Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Judge Holden]

That's sounds like a concept Obsidian may have thought of for KOTOR 3.
Who would want to make it, though?
It sounds like a beautiful end to SW, but you're pretty much burying the franchise's relevance if you produce such a thing.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems like a final hurrah, not unlike Logan.

It could be done as a final hurrah if the first option is taken (i.e. every last force user either giving up their powers in some DBZ spirit bomb style "kill off super space cthulhu" style thing, or flat out every last jedi and sith going down in a blaze of glory against whatever universe annihilating force they are faced with) and arguably the last option, but with the second option the writers get to completely unshackle themselves from the constraints of the past regarding the force and its powers and limitations in a way that hopefully doesnt make zero fucking sense/pisses off the fans/makes the resident protagonist inexplicably a god mode mary sue like TLJ did.

Hell if you wanted to be really fucking cynical with the "the force conciously evolves and begins granting more power to its light/dark side champions" route, you could halfway start ripping off the Marvel shit with individual jedi and sith getting character specific "i cant believe its not superpowers" force abilities. Either way it leaves plenty of room for the franchise to continue indefinitely

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

Just give us a Grand Admiral Thrawn movie.

 

[Flexo]

I get what you are saying. So much EU shit thrown at the wall along with the occasional nugget of gold (i.e. KOTOR) means there are precious few original concepts left that can be used.

....on the other hand, in about 5 seconds I was able to come up with a concept that im pretty damn sure has never been explored in any Star Wars media.

That being the concept of the Jedi and Sith and the Force becoming utterly outclassed and obsolete thanks to advancing technology and science being able to easily nullify, counter, and surpass their abilities, bringing the whole concept of the force right back to that scene in A New Hope when dis nigga....
https://sneed-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/57/03/28/570328da1ba1e13c4aa14dade8e2e426.jpg
....was sneering in Darth Vader's face about how fucking pathetic he was and the force was in the grand scheme of things. Only now, that bad combover motherfucker's spiritual successor would actually be 100% correct, and the proverbial Vader would be left behind in the dirt.

From there the story could go in any different direction.
- It could be the Jedi and Sith having one final swan song and uniting to save the galaxy a final time before they fade away into irrelevancy
- It could be the force itself evolving to match how the galaxy was going in order to allow its will (for better and for worse) to be done by its jedi and sith champions
- Hell it could be a full on post apocalyptic story along the lines of "this hyper advanced science and tech inadvertently resulted in hyperspace itself going batshit hell crazy, leaving every planet almost completely isolated and all that advanced tech breaking down to ruin, and the jedi and sith rising again since their advantage has been solidly restored, and only they are able to navigate through the chaotic nightmare hyperspace has become" (only slightly ripped off from warhammer 40k)

Point is, if random fucktards like me can pull unused and not completely unsalvagable concepts out our asses in a few minutes, im fairly sure a professional writer can.

What about building a force sensitive droid?

Or a post apocalyptic story.

Or something even further to when the old stories are now like arthurian legends?

Fans and authors could come up with thousands of different possibilities while keeping within the spirit and feel of star wars.

Rian johnson was more concerned with his own idea than honoring what came before.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So Solo is Disney’s third biggest bomb behind John Carter and Lone Ranger?

 

[Troglodyte.35]

At this point I feel like Lucasfilms is a financial dominatress while the fans are just paypigs. This relationship is so surreal.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

At this point I feel like Lucasfilms is a financial dominatress while the fans are just paypigs. This relationship is so surreal.

Idk why but that Colbert trailer unintentionally makes it look like he is making fun of the people who are upset by the news of Rose’s actor and their attempts to piss off male SW’s fans

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Came across this just now.

He believes the shit articles attacking the fans and potentially even the attacks on Miss Tran to close her Instagram may have been concocted by SJWs and their bots trying to frame Star Wars fans.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I haven't seen Solo yet, and after The Last Jedi I have no plans to; the best they might get out of me is if they screen a marathon at my local theatre before Episode IX. Han Solo died in VII, and I don't care if they weave up his backstory to say he had a "Rosebud". They had Mark Hamill to use and they threw that opportunity away without a second thought.

 

[AnOminous]

Came across this just now.

He believes the shit articles attacking the fans and potentially even the attacks on Miss Tran to close her Instagram may have been concocted by SJWs and their bots trying to frame Star Wars fans.

Get a load of the rest of this guy's YouTube. He's like a cross between Alex Jones and The Amazing Atheist.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfwE_ODI1YTbdjkzuSi1Nag

He thinks literally everything is a vast SJW conspiracy. Also Hasbro is conspiring against him.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I mean, idiot “jounralists” and “bloggers” like...........Chris Chan

I don't think Chris gives a fuck about Star Wars

 

[Vault Boy]

I don't think Chris gives a fuck about Star Wars

Yeah, he's way more into MLP, Sonic, and a shitty Ghostbusters knockoff than he is with Star Wars.

