Battlefield General - Discuss the series here

[Burned Man]

And to which I say: this is an AAA FPS. Going in expecting realism or making concessions to reality in favor of player comfort/gameplay is a mistake. If you want your realistic white-on-white brother war, go play Project Reality or Red Orchestra or some shit. You're lucky that WWII games are being made period in this climate.

I have a feeling this will be a BF1 situation where the diverse character models are put up front and the actual campaign (presuming it has one, considering the market's continuing decline in quality) will all be whites. But then again, we are all screeching about the color of pixels in a video game. You culture warriors might think that's important, but people don't really care.

I think the best part of the Battlefield 1 campaign was the part where you play as the Harlem Hellfighters and I honestly wish that was the vast majority of the campaign instead of a prologue. I think what irks me about this is that people try to justify it by saying there were women that fought in the war, there were black people in the war so lets just have women and black people running around everywhere. I think I'd much rather have a game that uses those stories of those people that were in the war rather then use them to support just throwing them in wherever. You could even make it where some of the maps you play as specific battalions instead of the same generic German or American units. That way you can have the diversity and the historic accuracy. That or just make it an alternate history thing and go all out on it but don't even try to say its accurate in the slightest.

 

[Cubanodun]

Someone at Ubisoft dunked the fuck out of Karl Marx in the Syndicate description lore, though, so Ubisoft's definitely got some kind of internal war going on. They're not completely lost to it yet, but they're not anywhere near being out of the woods.

Ugggh i absolutely HATED to do his missions, i wanted a cheat code to kill him somehow for personal reasons, but his entry in the animus database made me laugh

Valve should just fuck with everyone releasing a new Day of Defeat

 

[ZehnBoat]

I think the best part of the Battlefield 1 campaign was the part where you play as the Harlem Hellfighters and I honestly wish that was the vast majority of the campaign instead of a prologue. I think what irks me about this is that people try to justify it by saying there were women that fought in the war, there were black people in the war so lets just have women and black people running around everywhere. I think I'd much rather have a game that uses those stories of those people that were in the war rather then use them to support just throwing them in wherever. You could even make it where some of the maps you play as specific battalions instead of the same generic German or American units. That way you can have the diversity and the historic accuracy. That or just make it an alternate history thing and go all out on it but don't even try to say its accurate in the slightest.

this is why i hate it when media tries to be "historical" and "woke"
there's a lot of women who did interesting things. a lot of blacks that did interesting things too.
make a game about them? nah, time for my OC to kick ass.. fuck celebrating actual minorities

 

[Vault Boy]

At least Call of Duty WWII had the decency to have the soldiers be able-bodied. Regardless if that prosthetic arm is realistic or not, amputees wouldn't be allowed to continue serving, let alone be allowed to fight on the frontlines as a sniper.

I'm not going to write the game off until I see some actual gameplay, but this is going to be a weird game...

 

[BILLY MAYS]

>being this mad over a shit vidya made by a shit company

 

[millais]

There's not many famous WW2 figures who went into combat with prosthetic limbs. Only one I can recall at present is Douglas Bader, the 22-kill RAF fighter ace, who lost both legs in a pre-war flying accident.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Why do people suddenly care so much about historical accuracy

Having a female soldier literally has no bearing on gameplay, it's just for aesthetics, there's no reason to complain

I'm pretty happy because there aren't any paid DLC, premium passes, or loot boxes this time around, but EA might find a way to fuck that all up like they did with Battlefront 2.

 

[Red Hood]

At least Call of Duty WWII had the decency to have the soldiers be able-bodied. Regardless if that prosthetic arm is realistic or not, amputees wouldn't be allowed to continue serving, let alone be allowed to fight on the frontlines as a sniper.

I'm not going to write the game off until I see some actual gameplay, but this is going to be a weird game...

The military actually had strict standards on able bodiedness too. It wasn't inclusive because they wanted soldiers to not die because Pvt Rickets McPalsy can't hump his Garand over a ten foot hill.

Not that these standards always worked. Audie Murphy was rejected from the Marines and Airborne for his manlet height, but of course that seemed to give him more to prove.

Which if you want to get technical makes Captain America look like some kind of pansy-ass quitter.

Why do people suddenly care so much about historical accuracy

Having a female soldier literally has no bearing on gameplay, it's just for aesthetics, there's no reason to complain

I'm pretty happy because there aren't any paid DLC, premium passes, or loot boxes this time around, but EA might find a way to fuck that all up like they did with Battlefront 2.

I think I care because WWII has plenty of interesting stories to tell without making up new ones that tick demographic boxes.

 

[c-no]

INB4 some white knights call people not liking the prosthetic arm lady misogynerds.

At least the black guy in BF1 had some historical precedent. The funny thing is they've pigeonholed themselves by making WWII exclusively about Americans fighting in Northern Europe from 1944-45. I've yet to see a campaign set in Poland during 1939 in a FPS, and North Africa is only very occasionally covered. Burma and the Pacific? Wtf even is that?

