Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Esgee]

Carl sulkily breaking up with the AltRight, like a teenager would.

Who actually started this feud? I think it was Sargon and other skeptics. Am I right?

He started it and stoked the fires every step of the way.

1) He mocked the Alt Right for being concerned with what's perhaps over-dramatically referred to as 'White Genocide.' Now he agrees with the premise behind the concern, but doesn't care. No admission of being wrong.

2) He dismissed the idea of race and racial differences, until he was proven wrong through Kraut's drama. Now he doesn't dispute it, but the Alt Right is still always wrong and he's not.

3) He interviewed the White Nationalist Jared Taylor, who amicably presented probably the most eloquent and milquetoast version of huWhite Nationalism, but still pretends it's all just a bunch of bloodthirsty book-burners.

3) In his review of Black Panther he called the Alt Right pro-Monarchy (!) as if it were a defining feature and not a fringe viewpoint that could fall into that umbrella category.


Now he's essentially saying that ethnically/racially homogeneous nation states are totalitarian, if I'm not mistaken - I stopped keeping track when I noticed how dishonest he was being, and how concerned he was purely with appearances. He needs to look right and that's that.

I was going to make a bigger list but his other stuff doesn't come to mind ATM. But he continuously antagonizes and snipes at the Alt Right, then paints himself as an innocent little victim. Saying stuff like, "I'm fine with White Genocide" will probably earn people cruelty towards them and their families. It's hardly "inexplicable."

 

[Hierophantis]

Yea, Sargon loves talking trash when his opponents cant do it back. No sympathy.

 

[Carcinogenesis]

Carl sulkily breaking up with the AltRight, like a teenager would.

Who actually started this feud? I think it was Sargon and other skeptics. Am I right?

Sargon is so intelligent, guys! He wrote a long, verbose diatribe on how he doesn't care about the Alt-Right. Truly a master at ignoring something!

 

[Hierophantis]

He made a comment about James Allsup being wrong about identity politics because identity politics is apparently "Inherently Totalitarian" because you know, the civil rights movement was such a huge totalitarian that it grew little black hitlers .
Anyways, alt-right fags gets triggered and starts autistically screeching "debate us! debate us!" on literally any and all livestreams they can get any prominent speakers on.
Sargon doesn't wanna do it because he knows hes a shitty debater and he'll get BTFO if he does despite the fact that debating race nationalism is the easier thing to debate against if you're smarter than a shit on log.
So he resorts to the Anita Sarkessian style withdrawl of "u goys were mean 2 me and my internet fwends and family" and the all time classic "i dont even care about you guys!" despite the fact that this whole situation arose from talking about in the first place. Irony .

By the way does it seem like the alt-right just has a hate boner for sargon of asshit? Even when he makes some one off comment about them they loose their collected shit over him.

well before even that, I mean, even prior to the Kraut thing Sargon would throw shade and then wonder why the altright dared to enter his comments section to berate him

 

[Zaryiu]

He started it and stoked the fires every step of the way.

1) He mocked the Alt Right for being concerned with what's perhaps over-dramatically referred to as 'White Genocide.' Now he agrees with the premise behind the concern, but doesn't care. No admission of being wrong.

2) He dismissed the idea of race and racial differences, until he was proven wrong through Kraut's drama. Now he doesn't dispute it, but the Alt Right is still always wrong and he's not.

3) He interviewed the White Nationalist Jared Taylor, who amicably presented probably the most eloquent and milquetoast version of huWhite Nationalism, but still pretends it's all just a bunch of bloodthirsty book-burners.

3) In his review of Black Panther he called the Alt Right pro-Monarchy (!) as if it were a defining feature and not a fringe viewpoint that could fall into that umbrella category.


Now he's essentially saying that ethnically/racially homogeneous nation states are totalitarian, if I'm not mistaken - I stopped keeping track when I noticed how dishonest he was being, and how concerned he was purely with appearances. He needs to look right and that's that.

