Greta Gustava Martela / Kjel Anderson & Nina Chaubal / Niraj Chaubal - Stole $350k+ from Trans Lifeline, kill count of 2+ from negligence, Founders of Sisterwood/La Zorra.

[Jaimas]

As great as this is for all of us here I somehow feel Shrek and Pajeet will spin this as not their fault to the tranny faithful.

Everyone who called Greta the tranny Jim Jones is right, this reminds me of why Jones went to Guyana in the first place. Jones moved to Jonestown prematurely cause of several articles and an investigation into his misuse of Temple funds and various kidnapping and abuse allegations. Greta is now facing a very similar investigation, at least the funds part.
If Shrek starts leading troons on multiple hours long marches through the desert to escape the nonexistent government agents looking for them we'll know they're only a few weeks from spiking the Flavor Aid

You know.... I didn't want to be that guy, but there were several people twitter who unambiguously stated that Greta had, through her actions, put a known abuser into a position of power at a spot where they could continue to prey upon vulnerable people. Greta had her buddies hound these people off Twitter, but the claims are still out there if you go looking for 'em, and knowing what we do about Greta and Pajeet, how much do you want to bet that the pair were involved in far more disturbing shit than any of us actually knew about?

 

[NQ 952]

You know.... I didn't want to be that guy, but there were several people twitter who unambiguously stated that Greta had, through her actions, put a known abuser into a position of power at a spot where they could continue to prey upon vulnerable people. Greta had her buddies hound these people off Twitter, but the claims are still out there if you go looking for 'em, and knowing what we do about Greta and Pajeet, how much do you want to bet that the pair were involved in far more disturbing shit than any of us actually knew about?

You're talking about a psychopath that went to Nulls house to threaten him. Of course they're involved in shit way worse than grifting.

Ffs, instead of trying to setup programs to help their homeless trannies get jobs or housing they decided their best course of action was to grow and sell drugs. These are not stable and mentally well people.

They are targeting specifically weak/vulnerable people because they're predators. Who knows, they may already have a body count behind them of homeless/vagrants.

 

[repentance]

Where are all the "investigative journalist" cows when you need them?

I do hope those people who came here and dished dirt but who were afraid of providing evidence find their way back here now.

 

[bigshot]

In the business world, even in the charity world, you’ll never get the catharsis of a public execution of even their worst criminals.
Also unless TLL rebrands and completely restructures the organization is still as much a scam as before
I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole thing quietly shuts down in a year or two.

They wouldn't have gone to the trouble of getting accreditation if they planned to shut down. Getting that is what you need to go to the next level. You can't get grants or large donations without oversight. It may be that no one has an interest in taking the lead and the whole thing will slowly fade away. Or it could be that they get a real business minded executive director that they hire to run things under close scrutiny.

We'll see what Big Boss Bunny does.

 

[Dorsia.Reservation]

You know.... I didn't want to be that guy, but there were several people twitter who unambiguously stated that Greta had, through her actions, put a known abuser into a position of power at a spot where they could continue to prey upon vulnerable people. Greta had her buddies hound these people off Twitter, but the claims are still out there if you go looking for 'em, and knowing what we do about Greta and Pajeet, how much do you want to bet that the pair were involved in far more disturbing shit than any of us actually knew about?

That behavior is what initially led me here to the farms.

Kjel and Pajeet referring people who were hiding pasts of abuse and criminal charges beind the tranny card and with extremely questionable motives and behavior to Howard Brown.

A place that helps a lot of underage LGBT youth and vulnerable people.
People who have actually been abused, lost everything and kicked out of their homes for coming out.


People there started asking question about perhaps doing background checks for the safety of the community as a whole.
People that were LGBT themselves!

That "Greta" the founder of TLL, did NOT side with them says all you need to know.

 

[repentance]

http://archive.is/FZIYA

 

[Null]

The board is absolutely passing the buck. It was always their responsibility to be aware of what was happening at TLL and to ensure the organisation was legally compliant. While it's great to see Greta and Nina's reputations being tarnished - as they should be - the board members who allowed all of this to happen should be equally tarnished.

It literally only happened because the National Association of Suicidology finally, finally figured out that a fucking resource call line with a miserable 3% answer rate was calling itself a suicide prevention hotline and bucking literally every single one of their requirements for making that claim.

 

[repentance]

It literally only happened because the National Association of Suicidology finally, finally figured out that a fucking resource call line with a miserable 3% answer rate was calling itself a suicide prevention hotline and bucking literally every single one of their requirements for making that claim.

