KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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It's fucking with me a bit that the dude who showed Muculay Culkin the elevator has NK by the balls so much that they're seemingly cooperating with anytging the guy says.


Like if four years ago you told me "Donald Trump will kick off the chain of events that bring about the end of the Korean War", I'd ask what the fuck you were smoking.
 
It's fucking with me a bit that the dude who showed Muculay Culkin the elevator has NK by the balls so much that they're seemingly cooperating with anytging the guy says.


Like if four years ago you told me "Donald Trump will kick off the chain of events that bring about the end of the Korean War", I'd ask what the fuck you were smoking.
we live in the ultimate timeline. memes are coming alive and madness rules all (and is doing a better job than all of sanity and reason have been doing past few decades)

also because I still yearn for sweet salty goodness, here is r/politics reaction to this news

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/c...legedly_released_us_prisoners_ahead/?sort=top

finest comment i saw

Disappointing. This will only give more power to Trump, a traitor who betrayed the US. Kim should wait until the Mueller probe is finished and Trump is impeached so he can negotiate with someone like Bernie Sanders who can actually use logic and reason.
 
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Okay, I can safely say that I didn't see that one coming. Also, that "We just want to be a normal country" line up there is interesting, I've seen a lot of countries say that recently, right before they started taking on major reformation efforts. I think Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince said that exact, same line right before he started taking an axe to all of those extremist laws.
I remember back during the whole bird flu thing reading about how Vietnamese were angry their KFCs were only serving fish. It made me stop and think “Did we really lose that war? Or did the victory just take 40 years to take effect?”
 
we live in the ultimate timeline. memes are coming alive and madness rules all (and is doing a better job than all of sanity and reason have been doing past few decades)

also because I still yearn for sweet salty goodness, here is r/politics reaction to this news

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/c...legedly_released_us_prisoners_ahead/?sort=top

finest comment i saw

Disappointing. This will only give more power to Trump, a traitor who betrayed the US. Kim should wait until the Mueller probe is finished and Trump is impeached so he can negotiate with someone like Bernie Sanders who can actually use logic and reason.

Suggesting Bernie Sanders would assume the presidency in the unlikely event Trump is impeached screams "troll", but then again it's /r/politics....
 
Kimmy just knows McDonalds has the most Mickey Mouse toys, and we all know how much he loves Mickey. And hamburgers.

Call me crazy, but it's hard to buy a dictator dynasty that has been oppressing it's people or outright killing them for over 60 years to suddenly have a change of heart.

You have to remember that Un spent a good number of years living a secret life as a normal college student and was reportedly fairly chill.

This might have been a good opportunity for KJU to get out while he could still cruise to a cushy enough life afterwards.

He could be hailed as a hero.

Like if four years ago you told me "Donald Trump will kick off the chain of events that bring about the end of the Korean War", I'd ask what the fuck you were smoking.

He was full of AM radio conspiracy theories back then. He's more in touch with reality these days and is listening to real advisers. Our secdef Mattis has dedicated his every waking hour of his life to the study of war and foreign policy. He doesn't drink, he rarely dates, he says "killing is fun" and he "has a plan to kill everyone" that he meets.

“I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But, I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you screw with me, I’ll kill you all." --Mattis

But he's not a psycho. He's deeply sympathetic to the civilians and low ranking enlisted who are caught in the middle of US conflicts but these moments are rarely quoted in the media. I don't blame them though, he's much more entertaining in his more colorful moments.
 
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-korea-20180504-story.html


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Trump's eagerness for a deal with North Korea leaves future of U.S. troops in South Korea uncertain

President Trump said Friday that he hopes to eventually withdraw U.S. troops from South Korea but would not use a pullout as a bargaining chip when he meets with North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un seeking a deal to curb Pyongyang's nuclear weapons.

"At some point into the future, I would like to save the money" it costs to keep up to 32,000 American troops in South Korea, Trump told reporters on Air Force One. He added that a withdrawal will not be on the table at the first planned U.S.-North Korean summit after more than six decades of hostility.

U.S. and North Korean officials have agreed on a date and location for the nuclear summit, Trump said, promising to announce the details shortly. The White House said South Korean President Moon Jae-in will visit the White House on May 22, so the summit is unlikely before then.