You can have black tankers and Asian American army infantry without being historically inaccurate. If you want to have main characters that aren't white guys why not make a game about the US 100th Infantry battalion? They're a hell of a lot more interesting than your dumb ass comic book Mary Sues and their story (among others) deserves to be told.

Doing that would be fun but then again you could have someone think that might not be interesting. Why play a black tanker or Asian American soldier in WWII when you could just copy everyone else, especially if the only main antagonist they use are Nazis. Speaking of antagonist, are there any WWII themed games that even make use of Italians? It always appears to just be Nazis with some use of the Japanese.

The trailer just seemed to be super scripted dramatization of multiplayer so its whatever. Battlefield's multiplayer is already about having one quarter of the soldiers running around with lmgs, another quarter nothing but snipers, and another quarter as medics that never stop to heal or revive because they are just there for the guns they have. So its already a mess and this doesn't effect that too much.

If the campaign is too much like that it will be disappointing. You can tell the stories of these soldiers in a way that doesn't seem pandering or inaccurate. One of the earlier COD WW2 games I remember playing as a kid managed to have a sequence where you play as a female Russian sniper in Stalingrad and a member of an African American tank unit that didn't feel forced or out of place. I just hope it doesn't squander the setting like Battlefield one did where only the prologue really felt like world war 1 and the rest of the campaign was mostly just sneaking around as a tank driver or pilot wiping out German bases with nothing but a pistol and a shovel.

Much as I can admit to finding Battlefield 1 enjoyable, the whole feeling of World War 1 really did stick with only the intro scene. The tank segment only gives one more of the feeling of the last WWII COD game that lets you play as a Russian while the Arabia segment made me feel like I was in not-Phantom Pain on horseback while using stealth.

this is why i hate it when media tries to be "historical" and "woke"
there's a lot of women who did interesting things. a lot of blacks that did interesting things too.
make a game about them? nah, time for my OC to kick ass.. fuck celebrating actual minorities

Considering shit that's interesting: A WWII game could of made use of the Night Witches, a Soviet bomber regiment consisting of women. One could also consider the Harlem Hellfighters for WWI and WII. But those wouldn't get much compared to making a donut steel.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Why do people suddenly care so much about historical accuracy

Having a female soldier literally has no bearing on gameplay, it's just for aesthetics, there's no reason to complain

I'm pretty happy because there aren't any paid DLC, premium passes, or loot boxes this time around, but EA might find a way to fuck that all up like they did with Battlefront 2.

People kind of want realism in their period pieces as not to break immersion. I mean yeah if this was a fictional war in another dimension, I don't care if the protag is a god damn octopus wielding eight equally improbable weapons... (Actually that sounds like a fucking amazing premise)

A woman on the battlefield is a radical concept in modern day, one many decried as "Boobs on the Ground!" when it was decided. There's no way in fuck the military even in modern day is going to let a disabled woman sign up. With all this in mind, there's not a chance in hell a disabled woman is going to be on the frontlines five years before the 30th Anniversary of letting an entire gender of people able to vote.

Kind of like how when I play Wolfenstein I expect my enemies to be Nazis, and even if I'm in an alternate timeline where the Nazis won. I'd still want the Nazis to be portrayed as being racist as shit, having unwarranted self-importance based on their white skin, being buddy-buddy with people like the Klan as both are obsessed with racial purity. Otherwise they wouldn't be Nazis.

(Seriously, why did people shit themselves over Wolfenstein 2 having... gasp.. Nazis as the bad guy? In a game series about... killing Nazis? Holy shit, what a radical concept, this liberal communist anti-Trump SJW tranny homo bullshit has gone on long enough!)

 

[Red Hood]

INB4 some white knights call people not liking the prosthetic arm lady misogynerds.


Doing that would be fun but then again you could have someone think that might not be interesting. Why play a black tanker or Asian American soldier in WWII when you could just copy everyone else, especially if the only main antagonist they use are Nazis. Speaking of antagonist, are there any WWII themed games that even make use of Italians? It always appears to just be Nazis with some use of the Japanese.


Much as I can admit to finding Battlefield 1 enjoyable, the whole feeling of World War 1 really did stick with only the intro scene. The tank segment only gives one more of the feeling of the last WWII COD game that lets you play as a Russian while the Arabia segment made me feel like I was in not-Phantom Pain on horseback while using stealth.

I know Medal of Honor: Airborne features Blackshirts in the very first mission on Sicily and COD Big Red One featured Vichy French. Sniper Elite 3 (and maybe 4) features Italians.

 

[Burned Man]

Why do people suddenly care so much about historical accuracy

Having a female soldier literally has no bearing on gameplay, it's just for aesthetics, there's no reason to complain

I'm pretty happy because there aren't any paid DLC, premium passes, or loot boxes this time around, but EA might find a way to fuck that all up like they did with Battlefront 2.