By all means, lament the current state of Star Wars if you want, but don't blame Chris for it.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Yeah, he's way more into MLP, Sonic, and a shitty Ghostbusters knockoff than he is with Star Wars.

By all means, lament the current state of Star Wars if you want, but don't blame Chris for it.

It got me really annoyed that the media are attacking the SW fans for dissing on Disney's half-ass raping towards Star Wars.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

It's as if the media (and the shills for Disney) are intentionally forgetting the fan backlash and vitriol for the Prequels. Remember all of the Jar Jar merchandise leading up to the Phantom Menace? And how everything Jar Jar related didn't sell and how you can find vintage Jar Jar toys on eBay for dirt cheap still? All of this shit should sound VERY familiar!

I can tell you right now that Jake Lloyd has endured more "harassment" and "abuse" from angry Star Wars fans than anybody from the Disney Star Wars series. And Jake Lloyd has never had an entire corporation or the entire media defending him. At all. I genuinely feel sorry for that guy; he was just a young kid who accepted a role in a Star Wars movie ... I dare anyone to say they wouldn't have jumped at that opportunity as a kid.

And look at all of the criticisms towards Natalie Portman's Padme! I remember fans being genuinely pissed and annoyed at the reason of her death because she came across as "too weak of a female character"! Steven Colbert can genuinely go fuck himself if he thinks that Star Wars fans don't want to see strong characters who happen to be female. I'm not a self-loathing woman when I say that Rey is hardly even a character or that Rose is the most annoying Star Wars character since Jar Jar. End of story!

I guess the point to what I'm saying is that you can find dumb fans anywhere, and that they have ALWAYS existed. They have never reflected the majority of the fanbases though, and calling something like a "bigot-fueled attack" these days is morally and intellectually dishonest. Fans sending threats and harassment isn't cool at all; but I'm sick of people in the media putting every deflated and critical Star Wars fan in that same category.

EDIT: And if "nerds" or the "general public" are soooo sexist and racist ... Then please ... I really would like to know why movies like Wonder Woman and Black Panther were such box office hits. Domestically, Black Panther has still outgrossed ALL other comic book movies in existence (including Infinity War).

Methinks people just want good movies with good characters. But hey, I guess I'm just a bigot for saying that ... For some reason.

 

[Vault Boy]

It's as if the media (and the shills for Disney) are intentionally forgetting the fan backlash and vitriol for the Prequels. Remember all of the Jar Jar merchandise leading up to the Phantom Menace? And how everything Jar Jar related didn't sell and how you can find vintage Jar Jar toys on eBay for dirt cheap still? All of this shit should sound VERY familiar!

I can tell you right now that Jake Lloyd has endured more "harassment" and "abuse" from angry Star Wars fans than anybody from the Disney Star Wars series. And Jake Lloyd has never had an entire corporation or the entire media defending him. At all. I genuinely feel sorry for that guy; he was just a young kid who accepted a role in a Star Wars movie ... I dare anyone to say they wouldn't have jumped at that opportunity as a kid.

And look at all of the criticisms towards Natalie Portman's Padme! I remember fans being genuinely pissed and annoyed at the reason of her death because she came across as "too weak of a female character"! Steven Colbert can genuinely go fuck himself if he thinks that Star Wars fans don't want to see strong characters who happen to be female. I'm not a self-loathing woman when I say that Rey is hardly even a character or that Rose is the most annoying Star Wars character since Jar Jar. End of story!

I guess the point to what I'm saying is that you can find dumb fans anywhere, and that they have ALWAYS existed. They have never reflected the majority of the fanbases though, and calling something like a "bigot-fueled attack" these days is morally and intellectually dishonest. Fans sending threats and harassment isn't cool at all; but I'm sick of people in the media putting every deflated and critical Star Wars fan in that same category.

EDIT: And if "nerds" or the "general public" are soooo sexist and racist ... Then please ... I really would like to know why movies like Wonder Woman and Black Panther were such box office hits. Domestically, Black Panther has still outgrossed ALL other comic book movies in existence (including Infinity War).

Methinks people just want good movies with good characters. But hey, I guess I'm just a bigot for saying that ... For some reason.

Some people still continue to shit all over the Prequels and George Lucas, and some of them are bitching about how people can't stop shitting on The Last Jedi. The sheer hypocrisy just blows my mind, why is complaining about a single movie for almost a year considered bad when complaining about a trilogy for nearly 20 years is considered good?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Some people still continue to shit all over the Prequels and George Lucas, and some of them are bitching about how people can't stop shitting on The Last Jedi. The sheer hypocrisy just blows my mind, why is complaining about a single movie for almost a year considered bad when complaining about a trilogy for nearly 20 years is considered good?

Exactomundo!

