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Bikini Armor Battle Damage - Hypocrites and Sexy Art
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I'mma take this card and run some of my favorite female characters through it. Bear in mind, most of mine are mages, so results will be skewed.
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy 6): I will be a thousand times more fair than you deserve and use her 3d model from Dissidia, specifically the "alternate" outfit that is closer to her original outfit. And in the interest of fairness, even though it's barely there, I'll give you "Cleavage". You also get high heels. And, because the first part of the game takes place in the cold northland of Narshe, I'll give you "almost naked for an adventure in a cold climate". However, without any actual metal on her, a lot of this just doesn't work. "But Angelo, she's a mage, she isn't supposed-" counterpoint, asshole, she is actually capable of equipping heavy armors, and her actual "class" is "Magic Knight".
You know what, since there isn't a bra shown, I guess you could also have no boob support and no underwear, though I'm damn sure there's something under her skirt because, well, notice how she's fucking hovering in the image? She can fly, she'd want to cover up. Oh yeah, no head protection and no pants either. So, if we're being super generous, 7 out of 25.
2B (Nier Automata): Well, Terra was a disappointment. Let's get a woman literally constructed to be both sexy and badass. No head protection, sure, but that's all she gets in the top row (9S's outfit is quite similar, seems like fancy long coats are in at YoRHa corp). Cleavage, no breast support, and high heels in the second row, but since she's an android wouldn't it all be internal for breast support...fuck it, never mind. Also we have thigh high boots and boob window, but I don't really see anything in the bottom two rows that really works-again, it's not quite armor, her own body's construction IS the armor. I can't even give the cold climate one, the game takes place in a ruined city or in high tech facilities, and plants are growing and birds are singing in the ruined city, so it must be somewhat warm. Huh. Amazing how a woman literally designed to be sexy as fuck only scores a fucking *6* out of 25, less then Terra did!
Oh shit, this card was designed for heavy armor wearers, wasn't it? Okay fuck it, let's get Lydia with her default armor from Skyrim.
Lydia: She's not gonna score high either, is she. Nothing in the top row works, not even random patches of skin uncovered, all that's uncovered is her upper arms, which admittedly may be a bit of a failing, but whatever. Second row, also nothing. We don't even get a boobplate! Seriously, the Steel Armor set is actually pretty well designed, I can't actually score Lydia anything so...0 out of 25? Of course, as the armors get higher up it gets weirder, but it gets weird for both genders and we never get to tick the "looks nothing like the male version". Outside of mods, like the sexy armor mod *I* have because I'm a disgusting pig and accept it.
So, as we can see, I have ruthlessly proven this bingo card is fucking pointless. This whole exercise was just fun for me, but feel free to score your own favorites!
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Women. Next thing they’ll want is the right to vote.
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I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the assumption that women see attractive women actors as "competition". I figure it's more modern political discourse "training" them to assume that if a women isn't dressed like a nun, it's "male gaze" and nothing else about her matters, she's walking tits. And therefore, women raise a fucking ruckus about it no matter how well said character is written.
Meanwhile, men don't give two shits and a popsicle about scantily clad dudes (beyond maybe concerns about the homosexuality ratio) because we haven't had fucking soyboys screeching at us all about how Conan only exists as eye candy.
Meanwhile, men don't give two shits and a popsicle about scantily clad dudes (beyond maybe concerns about the homosexuality ratio) because we haven't had fucking soyboys screeching at us all about how Conan only exists as eye candy.
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TFW Arnold is wearing less than Sandahl Bergman in Conan but women in fantasy need battle burqas now
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Yet they love slut walks and obese chicks doing naked photoshoots. Also they have this idea if a woman comes up with a sexy female character, she must have internalized mysogyny to even think of designing her that way (even if its out of her own freewill. As for Sailor Scouts, it's just shattered childhood when little girls become bitter women.
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That's... a point I hadn't considered. I just got done browsing the incel thread so admittedly I may have made some assumptions I didn't need to make.
Subconscious /=/ animalistic instinct and all that.