Trump's vow not to immediately offer a U.S. withdrawal, a long-standing demand by Pyongyang, may be aimed at easing concerns among his military advisors and U.S. allies in the region that, in his eagerness for a deal, Trump would bargain away a cornerstone of U.S. security strategy in northeast Asia.

But Trump only added to the uncertainty Friday by repeating his previous vows to bring at least some U.S. troops home from South Korea because he considers the deployment a costly waste. His comments came after weeks of conflicting signals from administration officials, including reports that Trump's aides had to talk him out of ordering a major withdrawal from Korea.

The topic is so sensitive that John Bolton, Trump's national security advisor, denounced as "utter nonsense" a New York Times story Friday that said Trump had asked the Pentagon for withdrawal options.

Like Trump, Pentagon officials have given conflicting statements about a possible drawdown of U.S. troops from the region.

Defense Secretary James N. Mattis said last week that troop levels "was one of the issues we'll be discussing" with allies and with Pyongyang if North and South Korea sign a peace treaty to formally end the Korean War, which halted in 1953 with a tense cease-fire.

In a statement Friday, Lt. Col Christopher B. Logan, a Pentagon spokesman, said the mission in South Korea "remains the same and our force posture has not changed." He said the Defense Department is "developing and maintaining military options for the president, and reinforcing our ironclad security commitment with our allies. We all remain committed to complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."

The U.S. has stationed troops in South Korea since the Korean War. Together with major U.S. air and Navy bases in Japan, the Pentagon keeps a massive military presence in northeast Asia to support a defense treaty that requires the United States to come to South Korea's aid if it is attacked.

South Korean officials also have dismissed the idea that U.S. troops would be removed. A spokesman for President Moon told reporters Wednesday in Seoul that Moon considered U.S. troops "a matter of the South Korea-U.S. alliance" that "has nothing to do with signing a peace treaty" with Pyongyang.

Over the decades Washington has gradually shifted the cost of keeping troops onto the government in Seoul. South Korea now pays more than $890 million a year, about half the annual cost for the deployment, not including personnel costs that the Defense Department would have to pay no matter where the troops were located.

Trump has insisted repeatedly, and inaccurately, that Japan and other U.S. allies contribute little or nothing to the United States for their own defense.

Advocates for reducing the U.S. presence in South Korea argue that if the threat from North Korea diminishes, so would the need for keeping large number of U.S. troops on the peninsula.

"The U.S. posture on the peninsula can be adjusted according to the threat South Korea perceives from North Korea," said Abraham Denmark, a former senior Pentagon official responsible for Asia. "That's different than it being a bargaining chip."

Opponents argue that U.S. troops will be required for years to deter a conventional attack by North Korea even in the unlikely event it agrees to eliminate or reduce its nuclear and missile stockpiles after the Trump-Kim summit.

North Korea has more than 1.2 million troops, a massive if increasingly obsolete ground force that poses a direct threat to Seoul, only 35 miles from the demilitarized zone dividing north and south, if hostilities broke out.

Any reductions in the size of North Korea's armed forces are likely to occur over years — as would any withdrawals of U.S. troops, officials said.

Unlike his father and grandfather, who previously ruled North Korea, Kim has not made a withdrawal of U.S. troops from South Korea a priority and may not demand it at the summit, analysts say.

"I don't think he would object to having them leave, but I'm not sure he would push for that, either," said Gi-Wook Shin, director of Stanford University's Walter H. Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center.

The U.S. troops give Kim leverage with China, which sees North Korea as a buffer state between its border and a well-armed U.S. ally. A U.S. withdrawal could lessen North Korea's importance to Beijing, costing it economic aid and other support.

Pentagon officials view U.S. bases in Korea and Japan as key to the regional contest for influence with an increasingly assertive China. It's another reason they are likely to resist any push by Trump to withdraw unilaterally.

Despite Trump's complaints, the Pentagon shows every sign of wanting to stay indefinitely in South Korea.

Last year, U.S. commanders began moving troops from bases in downtown Seoul and near the Demilitarized Zone along the border with North Korea to Camp Humphreys, an expansive military base that houses more than 10,000 American soldiers about 40 miles south of Seoul.