I was going to make a bigger list but his other stuff doesn't come to mind ATM. But he continuously antagonizes and snipes at the Alt Right, then paints himself as an innocent little victim. Saying stuff like, "I'm fine with White Genocide" will probably earn people cruelty towards them and their families. It's hardly "inexplicable."

What an absolute and utter imbecile he is

 

[Superman93]

well before even that, I mean, even prior to the Kraut thing Sargon would throw shade and then wonder why the altright dared to enter his comments section to berate him

Oh for sure but the whole james allsup thing is the reason why this gay ass letter came into existence.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

Who actually started this feud? I think it was Sargon and other skeptics. Am I right?

Political slapfights have no beginning or end. For as long as long as there are angry people who believe one thing they will proceed to angrily go after other people who don't believe in that thing.

In the more recent Kraut thing he was largely the instigator, but before that point the alt-right had frequently showed up in Skeptic comments sections trying to gain converts but would up a few times chimping out when people said "lol fuck off retard"

 

[Hierophantis]

Political slapfights have no beginning or end. For as long as long as there are angry people who believe one thing they will proceed to angrily go after other people who don't believe in that thing.

In the more recent Kraut thing he was largely the instigator, but before that point the alt-right had frequently showed up in Skeptic comments sections trying to gain converts but would up a few times chimping out when people said "lol fuck off exceptional individual"

First interaction I can find, havent watched it because it's been people talking over each other and it is way too long. May elucidate but I think you're right (though people commenting isnt much of a provocation in my mind)

 

[Feline Darkmage]

May elucidate but I think you're right (though people commenting isnt much of a provocation in my mind)

Yeah that MW video from what I recall was actually mmostly cordial on both of their parts. And I agree comments aren't provocation.

But to elucidate the Kraut slapfight timeline it went
Kraut's server --> Kraut tells Sargon --> Sargon tells him privately he's acting shady --> Kraut's server is leaked, much to the german's dismay --> CRP and JF started ooking and eeking about how they had some secret info (((Sargon))) was behind Kraut like some puppetmaster --> they don't have shit --> this drags Carl into the current fray --> Carlgon reads CRPs KF thread --> more JF/CRP sperging, this time featuring their SJW friend Kristi Winters sucking them off in the comments --> some other shit --> Carlgon now says he's "ignoring" the alt-right, taking his ball and going home.

 

[Hierophantis]

Yeah that MW video from what I recall was actually mmostly cordial on both of their parts. And I agree comments aren't provocation.

But to elucidate the Kraut slapfight timeline it went
Kraut's server --> Kraut tells Sargon --> Sargon tells him privately he's acting shady --> Kraut's server is leaked, much to the german's dismay --> CRP and JF started ooking and eeking about how they had some secret info (((Sargon))) was behind Kraut like some puppetmaster --> they don't have shit --> this drags Carl into the current fray --> Carlgon reads CRPs KF thread --> more JF/CRP sperging, this time featuring their SJW friend Kristi Winters sucking them off in the comments --> some other shit --> Carlgon now says he's "ignoring" the alt-right, taking his ball and going home.

I think the CRP drama was a road bump that Carl 100% won. Though there was some more leaked audio in March where Kraut says he told Sargon about CRP way earlier BUT I dont trust it now because Kraut seems to be rewriting reality to make himself the victim. And Carl didnt act like he knew when he confronted Kraut

I dont have the time stamp either. And I should call it a night.

Unless antifa really start bashing liberalists I doubt more drama will occur here for a while. It's funny to look back, I forget why I stopped watching Sargon, and while it wasnt over any of this it also did not surprise me one bit. I guess I am just a salty fan ultimately.

 

[Lysol]

The dude was provoking the "alt-right" essentially since their inception. He was a friend to Milo and an outspoken advocate of free speech, right up until he realized what that entailed - much like Milo...

But the problem is that they agreed with many sticking points that the alt-right had that were shared with what would become the alt-lite, namely their stances on immigration, foreign relations, Islam, and miscegenation. I am not the archivist I ought to be but I'm almost certain the vids exist of them conversing on these topics.