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Misogyny old meaning: hatred of women
Misogyny new meaning: "Stop liking what I don't like!"
SJWs seem to worship identity politics over God, but they're still a lot like old Puritans.
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About a year ago I was reading BABD and I came across a 100% serious post where someone argued that since videogame women were just code written by men they couldn't consent and dressing them in revealing clothes was rape. I wish I would have screencapped it because it was one of the three or so things that made me facepalm irl.
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They seem to have problems distinguishing fiction and reality. (:autism:?)
They also seem to forget that if one can imagine whole worlds, one can also imagine characters who like dressing skimpy. Or that the definition of rape isn't as broad as they think it is.
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1) I just mentioned that they think Mara is offensive to Buddhists. I'm not Buddhist but I don't think they would get mad over the personification of evil has a grotesque appearance.
2) You're expecting too much if you think they know anything about the series. (I even asked them and they replied that it's irrelevant)
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You know I won't lie when I say I get a bit annoyed when I see a character with a poorly drawn protruding chest plate or boob window, but you don't go and make a hate group about it! Seriously, how much time do these people have?
Are there some awful designed armor and clothes out there for women that don't make sense? Yeah. But I'd like to think the same extends to men too. I would also like to think that it's pointless to redesign a character when you can easily MAKE YOUR OWN. It's one thing to do it for fun, but it's another when you think your fifteen-year old self has more knowledge then someone studying character design for years. At that point, it's not really caring about the issue. It's about showing how big your ego is.
I think what these people are trying to get at is just really shitty character design. I notice that a lot of the examples they give have pretty mismatched designs that seem to not make sense in context.
But what happens when you add context? Well then, some of these character designs do make sense. The goal of design is to make not just an appealing character, but one that gets the point across. This can be changed and subverted depending on the context. Something that I don't think these people understand. Of course the seductress is going to be sexy. It's their best asset and it needs to get across the point. Of course the dancer is going to wear revealing clothing. Even in real life, many dancers wear pretty loose clothing so they can freely move around. It makes sense. Sure, these can be changed from time to time and it can be annoying if it's overdone. However, it's not wrong to make a character JUST because you want her to be sexy or JUST because you have some desire to fulfill. It's a power fantasy and people have the right to explore that. It doesn't mean they're necessarily misogynistic. It just means they want to have a bit of fun. I doubt little girls are getting mentally scarred by a demographic they aren't even targeted to.
Adding armor to a character such as Wonderwoman or Starfire doesn't make sense because it removes the context of their ENTIRE CHARACTERS and for people who do complain about female characters constantly being disregarded due to their looks this is the ultimate irony right here.
Are there some awful designed armor and clothes out there for women that don't make sense? Yeah. But I'd like to think the same extends to men too. I would also like to think that it's pointless to redesign a character when you can easily MAKE YOUR OWN. It's one thing to do it for fun, but it's another when you think your fifteen-year old self has more knowledge then someone studying character design for years. At that point, it's not really caring about the issue. It's about showing how big your ego is.
I think what these people are trying to get at is just really shitty character design. I notice that a lot of the examples they give have pretty mismatched designs that seem to not make sense in context.
But what happens when you add context? Well then, some of these character designs do make sense. The goal of design is to make not just an appealing character, but one that gets the point across. This can be changed and subverted depending on the context. Something that I don't think these people understand. Of course the seductress is going to be sexy. It's their best asset and it needs to get across the point. Of course the dancer is going to wear revealing clothing. Even in real life, many dancers wear pretty loose clothing so they can freely move around. It makes sense. Sure, these can be changed from time to time and it can be annoying if it's overdone. However, it's not wrong to make a character JUST because you want her to be sexy or JUST because you have some desire to fulfill. It's a power fantasy and people have the right to explore that. It doesn't mean they're necessarily misogynistic. It just means they want to have a bit of fun. I doubt little girls are getting mentally scarred by a demographic they aren't even targeted to.