Applying for accreditation when you know you won't meet the standards is stupid because the fees are substantial and non-refundable. I'm guessing Greta's hand was forced on that one or that it was done in her extremely long absence without consulting her.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Applying for accreditation when you know you won't meet the standards is stupid because the fees are substantial and non-refundable. I'm guessing Greta's hand was forced on that one or that it was done in her extremely long absence without consulting her.

Did they actually apply or did their board and when?

I’m sure the fact that accreditation would have opened the gates to grant money was pretty enticing for the scammy duo but they had to realize the risk too. The board finally insisted upon it and the troon duo scrambled to create troon town as a cover. “We’re using TLL funds to create the ultimate safe space where suicidal trans people can come stay and heal!” Also troontown could have been created to start a non-profit shell game for accounting purposes - try to make the embezzlement for personal use look more legit.

I wonder if the timeline for troontown and when the sniffing around the accounting for accreditation match up?

I have zero doubt they used Pajeet’s immigration woes as a shield to forstall this announcement/firing too. This announcement coming so soon on the heels of the green card announcement can’t be an accident.

 

[AnOminous]

It literally only happened because the National Association of Suicidology finally, finally figured out that a fucking resource call line with a miserable 3% answer rate was calling itself a suicide prevention hotline and bucking literally every single one of their requirements for making that claim.

I don't think they were really coerced and regretfully let the ogre and the street shitter go. This Scout Wolfcave person may have even deliberately filed for accreditation knowing that it would very likely trigger scrutiny that would get rid of Shrek and Pajeet.

The announcement of their departure was as close as "fuck these two assholes" as such an announcement could ever be, and strongly implies there's also some kind of criminal investigation.

 

[repentance]

Did they actually apply or did their board and when?

I would guess the board did, to make them eligible for institutional grants.

Greta and Nina were pretty absent during 2017, so the other paid staff likely made improvements which brought the organisation up to some of the required standards. It's baffling why anyone thought they'd pass the governance standards, though.

I just found the ad for the new co-director's position. No wonder they're in a mess. The ad states that they have 16 plus staff.

Spoiler: long as fuck job ad

https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprof...6eb7e2304-co-director-trans-lifeline-oakland?

The co-director job is advertised at $55-65,000. If they have 16 plus staff now, their wages bill is much higher than even we suspected.

 

[Null]

The announcement of their departure was as close as "fuck these two assholes" as such an announcement could ever be, and strongly implies there's also some kind of criminal investigation.

I'm sure there is. They could eat shit for both inappropriate charity spending with the IRS and for unlawful employment of an illegal alien with ICE. And, really, if you're going to pick two federal bureaus to fuck with those are at the bottom of my list right next to the USSS.

Though I'd disagree with your first paragraph. I think they kind of knew shit was fucky but assumed most of it was KF 'trolling', but something happened that made them actually angry at Grena. Like, "you told us this was taken care of."

edit: oh and negligence, criminal and civil, might be on the table if someone has died.

 

[AnOminous]

edit: oh and negligence, criminal and civil, might be on the table if someone has died.

There's a general legal principle called assumption of responsibility that applies when you choose to attempt certain kinds of assistance of someone in distress, causing them to rely on it. The general principle is you have no obligation to assist anyone in distress, for instance someone drowning. You can ignore them, or even pop some popcorn, sit and watch them die. But if you choose to rescue them, you can't do it negligently. There are some Good Samaritan laws that remove liability like this, but probably not for a quasi-psychological thing like running a suicide hotline, and just ignoring calls or doing nothing to stop an imminent suicide is well outside that responsibility.

 

[repentance]

Though I'd disagree with your first paragraph. I think they kind of knew shit was fucky but assumed most of it was KF 'trolling', but something happened that made them actually angry at Grena. Like, "you told us this was taken care of."

When I was looking through their articles the other day, I noticed that while board members are appointed for three year terms, the officers are only appointed for a year at a time. We know that Greta and Nina held those positions when TLL started, but it's possible that during their absence last year other people stepped into those roles - and there's simply no way that anyone acting as treasurer or secretary could have failed to realise things were very, very wrong.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I would guess the board did, to make them eligible for institutional grants.

Greta and Nina were pretty absent during 2017, so the other paid staff likely made improvements which brought the organisation up to some of the required standards. It's baffling why anyone thought they'd pass the governance standards, though.

I just found the ad for the new co-director's position. No wonder they're in a mess. The ad states that they have 16 plus staff.

Spoiler: long as fuck job ad

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https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprof...6eb7e2304-co-director-trans-lifeline-oakland?

