Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Maybe the people involved with the franchise are taking this opportunity, during the harrowing failure of Solo, to reevaluate things. Maybe they'll look inward and ask how they lost touch with the general public, why TLJ and Solo have lost ground so soon after their releases. Like here's Chuck Wendig, Lucasfilm mainstay and author of Star Wars tie-ins.

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Toxic masculinity and "um ACKSHUALLY it is a box office success!" I see the shills sarcastically saying "Yeah, Solo is a failure because it made 'only' 100 million opening weekend, hurr hurr".

I could see him blaming Trump and racists if Disney sells back Lucasfilm to Lucas or spin it off and so that they stop fucking over Star Wars.

Another quote from your link:

"Soylo's actually doing worse than Justice League, which was adjudged by everyone to be an epic failure that put the entire future of the DCEU in doubt."

Somebody better put moviebob on suicide watch.

I read the article and Kennedy seriously needs to go.
 
I never really understood the Vietnam War comparisons either. The Vietcong had guns, vehicles, and supply lines that kept them going for years. While the US still had a technological advantage, the Vietcong were still within the ballpark.

By contrast, the Ewoks had some dumbass spears, bows & arrows, and rocks against the Emperor's "best legion of troops" that had armor, laser weapons, and heavily armed walkers. The Ewoks should've been utterly annihilated, and the fact that they won in spite of being so hilariously outclassed had forever painted the stormtroopers as complete jokes.

Really, the Vietnam War and the Battle of Endor are night and day.
So what you're saying is that it was the battle of Little Bighorn?
 
TFA was to me a more slap in the face than TLJ because the seeds were planted for them to fuck up the lore and achievements of the original trilogy.

I felt Disney’s lack of vision of Star Wars started with TFA.

Me too. I felt instantly disillusioned when I realised the whole movie was a blatant copy & paste job of A New Hope, but with far less interesting characters.
 
TFA was to me a more slap in the face than TLJ because the seeds were planted for them to fuck up the lore and achievements of the original trilogy.

I felt Disney’s lack of vision of Star Wars started with TFA.
I think TFA could have been quite serviceable if they had chosen to not just shit on established characters and lore, even if it had ripped off A New Hope. RLM made a pretty good point that TFA was more about establishing what SW is and how it should feel (in contrast to the prequels) and in that regard, it was ok, it's just that by rolling back all characters like this and retreading ground, it felt like neither it nor the originals achieved anything.
The most surprising thing is, that this is the trap that a lot of sequels fall into.
Ghostbusters 2, Sister Act 2, MiB 2, the list goes on...

Why hack writers still haven't caught on that "just make the sequel exactly like the original!" is the kiss of death to any sequel I'll never understand.

I know, at this point, it's moot, but if I had to come up with a plot for the first movie of a sequel trilogy, I would do the following:

In the wake of Palpatine taking supreme control of the entire republican military and government, I would establish that the new Republic made their own military forces more like a joint fleet of smaller factions as well as making the Republic a lot more like a federal state - to prevent a single person from taking over in one fell swoop. Key is "show, don't tell". Maybe a short scene with Leia negotiating at a table with several fleet commanders talking about how to deal with the threat of the First Order. The First Order should be established too. I'd suggest that the First Order should be based around a well-defended base that originally acted as an imperial foothold to more distant regions that they never quite managed (or bothered) to conquer propperly. Something with a big shipyard that acted as a rallying point for retreating imperial ships after losing their Emperor.

With that out of the way, let the movie play out pretty much the way it did from the start, but replace Starkiller Base, since it's completely ridiculous that the First Order can suddenly build such a massive super-weapon in such a short amount of time. It took the fucking Empire longer to plan and built the first Death Star. Also, it's too similar to ANH.