To me what happened was the people like Milo, Gavin, Paul Joseph Watson, etc. is that they were in it for the fame and fortune, and never realized what exactly being "alt-right" meant, and have started this idiotic "alt-light" bullshit for what could adequately be described as modern conservatism.

Anyway the guy (as I pointed out a few pages ago) is some jackass trying to make "big-tent centrism" a thing, which won't work at all. Even with that considered, as someone pointed out there already exists a party with the same values that his "liberalist" party supposedly has.

Even if, hypothetically, he had the ability to not have anything he's ever done on the internet up until now and/or show up on an enemy campaign ad, there's still the fact that he's acting like he's moving in for a local seat and the start of a political party without knowing what he's doing, and with his fans being in diaspora. Even granting that he won't be smeared with his own words, there is no way that he could get enough votes to get his foot in the door for a supposed new political party.

He is almost certainly doing all of this for his own gain.

 

[Erich Raeder]

The alt-right dislike everyone else because they think they’re cucks. The skeptics dislike everyone else because they think of themselves as intellectuals with 140 IQs who can say no wrong. The alt-right/skeptics feud was destined to happen for this reason alone.

 

[Toucan]

" With a bizarre veneration of state power that could be remedied by reading authors that you pathologically rebuke"
Translation: Bro do you even read Locke?

 

[Erich Raeder]

1) He mocked the Alt Right for being concerned with what's perhaps over-dramatically referred to as 'White Genocide.' Now he agrees with the premise behind the concern, but doesn't care. No admission of being wrong.

THIS is something that actually pissed me off to no end. It’s not just him doing it, the narrative in mainstream media has basically shifted from “it’s a right-wing conspiracy theory that whites will be a minority” to “whites will be a minority, so what?” over the last 5 years or so. Expect this to happen with a lot of the other alt-right talking points like islamization, the slippery slope leading to the eventual acceptance of bestiality and pedophilia, and so on. There’s just no intellectual honesty with people like this. If someone came forward and said “YES, I would like to live in a nation full of brown people, child molesters and goat brothels” I would at least appreciate them not trying to deny it.

Although to be fair that’s a bit off-topic, because the real problem with Sargon is that his pride is in the way of just admitting that what he wants achieve can only work with white people.

 

[Pikimon]

First interaction I can find, havent watched it because it's been people talking over each other and it is way too long. May elucidate but I think you're right (though people commenting isnt much of a provocation in my mind)

Who the fuck has the time and energy to listen to a six and a half hour long rant with a much of nobodies. Sargon has this talent of talking about the same damn things over and over again for 5+ hours.

 

[Cocktimus prime]

I'd say the biggest reason the right and not just the "alt-right" has been shitting on sargon is because he made is career in free speech and confronting hard truths but now that the internet is his whole revenue stream he's slinked back to the safest most boiler plate bullshit just to keep the shekels rolling in

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Who the fuck has the time and energy to listen to a six and a half hour long rant with a much of nobodies. Sargon has this talent of talking about the same damn things over and over again for 5+ hours.

Gonna go out on a limb and say that the vast majority of the audience for this shit probably don't have much else going on throughout the day...

 

[Hierophantis]

Who the fuck has the time and energy to listen to a six and a half hour long rant with a much of nobodies. Sargon has this talent of talking about the same damn things over and over again for 5+ hours.

that's why I didnt watch it. All I can say is they were excited for Sargon to join them.

 

[Pikimon]

I'd say the biggest reason the right and not just the "alt-right" has been shitting on sargon is because he made is career in free speech and confronting hard truths but now that the internet is his whole revenue stream he's slinked back to the safest most boiler plate bullshit just to keep the shekels rolling in

What hard truths? His talking points are so vague that no one knows wtf Liberalism even is

 

[Cocktimus prime]

What hard truths? His talking points are so vague that no one knows wtf Liberalism even is

I never said he told them he just built his little empire of dirt on that principle