IP2 Ice Poseidon / Paul Denino - Insane Runescape streamer now doing Twitch IRL, always gets trolled/swatted, surrounded by thotties and junkies

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Waveysauce said:
I dont think he will do time. its not like he did the prank himself. it was a tts where a fan did it. he didnt know that was coming at that exact time he didnt put it in himself.

I thought if you are found not guilty you get least some of it back but may be wrong
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He sat there and watched it happen, and didn't do anything at all to stop it, then he laughed at the results while people were fleeing in terror.

I'm pretty sure he won't want to take this bullshit in front of a jury and will end up pleading to something.
 
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like i said before, they'll watch the stream in court. and im sure all of it. if they can establish intent, which means if they watch the part where he asks 'hey whats the biggest class running right now', as well as the parts where he went into other classes..well, it kinda all hinges on that. if he's got any sense in his head, he'll pray a jury trial and allow a group of 12 to decide. if he goes that route and it found guilty, his punishment will likely be the full 10 i'd think. its all very nebulous circumstances and maybe wont set an actual precedent for this sort of thing, but theres a lot to it. see the youtube vid i posted toward the end of the last page for more on this i guess.
 
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like i said before, they'll watch the stream in court. and im sure all of it. if they can establish intent, which means if they watch the part where he asks 'hey whats the biggest class running right now', as well as the parts where he went into other classes..well, it kinda all hinges on that. if he's got any sense in his head, he'll pray a jury trial and allow a group of 12 to decide. if he goes that route and it found guilty, his punishment will likely be the full 10 i'd think. its all very nebulous circumstances and maybe wont set an actual precedent for this sort of thing, but theres a lot to it. see the youtube vid i posted toward the end of the last page for more on this i guess.
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Didn't he call himself shit like ISIS Poseidon and Arab Andy? He more or less encouraged this shit, sought out the biggest groups of people to terrorize, and then encouraged people to send in exactly the kind of shit that got him arrested.

His behavior was despicable. He knew he'd get this kind of TTS and he openly encouraged it.
 
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yeah, he lowkey was tryin to build a name off this kind of stuff, he probably figured that in not running from the scene that the cops would find him there, say no harm no foul and let him go, all the while tts blazing while shittalking the cops. thing is, even if he would have ran and successfully escaped, it would have likely been worse on him and no doubt they woulda eventually found him. completely baffling.
 
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shawnphase said:
yeah, he lowkey was tryin to build a name off this kind of stuff, he probably figured that in not running from the scene that the cops would find him there, say no harm no foul and let him go, all the while tts blazing while shittalking the cops. thing is, even if he would have ran and successfully escaped, it would have likely been worse on him and no doubt they woulda eventually found him. completely baffling.
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I don't see how a jury is going to see his channel named "Isis Poseidon" and take his claims that he didn't want this to happen and laugh him out of court (and into a prison cell)
 
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its all about how he pleads, you know? if he pleads not guilty and prays a jury trial, you can expect a week-long trial with the jury having to watch the stream again and again. his entire onus in praying a jury trial would be in the hopes that through a set of 12 of his peers, that 6 (or more) would find him not guilty. if it were a deadlocked thing, who the hell knows how it'd go. as far as proving his 'innocence', the jury trial is gonna be the better option than to go with than the judge. the judge has already shown they aint gonna give him any concessions, so his district atty or lawyer is probably leanin on him to go jury trial, at least i'd think. honestly it depends on how far he wants to take it, how much money his parents have to get a high end entertainment lawyer, whether people who were affected decide to sue him for emotional distress, theres a whole fuckload of factors here. there is some potential in setting a precedent for case law here, simply because nobody has been foolish enough to do this kinda stuff under these particular circumstances. who knows? the lawyer could claim his freedom to do what he did and being not guilty could hinge on em citing amendment 1. it is by no means a good defense imo, and ianal of course, but thats how i seein it go.
 