It’s very clear from that ad the new “co-director” is supposed to be someone who will get money and funding for the organization and that is the most important criteria for this position, all other stuff is window dressing. (The other co-director probably wants to run things and put the heavy lifting of funding into the new one.)

Expect anyone they do get to be a “name” in the trans community that they think can use their profile and make them a celebrity pet for donors and funding sources. They want a bankable “face” for TLL on social media. If not a face then someone trans with good connections to deep pockets in liberal SF.

I’d say this, plus the email, leds me to believe Shrek and Pajeet milked TLL to the brink. It’s why they pursued accreditation because they need more funding via grants.

This is why the TLL email has simmering anger in it, they are probably worried about regular paychecks come summer. They are hoping with accreditation and a new co-director they can try to get the money flowing again and salvage TLL, but we will see. They know saying anything more about Greta’s embezzlement could seriously hurt future donation/grant income so they are over a barrel with this.

The staff is definitely bloated but I think the number 16 is inflated to make TLL seem bigger and more substantial than what it really is. I’d guess at least half that staff gets token money. Probably just a handful get real salaries that they live on, but those are the people actually running the show and who were really fucked over by Shrek because their paycheck may stop flowing soon

 

[Twrx]

I'm sure there is. They could eat shit for both inappropriate charity spending with the IRS and for unlawful employment of an illegal alien with ICE. And, really, if you're going to pick two federal bureaus to fuck with those are at the bottom of my list right next to the USSS.

Though I'd disagree with your first paragraph. I think they kind of knew shit was fucky but assumed most of it was KF 'trolling', but something happened that made them actually angry at Grena. Like, "you told us this was taken care of."

edit: oh and negligence, criminal and civil, might be on the table if someone has died.

Didn't someone kill themselves after multiple calls to tll? And Phil and the orgre blamed us for it.

 

[repentance]

Didn't someone kill themselves after multiple calls to tll? And Phil and the orgre blamed us for it.

You're thinking of Elizabeth Waite. People openly posted that they'd had contact with her after she'd taken the pills and decided she was fine to sleep it off. It was really clear that a lot of lines had been blurred. And then Greta (and others) went on the attack against her widow.

There's an amusing part in the job ad where they say they're looking for someone who can represent TLL with dignity and grace - not qualities for which Greta was known.

 

[Goofy Logic]

They know saying anything more about Greta’s embezzlement could seriously hurt future donation/grant income so they are over a barrel with this.

There's another thing: They cannot directly accuse Greta of embezzlement in the statement unless they want Greta to sue them for libel/slander, which it could do to screw over the society or a member even if it is true.

Director's insurance could potentially cover a lawsuit, but that is a lot of stress, time and money that could financially cripple the member or society.

 

[repentance]

There's another thing: They cannot directly accuse Greta of embezzlement in the statement unless they want Greta to sue them for libel/slander, which it could do to screw over the society or a member even if it is true.

They can, however, publish the results of the "outside review" - and it may be critical to their survival that they do.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

There's another thing: They cannot directly accuse Greta of embezzlement in the statement unless they want Greta to sue them for libel/slander, which it could do to screw over the society or a member even if it is true.

Director's insurance could potentially cover a lawsuit, but that is a lot of stress, time and money that could financially cripple the member or society.

I doubt that’s the reason only because Greta doesn’t have the money to hire a lawyer to sue them for libel but if she did it would be pretty easy to show her fraud and drag out all her awful behavior and harm her public persona even more. Not to mention suing an organization is done to get financial compensation. She already milked TLL for all it was worth, going after it now for whatever they have left would just make her a villain in the trans community for destroying the resource she created all out of pure spite.

But even if Greta wasn’t a con artist she doesn’t have 10K plus to bring a weak libel case against TLL and TLL doesn’t have assets worth bringing a suit over anyway. Libel cases go after deep pockets or someone with deep pockets brings a libel case to preserve their reputation, not because they care about money.

The reason most organizations won’t point blank say embezzlement or fraud occurred is because it major hurts donation income and public support. It also could invite all sorts of outside scrutiny from regulatory bodies, govt agencies and journalists.

TLL May self report something down the road if they feel not doing so could cause major repercussions for any board members. But more likely they just hope after ousting Greta they can sweep it under the rug and move on, though the tone in the email indicates it might be bad enough that they may have to take further action.

IAlso, making an wrong-doing public will scare off any institutions they apply for grants at this year. Since it would appear the future of TLL depends on getting some major grants or funding they won’t do anything that could put that in jeopardy unless they have to.