Construction of the base cost an estimated $10.8 billion. The South Korean government paid nearly the entire tab.

Leaving Seoul is meant to reduce friction between U.S. troops and Koreans in the country's biggest city, while pulling back from the demilitarized zone is intended to get large number of U.S. troops out of range of North Korean artillery.

But even some South Korean officials expect demands will intensify for American soldiers to go home if North and South Korea sign a peace treaty and relations improve.

"It will be difficult to justify their continuing presence in South Korea," Chung-in Moon, a special advisor to President Moon, wrote in Foreign Affairs this week.

The uncertainty comes at a sensitive time. In March, U.S. and South Korean diplomats began negotiating an extension of the agreement specifying how much Seoul will pay toward the costs of keeping U.S. forces in South Korea.

U.S. officials are expected to press Seoul to hike its contributions in the next four-year agreement. But the deal has to be approved by the South Korean parliament, where many legislators may be reluctant to pay more when they are seeking warmer ties with Pyongyang.

Most of the money stays in South Korea, paying for local labor, rent, utilities and the construction of barracks and other military facilities.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?utm_term=.89c2cf74f749

Stay tuned! On next week's episode of The Apprentice: White House Edition...

As he has sought to build anticipation for his high-stakes summit with Kim Jong Un, President Trump has delighted in dropping tantalizing hints about where the meeting will take place — maybe the Korean demilitarized zone! — and what can be achieved — perhaps a peace treaty!

This week, the president, without direct prompting, casually raised another possibility, noting on Twitter that three Americans prisoners have been held in a North Korean labor camp. But, he suggested in a tweet, that could soon change: “Stay tuned!”

Stay tuned. Who knows? We’ll see what happens. The president often uses such phrases to hype dramatic possibilities, even if some of them might not pan out or might fall short of his grand pronouncements.

But in the case of the prisoners, Trump and some key surrogates have again shattered long-standing Washington protocols by speaking so openly about delicate negotiations on American detainees, potentially risking a last-minute setback or coming across as insensitive to the privacy of their families, according to former U.S. diplomatic and intelligence officials.

“I think it is pretty obvious to anyone who has ever spent five minutes negotiating with the North Koreans that you do not announce things that have not happened,” said Christopher Hill, a former State Department official who led the U.S. delegation in the six-party talks with Pyongyang during the George W. Bush administration.


“I understand they take pride in doing things differently,” Hill said of Trump’s team. “But this is serious business — people’s lives are at stake. It just takes a little bit of discipline.”

On Friday, as he departed Washington for a day trip to Dallas, Trump reiterated his cryptic prediction in impromptu remarks to reporters on the South Lawn of the White House. He said the administration had worked out a date and location for the Kim meeting — though he declined to reveal them — and added that “a lot of good things have already happened with respect to the hostages.”

“And I think you’re going to see very good things,” Trump said. “As I said yesterday, stay tuned.”

It wasn’t just Trump who was predicting success with the prisoners — two of whom were detained after Trump took office, contrary to his tweet asserting that the Obama administration had failed to win the release of all three.

On Thursday morning, Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor who has joined Trump’s legal team, said on Fox News, while defending Trump in the controversy surrounding adult film actress Stormy Daniels, that the Americans would be freed by the end of the day.

They were not.

Giuliani later confessed that he did not have inside information and had not even spoken to Trump about it, saying he was basing his prediction on “newspaper accounts.”


“I wasn’t made secretary of state, so I’m not conducting foreign policy,” Giuliani told BuzzFeed News. “We made that comment in the context of, ‘Will you stop interfering with this guy? He’s got other things to do.’ ”

The fate of the three Americans has been an important dynamic in the summit preparations. Trump agreed in March to meet Kim without declaring the release of Tony Kim, Kim Dong-chul and Kim Hak-song a prerequisite for the summit. North Korea has called the men “prisoners of war.”

Critics said Trump — who has railed about North Korea’s brutal treatment of another detainee, American college student Otto Warmbier — missed an opportunity to extract an early concession from the Kim regime. Warmbier died this past summer days after being released in a coma following 17 months in captivity after visiting Pyongyang on a tour. His parents, Fred and Cindy Warmbier, have sued North Korea in federal court, charging that the regime “brutally tortured and murdered” their son.