I think the women thing is just the tip of the ice burg for a lot of people. The trailer alone has a lot of things that run counter to what we think of when we think of world war 2. The more steps you take away from the authenticity of the setting the less reason to be using it I feel. I've seen people with issues other then the woman including the prosthetic, blue face paint, and the katana on the British man's back. Watching the trailer makes it seem like a bad ass fictional war where it wouldn't be out of place to see some Huey's flying around blaring 60's music as a mech goes by.

Edit: I think my favorite part of the trailer is when the one guy runs up the stairs right by the guy asking for medical help and just apologizes as he continues to ignore him. At least that's accurate to the game play of Battlefield.

 

[Zaragoza]

While you guys complain about DICE fitting the diversity quota.

I'm more annoyed that they're not gonna focus on different fronts like the Second Sino Japanese War, Winter War, Italian front, Burma Campaign and other shit.

 

[Citizen Calamity]

I'm frankly okay with playable women in a WWII game. My main issue with the trailer is that it was just miasma gunshots and explosions and I don't have any clue what the hell is going or what the premise of the game is beyond it being WWII through the lens of Tarantino. Maybe there was some sort of meta of the characters recognizing they were in a game with some of dialogue and how over the top it was but I couldn't tell over the "LOOK AT THIS FUCKING FROSTBITE ENGINE" advertisement.

. Watching the trailer makes it seem like a bad ass fictional war where it wouldn't be out of place to see some Huey's flying around blaring 60's music as a mech goes by.

Not going to lie, it'd probably a real cool, if not extremely unstable, premise if they just mashed all the Battlefields together into some Battlefield monstrosity of a game.

 

[The Iconoclast]

People kind of want realism in their period pieces as not to break immersion.

“Realism”
“Immersion”

 

[Zaragoza]

“Realism”
“Immersion”

 

[Slap47]

"Lol, its alt-history so its ok"

Good luck convincing your audience.

You do realize that the historical Waffen-SS was filled to the brim with non-Germans, right? 5th SS Panzer Division "Wiking" was composed almost entirely of (admittedly white) non-Germans. And at least 4,500 Indians formed their own SS regiment. Women, too, were non-combat auxiliaries. Racial policy was often subordinate to the realities of war.

It goes to show you that the picture of WWII you've been taught is wrong. Not at all playing this cookie-cutter shit, but I just wanted to point that out.

The Nazis placed women in the traditional family roles. Women were nurses and worked behind the scenes as administrators and clerks. Even as the Reich collapsed around them, the Nazis resisted any effort to arm women. They armed 10 year old boys but never adult women. At most, a woman would man an AA gun in a city well behind the frontlines.

Heck, it took until 1943 for them to even consider putting forward an effort to get women into the factories and throughout nearly the entirety of the war less women worked in the factories than in peacetime.

The only powers to arm women to fight as soldiers were the USSR and Communist & Nationalist Chinese.

DICE, where are the black German soldiers?

The previous battlefield and latest CoD both allowed you to play as black woman Wehrmacht soldier.

That doesnt change that ww2 is a war that had been fought predominantly by white men.
Putting character like that in the forefront is obvious pandering, just like it was the black guy on the cover, at the time of bf1.

It's disingenuos and dishonest.

It would actually be pretty great if they made a game about segregated units in the US army or even a game about the Free French army. A Gurkha campaign would probably be pretty fun too.

The Medal of Honor games used to tackle the diversity of ww2 in a non-retarded. Shame they went to shit.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

The UI is so cluttered, how the fuck you make the difference between friendly and foe there?

I've seen female soldiers on a war zone, if they behaved like that we could've faced some troubles while advancing, but reality is different and female casualties on combat were a rare occurrence, in most cases we would find them siting on some corner, crying with fully loaded weapons.

 

[SiccDicc]

I'm pretty happy because there aren't any paid DLC, premium passes, or loot boxes this time around, but EA might find a way to fuck that all up like they did with Battlefront 2.

Last I heard is they're trading premium passes for lootboxes. Whether or not you need it to get powerful... I'm not holding my breath. It's EA.

The stream in short:
-Trevor Noah and his constant awkward jokes
-The guy in the middle he was interviewing had huge nostrils
-Everyone generally pissed off that they had to wait until the end of the stream to look at something that wasn't "concept artwork"
-NO PREMIUM PASS YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
-Money from premium pass remodelled into cosmetic loot boxes, do a sneaky dodge around that one by asking if it's "pay-to-win" and not "does it have micro transactions"
-Campaign co-op is back in
-Campaign is orientated around these lone soldiers, exactly what Black Ops 4 is doing with their campaign
-Talking about blops, those lone soldiers look remarkably like the specialist classes in blops
-Woman with a robotic arm no-scopes a nazi while someone says 'hello old friend' voiced by a male. A minute later and cyborg woman says the same thing.
-Style is more like fortnite than bf1
-Stream spams "RIP CoD" by 12 year olds too edgy to scream about your mom over a CoD game.

 

[Zaragoza]

Did anyone else get reminded of that obviously fake trailer of Brothers in Arms Hells Highway? The amount of scripted shit in this trailer totally reminded me of that. The graphics being too pretty, good looking animation and amount of detail, when we all know this game will not look like that.