Instead, I would suggest a spacestation that floats above a gas giant that is protected by a sizeable fleet of Star Destroyers. The New Republic doesn't really know what's going on there, they assume the First Order is refurbishing Star Destroyers, since clearly some sort of construction is going on.
The NR decides to perform a preemptive strike and sends their joint fleet to engage the FO, leaving only token fleets at the various home planets of the NR (against Leia's wishes).
While they get into a fight they realize that the Star Destroyers behave a bit weird, the shields seem to be weaker, but they appear to be more maneuverable and quicker than usual. Also, there is no trace of any flagship or more modern Star Destroyers that the FO has built.
So, it turns out that the Star Destroyers haven't been refurbished, they had been stripped of their main reactors and their hyperdrives (making them lighter and thus more nimble but also reliant on emergency power supply) which have been put inside the space station, which begins to funnel up material from the gas giant ion order to power a super weapon.
The whole thing was a trap and the superweapon is not a giant space pew-pew laser, it's actually a weapon aimed to fuck up Hyperspace, which makes the NR ship's hyperdrives overload, preventing them from jumping for quite some time.

Meanwhile the NR fleet is crippled, the actual FO main fleet splits up and jumps to the homeworlds of several powerful groups within the NR fleet, essentially forcing them to tell their fleet to stand down (or have their homeworld get fucked up by orbital bombardement). Thus, the NR fleet is reduced dramatically in size and capability.

The protagonists should also have some sort of victory, so maybe while not managing to shut down the FO, maybe they managed to sabotage their plans enough so the FO doesn't manage to take over the NR completely. By not being able to subdue the entire leadership of the NR, the FO would be forced to keep parts of their fleet at the various homeworlds, binding a lot of their military resources in different places, spreading them out.
The NR then pulls a "Vichy" and admits defeat, forcing Leia and some of the people still loyal to her to flee - making her group a... y'know... Resistance.

TLJ could then start the way it did with a small fleet of Resistance ships on the run from the FO main fleet.

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Also rewrite TLJ so it actually has a fucking point.
 
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I'm hearing Wo Yu Fat deleted her Instagram because Star Wars fans kept harassing her.
"Fans"? Be brave enough to call ComicArtistPro Secrets by name and not let him keep getting away with it. We all know it was you, Ethan Van Sciver!

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"Fans"? Be brave enough to call ComicArtistPro Secrets by name and not let him keep getting away with it. We all know it was you, Ethan Van Sciver!

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Eh I don't know, I just heard she deleted and fans got the blame.
 
Maybe the people involved with the franchise are taking this opportunity, during the harrowing failure of Solo, to reevaluate things. Maybe they'll look inward and ask how they lost touch with the general public, why TLJ and Solo have lost ground so soon after their releases. Like here's Chuck Wendig, Lucasfilm mainstay and author of Star Wars tie-ins.

EblsLHs.jpg


Toxic masculinity and "um ACKSHUALLY it is a box office success!" I see the shills sarcastically saying "Yeah, Solo is a failure because it made 'only' 100 million opening weekend, hurr hurr".

A sure way to destroy a franchise is by insulting the people who care about it. The real test will be Episode 9. While everyone is fantasizing that Kathleen Kennedy is fired, I feel like its going to be Episode 9 that makes or breaks her. I still think Star Wars fans are too fucking stupid to not see it. You can excuse Solo because you know his most interesting stuff (The origonal trilogy and then dies in TFA). So nobody really cared. But Episode 9 is another story, that's a big tentpole and the final movie of this really fucking shitty trilogy. If it crashes, Kennedy is done. Also lol if they keep Rain Johnson around for another trilogy.
 
I have no idea how they're planning to do another trilogy after this one. They're either going to have to set it all the way back in the Old Republic era or skip a few hundred to a thousand years in the future to get away from the dumpster fire that is the sequel trilogy. It'll destroy any supplementary material of the Old Republic if that's what they go for so I hope they pull a Bioware and set it in the distant future in wild space.
 
I have no idea how they're planning to do another trilogy after this one. They're either going to have to set it all the way back in the Old Republic era or skip a few hundred to a thousand years in the future to get away from the dumpster fire that is the sequel trilogy. It'll destroy any supplementary material of the Old Republic if that's what they go for so I hope they pull a Bioware and set it in the distant future in wild space.

I wonder how they'd spin either option. Especially considering how Rian Johnson spent a whole movie shitting on the Jedi order and everything it stood for. Either way, it's gonna look clunky.
 
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