Not that I'm coming to the defense of the Prequels (because, let's face it: no matter how bad the Disney Star Wars movies are, the Prequels are STILL bad), but it's ridiculous how people are quick to conveniently "forget" the still oh-so-outspoken criticisms for those films. And George Lucas still deserves a shitton of criticisms, as the one Trilogy I actually LIKE has been Frankenstein'd so many times with every new format release that it's insane.

Star Wars fans have it bad, plain and simple. I don't think there has been a good Star Wars movie since Return of the Jedi. I tolerate Revenge of the Sith and I tolerate Rogue One solely because of the final 30 minutes, but that's really it. And the quality just keeps dipping. I saw Solo (I had a free movie pass to go see it), and I was taken aback by how cheap it looked and just how terrible the cinematography was. As much as I hate The Last Jedi, the movie was AT LEAST okay-looking.

One positive thing I will say about the Prequels though: George Lucas made those big films independently, and while others didn't like it, he made the story that he wanted to see. The Disney Star Wars films are all about pandering to identity politics (feminism) in a sad attempt to widen their demographics for more $$$. That's all it is. When the Prequels have more artistic merit than your films do, then there's a big-ass problem.

I think that my personal outcry against these new movies just really has to do with the fact that it's a "final straw" for me as a Star Wars fan. Enough is enough. There have been 10 movies in this franchise and only 3 of them are any good, and the last good one was 35 years ago. And now with The Last Jedi easily being the worst Star Wars movie I've ever seen, I just feel dead inside when Star Wars is even mentioned to me. It's hard to even call myself a fan now.

 

[Flexo]

I think that my personal outcry against these new movies just really has to do with the fact that it's a "final straw" for me as a Star Wars fan. Enough is enough. There have been 10 movies in this franchise and only 3 of them are any good, and the last good one was 35 years ago. And now with The Last Jedi easily being the worst Star Wars movie I've ever seen, I just feel dead inside when Star Wars is even mentioned to me. It's hard to even call myself a fan now.

12 movies. 13 if you count the clone wars thing (which I saw in theater and is why I say it should count)

Don't let the memory of the ewok films die.

Heck I'm really wanting to get a bootleg version of them and rewatch them to see if they are actually better than TLJ (i remember the 2nd one being kind of hardcore - but very willow-esque).

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

EDIT: And if "nerds" or the "general public" are soooo sexist and racist ... Then please ... I really would like to know why movies like Wonder Woman and Black Panther were such box office hits.

That one's easy to answer:

It's thanks to the support of the media and #woke people.
Their ceaseless support made these movies succeed.

So, in other words: self-serving bullshit. This bigoted boogeyman conveniently only ever rears his ugly head when a movie turns out to be shit. Like with Ghostbusters or now the newest installments of "Toy-sales Wars". And as conveniently as this boogeyman pops up, he also conveniently sinks into obscurity the moment a movie with a shitton of "diverse" actors succeeds.

 

[knightlautrec]

Well his mouthpiece in the game was a bitter, broken old woman.

Says a lot she's a far stronger female character than anything in the movies.

She really is. I like Leia but lets face it, the new SW kind of killed what interest there was about her by making her this sad matriarch of a Resistance that shouldn't be. Leia SHOULD be head of a new Galactic Republic not regulated to a backwater planet fighting knock off Imperials. It still mind boggles me how badly structured the setting is in the new movies and undoes essentially everything the final film did.

 

[mrdk_04]

It still mind boggles me how badly structured the setting is in the new movies and undoes essentially everything the final film did.

Which begs the question: why would any of the people that grow up watching nu-SW even bother to check out the original trilogy or (god forbid) the prequels?
The new movies blatantly steal or recycle content from the previous movies, almost like "A Best of..." SW.
Obscure details are being referenced everywhere in order to endear longtime fans, yet they serve no purpose beyond a shallow "I got that reference!". (vid related)

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[RockVolnutt]

She really is. I like Leia but lets face it, the new SW kind of killed what interest there was about her by making her this sad matriarch of a Resistance that shouldn't be. Leia SHOULD be head of a new Galactic Republic not regulated to a backwater planet fighting knock off Imperials. It still mind boggles me how badly structured the setting is in the new movies and undoes essentially everything the final film did.

My knowledge of EU material set after the OT is sketchy but it's funny to compare both versions of that family. In old canon Leia Solo went on to be both a politician in the New Republic and a Jedi with Han eventually becoming a general after cleaning up his act, both staying together into old age and even becoming grandparents despite the issues parenthood/responsibilities dropped on them. Meanwhile new canon has General Organa in "The Resistance" that formed from the New Republic refusing to arm itself and who mostly squandered having the same aptitude in the Force as the other Skywalkers, Han having left at some point to return to being a smuggler.

It's your opinion which direction is better for stories but it is one of the most radical differences between both canons.