Adding armor to a character such as Wonderwoman or Starfire doesn't make sense because it removes the context of their ENTIRE CHARACTERS and for people who do complain about female characters constantly being disregarded due to their looks this is the ultimate irony right here.
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One of the main problems with the "BABD approach" is that taken to its' natural conclusion, all subjects of fiction should be realistic and practical. Entertainment would kind of be boring if that were the case.
Which is why I think they just don't like the fact that men have erotic fantasies about women, just like women have erotic fantasies about men.
In other words, the real BABD motto seems to be "NO FUN ALLOWED (if you're a cis straight male)."
Which is why I think they just don't like the fact that men have erotic fantasies about women, just like women have erotic fantasies about men.
In other words, the real BABD motto seems to be "NO FUN ALLOWED (if you're a cis straight male)."
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Practical armor's practically is situational, and non-existent in a world of magic. It's also bland and ugly. You seen one set of plate you've seen them all. Skimpy armor, for men and women, allows more style, flare, and character to be brought out than some fucker in hulking plate. Also sexual dimorphism exist and developers like making male and females distinguishable from a distance, thus; Women get the smaller, form fitting armor, men get the bulky armor.
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The funny thing is, I've seen girls spread memes from womens websites about "problems with big boobs" list but if a character is showing off big boobs in a game or something, that they might be proud of their sexuality? It's a no-no.
Is it just because men they don't like might see them at some point and derive enjoyment from that? I dunno.
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That's something I've come across is how plain and bulky the approved armors are. Not to mention that it must make the woman look genderless. Classic Red Sonja's bikkini armor that they consider "disgusting" at least has a charm to it and Zelda's Hyrule warrior garb looks pretty and detailed. (Over the out of personality armor they liked better, though they thought the armor was a little too form fitting.)
In a way, this is an interesting look into the minds of these ladies.
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That would work except you can still get people bitching about how the outfits are impractical and immersion breaking in a game nevermind the fact that it is just a video game. Good example of their sperging was over Quiet. Much as they could complain how stupid the breathe through her skin thing is, its from a game where you have parasites going off based on language and zombie like soldiers that use said parasite (along with sharing the same series as another game where you play as cyborg ninja that fought a giant robot on foot with a katana).
Much as titty armor and sexy warriors can get old, it is funny some people or groups such as BBAD have spergings over designs, especially if they throw in the "practicality card" on a video game where its combat is more like old school games ala Final Fantasy or Might and Magic.
A quick search on the Farms for you in regards to Mara.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sjw-art-and-extremes.8410/page-32#post-848974
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sjw-art-and-extremes.8410/page-31#post-845408
Unless the people of BBAD had some nuance in seeing this shit beyond thinking "titties = male masturbation fantasy", they only end up coming off as the sort of people that'd put in a "No Fun Allowed" sign. Even if they can try to argue tits on Tiamat means sex, they'd fail to realize Tiamat was more or less in mythology the "mother of gods", with Strange Journey also establishing she's the "mother" of all the monsters you fight in that game.
Unless some game developer actually tried to use other styles of plate armor (or other armor styles), the practical armors can end up looking bland unless they either made armors similar to that of other fantasy games or tried making their armors look more than just the drab look (some IRL armors did have some nice ornamentation to them). Even then, these arguments can fall deaf if a fantasy game had a dragon kill any practical knight or skimpy warrior woman with ease.
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No. Fun. Allowed.
BABD needs to calm down and just play the game or read the book or watch the movie or whatever it is they're complaining about today. Sure, poking fun at silly costumes is a laugh, but there's no need to blow a gasket over it.
BABD needs to calm down and just play the game or read the book or watch the movie or whatever it is they're complaining about today. Sure, poking fun at silly costumes is a laugh, but there's no need to blow a gasket over it.
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Oh hey, this is the chick who lost her shit when an armor historian/BABD parody blog used that bingo card in a post deconstructing their bullshit.
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So basically they forgot the first rule of video games. They're not real. Quiet was dumb as shit and her story was contrived to fit the costume but she's still fake. So is whatever other fake shit they love. Rule of cool sells better than reality. Not hard to figure out.