactly the innocent, timorous victim of cishet Trumpist brutality she's now trying to paint herself. Of course an LGBT publication trying to keep a bunch of shrieking outrage-merchants from turning on them isn't going to run the risk of offending someone important by actually doing a journalism.
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If you get sent to prison and your green card is from a freshly minted marriage, can you "break out of jail" by divorcing your spouse, reverting to illegal status, and getting deported instead?
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The lawyer said it had been approved in October 2017.
Depends.
Embezzlement is a crime of moral turpitude, if that's why they were fired.
It might have no impact if there isn't actually a prosecution, though.
Also, Pajeet is deportable under this, from the same section quoted above.
Note that (ii) doesn't require a conviction of anything, but Pajeet constantly posts video of himself getting fucked up on drugs.
Not if you're already in prison. If so, you're going to serve your time and then be deported.
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He used the word loosely. I looked into this after the proceedings and situations like Nina's become chicken and egg. When deportation proceedings are in progress, USCIS can't approve an application until they're ended.
Unless the person was put into proceedings in error (which Nina wasn't), the immigration court can only terminate the proceedings if there's a legitimate status available to the immigrant immediately should deportation proceedings end (which there was by virtue of USCIS having completed the assessment in October and finding no barriers other than the deportation proceedings). So after the October interview it was essentially "approved in principle" pending the outcome of the deportation hearings.
We know from their own posts that Nina and Greta misunderstood the purpose of the November hearing and that it wasn't the hearing at which Nina's fate was going to be determined. The matter could have ended then had DHS agreed to withdraw their action, but they didn't (whether it's their policy not to or there was some other reason is something we don't know) so it was scheduled for February to be determined by the court.
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That's exactly what it is, and it's a common feature of all cults. For example, 12 step groups have such beloved chestnuts as "Let go and let God", "Take the cotton out of your ears and stuff it in your mouth", "Some brains need washing" and my personal favorite catch all when someone questions the logic or validity of a proposition,"Your best thinking got you here".
Scientology does the same shit, couched in their own in-group rhetoric, and so do Christian based cults, and so does every cult. The cult of the troon has adopted terms like "Transphobic., Totalitarian, Bigot" as a signal to the membership that any speech that comes from someone who has been labeled as such is automatically undeserving of consideration, and should be the object of scorn if not outright hatred and violence.
It really is remarkable how Greta's band of followers resemble, to an insane degree, the members of a religion-based cult. They may try to portray their slavish acceptance of the tranny orthodoxy as "being progressive", but I would argue that it really isn't that different than any other insular fringe group with wacky beliefs that society scorns for being absolutely fucking nuts. The current cultural zeitgeist may have shielded the Ogre from scrutiny for a while, but the blinders are off, a storm is coming, and I, for one, am going to laugh my ass off at every single minute of what comes next.
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While there hasn't been much against the Ogre and Pajeet on Twitter or Facebook, there has been a dramatic turnaround in responses towards Trans LifeLine; many are now calling it suspect, if not outright considering it a scam. I suspect that given time, people will gradually become less afraid to speak out, and eventually most of the gruesome twosome's original supporters will call them out now that they can without consequence.