On Friday, Trump spoke with Warmbier’s family, delivering a warm message and offering emotional support ahead of his summit with Kim, according to sources familiar with the call.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who as CIA director made a secret trip last month to meet Kim in Pyongyang, is said to have raised the issue of the detainees with the North Korean leader, and administration officials have said talks to free them are continuing.

Foreign policy experts said it is likely the North will release them as a goodwill gesture. However, they cautioned that even if Trump has a guarantee of their release, their physical condition remains unknown, and speaking publicly about their fate could make the hostages a more important leverage point for Kim.

“The more public you make it and the more you say something is going to happen that has not happened, it creates leverage for no reason,” said Jung Pak, a former CIA official who now works as an Asia analyst for the Brookings Institution. “It’s not going to get us anything, and it draws criticism that you are politicizing the detainees.”

Joseph Yun, who as the State Department’s former point man on North Korea brought Warmbier home to Ohio, said Thursday on CNN that administration officials talking about the three Americans publicly could jeopardize efforts to free them.

But speaking at the National Rifle Association conference in Dallas on Friday, Trump accused the Obama administration of having a general “policy of silence” when it came to North Korea.

“Everybody said, ‘Ohh, don’t talk, please don’t talk,’ ” Trump said. “ ‘Don’t talk! You may make them and him angry! Don’t talk! If a horrible statement is made about the United States, don’t say anything. No comment.’ ”

He added dismissively: “Please, please, oh my God.”

In the weeks after Trump agreed to meet Kim, newspapers in Seoul were rife with unsourced reports that the three Americans would be released. The chatter picked up again Wednesday when the Financial Times quoted several South Korean advocates for hostages in the North that the Americans had been moved from labor camps to reeducation facilities in Pyongyang as preparation for their handover to the United States.

U.S. officials said they had no confirmation from Kim’s regime. But the reports ricocheted around social media and were cheered by conservative news sites and Trump supporters as a win for the president.

“BREAKING: North Korea has released all U.S. detainees at the request of President Trump,” Ryan Fournier, chairman of Students for Trump, wrote on Twitter to his 430,000 followers. The tweet, which as of Friday afternoon had garnered more than 37,000 retweets and 108,000 “likes,” contained no sourcing.

“When we talk about North Korea, in general, we tend to forget we’re talking about people, and these abductees have families who have been anxiously awaiting their return and are only relying on governments to do that,” said Pak, the former intelligence official. “It would be best to be circumspect in discussions like this. We’re talking about real lives.”
 
Yep. I trust this whole thing about as much as I trust gas station sushi.
Well I mean nobody trusts it. Kim's nuclear program has had major setbacks and he knows people will have a harder time ignoring advances in his redevelopment seeing how he acted when he had them. From North Korea's point of view ,Trump's behavior is unpredictable enough that it may not be an effective deterrent.

Kim is not having a good time and sanctions may lead to revolution or assassination anyhow.
He's been at the helm long enough that he can open up North Korea and when the people there learn whatever they do about the truth he can do some damage control on the past and present himself as the guy who finally got things right and put food on everyone's table. I mean he'll get fabulously wealthy when the north's markets open up, I'm sure he'd like to go to disneyland and other semi normal shit like that, or walk around his country and not see misery.

Doing this now makes a lot of sense and even if it's a ruse do you think there would be some eventual better outcome? Sure Trump will look horrible if this falls through but he's the fucking president and I'm happy to see him acting like the country is more important than his legacy. He maturing as a leader.
 
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/994587349718847489

"The highly anticipated meeting between Kim Jong Un and myself will take place in Singapore on June 12th. We will both try to make it a very special moment for World Peace!"

I have said this like every week for the past year and a half but we live in a really fucking hilarious timeline
 
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/994587349718847489

"The highly anticipated meeting between Kim Jong Un and myself will take place in Singapore on June 12th. We will both try to make it a very special moment for World Peace!"

I have said this like every week for the past year and a half but we live in a really fucking hilarious timeline
Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday! Be there at the Singapore Sportatorium when The Mad Man from Ameristan goes one-on-one with The Korean Killer, Kim in a no holds barred negotiation match! You'll pay for the whole seat, but you'll only need the edge!
 
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