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its all about how he pleads, you know? if he pleads not guilty and prays a jury trial, you can expect a week-long trial with the jury having to watch the stream again and again. his entire onus in praying a jury trial would be in the hopes that through a set of 12 of his peers, that 6 (or more) would find him not guilty. if it were a deadlocked thing, who the hell knows how it'd go. as far as proving his 'innocence', the jury trial is gonna be the better option than to go with than the judge. the judge has already shown they aint gonna give him any concessions, so his district atty or lawyer is probably leanin on him to go jury trial, at least i'd think. honestly it depends on how far he wants to take it, how much money his parents have to get a high end entertainment lawyer, whether people who were affected decide to sue him for emotional distress, theres a whole fuckload of factors here. there is some potential in setting a precedent for case law here, simply because nobody has been foolish enough to do this kinda stuff under these particular circumstances. who knows? the lawyer could claim his freedom to do what he did and being not guilty could hinge on em citing amendment 1. it is by no means a good defense imo, and ianal of course, but thats how i seein it go.
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Putting myself in the mental space of a potential juror to this case, I'd sentence this asshole for treason or just whatever and have him sentenced to death plus getting ass fucked every single day until he was executed.
 
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i think most might feel that way, yeah. but you've still got the numbers on your side in a jury trial. all you need is half of them to disagree with the other half to get a hung jury/mistrial. a lot of that happens in deliberation, and you are all but using your own case to subconsciously make jurors question their own thoughts, or jurors get passive aggressive with one another over the duration of the case after the jury's selected, or get tired of it and just want to go home, or even the opposite, want to drag it out and potentially hang the jury. statistically speaking, its a lot better of a shot than to run the risk with a judge who is tired of your shit from jump, you know?
 
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i think most might feel that way, yeah. but you've still got the numbers on your side in a jury trial. all you need is half of them to disagree with the other half to get a hung jury/mistrial.
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Actually, all you need is one, in most states. Usually, jury verdicts of guilty in a criminal case need to be unanimous, with a couple rare exceptions.
 
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oh yeah, criminal case! now that im lookin at it, too bad he's not in oregon, that and louisiana are the only 2 states that dont require unanimous verdict (10-2 required, except in capital crimes, OR requires 11 where LA requires all 12). this is an interesting tidbit too:

One proposal for dealing with the difficulties associated with hung juries has been to introduce supermajority verdicts to allow juries to convict defendants without unanimous agreements amongst the jurors. Hence, a 12-member jury that would otherwise be deadlocked at 11 for conviction and 1 against, would be recorded as a guilty verdict. The rationale for majority verdicts usually includes arguments involving so-called 'rogue jurors' who unreasonably impede the course of justice. Opponents of majority verdicts argue that it undermines public confidence in criminal justice systems and results in a higher number of individuals convicted of crimes they did not commit.
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Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (a common name for Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is a landmark piece of Internet legislation in the United States, codified at 47 U.S.C. § 230. Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by third-party users:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by this provision, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:

The defendant must be a "provider or user" of an "interactive computer service."

The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the "publisher or speaker" of the harmful information at issue.
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It is a somewhat legally interesting situation, so I could see it going further up the legal hierarchy.

You can't really say ISIS andy had a direct intent for what happened since he can't know what his audience might send through his phone.

Does american law have some version of "Indifferance Intent"? I.e the defendant did not intend for this exact event to take place, but it's deemed he would have acted like he did even had he knew what the outcome would be.
 
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they'll attempt to establish intent based upon the merit of the stream/event, as well as the nature and character of his streaming as a whole. his lawyer will try and have the stream barred from evidence, which the judge will certainly overrule. then, in court, they'll watch the stream and establish intent (likely more than once), based on him going into multiple classrooms and being disruptive, as well as asking a dude in the hall 'whats the biggest class running right now?'. they will go through it with a fine tooth comb. any argument he may raise will be shaky; if they need evidence to prove intent, they've got it in spades and from all angles. after a verdict is reached, likely his parents/fam, and close friends will be trotted into the courtroom to speak on his behalf and say how he's a good, but misguided kid, this that and the other, and in an attempt to get the judge to be lenient in their sentencing. at least thats how i see it goin. imo his only hope is to plead not guilty by way of mental defect, and if he cant cough up proof/documentation of mental illness, then he's really got no hope there either.
 
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I'm sure lawyers are lining up to defend this shit for free just for the exposure and to be the #1 go-to in new IRL streaming cases, of which many are to come.

I only really follow the RV for Bjorn. A 40-something old man dressed and acting like a tourist, speaking in broken english while getting drunk bi-daily. With all the fucked up shit going on, he's a breath of reality to ground the whole thing. He constantly walks around with a camera taking pics of everyone, well aware it's some fucked up American adventure before he returns to a proper, safe country to continue a normal life.

He's also a flaming racist and called Dankquan a nig several times.
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How many Ice Poseidons would it take to equal the weight of One Maxxed out Boogie?

600/60 = about ten I think.
 
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