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Memology 101 said:
Phil stating a 11$ is normal for a 1k views video is proof of a lot of shit.
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Look, he had about a million Youtube views in August:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dsps-bank-deposit-log.45230/

Does anyone really think he's making $10000/month of passive income on Youtube right now? Why would he be begging and scraping for bits all day on Twitch if so? Why would he keep whining about the minutiae of Youtube monetization and ad placement and so on if he was already getting $120K/year just for sitting on his ass? I know greed is massively strong, but DSP hates his job with a passion and if he were in such a comfortable financial position he wouldn't give a single spare thought to "work stuff". And yet he does.
 
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So the CPM is really that high? Its my channel, I have never been partnered.

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Kosher Dill said:
Why would he be begging and scraping for bits all day on Twitch if so? Why would he keep whining about the minutiae of Youtube monetization and ad placement and so on if he was already getting $120K/year just for sitting on his ass?
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There are two reasons Phil does anything:

1. greed

2. any time spent begging means less time playing games

I don’t think he’s getting anywhere near the CPM numbers it’s now been suggested he has. 1-2 CPM was still giving him a crazy amount of money for passive, effortless ‘work’. But observing Phil for as long as we all have, especially in a week when he cried about losing money he never had, if he lost £100 of ad revenue he’d beg and moan regardless of if he was making bank.
 
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Kosher Dill said:
Look, he had about a million Youtube views in August:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dsps-bank-deposit-log.45230/

Does anyone really think he's making $10000/month of passive income on Youtube right now? Why would he be begging and scraping for bits all day on Twitch if so? Why would he keep whining about the minutiae of Youtube monetization and ad placement and so on if he was already getting $120K/year just for sitting on his ass? I know greed is massively strong, but DSP hates his job with a passion and if he were in such a comfortable financial position he wouldn't give a single spare thought to "work stuff". And yet he does.
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That's all it really is: Greed. Like others have said Phil (in his mind) needs to live lavishly. He needs all the expensive toys because in his mind he deserves it for all his hard work. He could be set for life, but because his greed is massively strong he can't because he always needs that high end toy or needs to pay for bills he doesn't even use all that much!
 
I watch a guy who covers controversial topics a lot that YouTube legit hates, during a livestream people were asking about how much he gets from ad revenue so he pulled it up live to check. For the last 30 days he had 2.2 million views he got $220 bucks, his CPM was $0.10.

I watch a vlogger who will currently get 4 unskippable 15 second Premium ads on a 15 minute video that she places. Neither of them are currently partnered with anything. She initially partnered with an MCN for her first year because she thought you just had to or you would get screwed. She regretted it when she saw how much of her money the MCN got, but she was locked in a contract and didn't initially start YouTube thinking about making money at all.
YouTube CPM can be extremely variable. One thing that is a constant though is Dave's ability to consistently lie. I still find the things pointing to him currently receiving a $1 CPM and under an MCN in the last few years recieving a $2 to $2.50 CPM very consistently plausible.

I think what you are seeing in Dave responding to this guy is the types of CPM Dave was seeing prior to 2016. Those types of CPM are still possible if you have a channel with good stats, and good content where you don't talk about disgusting shit, swear, and make loud bodily noises constantly as your 'commentary'. But keep in mind he was partnered with Machinima who generally offer a flat $2 to $2.50 CPM whatever your actual YouTube CPM is https://www.reddit.com/r/letsplay/comments/2t1993/never_join_machinima_and_heres_why/ but Dave didn't care because that was making him over $100K per year (By 2016 he had 350 million channel views, just roughly approximating 70 million views per year from the channel's creation in 2010, in 2012 it got monitized with Machinima so that's $140K/year for 3 years) and it allowed him to be his favorite thing: lazy. So he never had to deal with claims or copyright notices etc. Post Machinima we have a Dave who cries 'the sky is falling' at anything below $10K per month. In 2016 he only got 27 million channel views and was partnered with Machinima still. Now you get a good picture of why Dave really flipped his shit when the Adpocalypse hit. He was supposed to be guaranteed a CPM but wasn't getting paid it because no ad revenue was coming in. Dave at that point probably wanted to jump ship for an MCN that would do a percentage split, and was willing to make a big stink until he got more money or released, but like in everything he had no actual awareness of his environment.

Edit: Also there's the possibility that Dave is a complete REEtard who thought the guy got $10 and that the video had 10K views and not 1K views. A $1 CPM is average.
 
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Prince Lotor said:
Edit: Also there's the possibility that Dave is a complete REEtard who thought the guy got $10 and that the video had 10K views and not 1K views. A $1 CPM is average.
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This is a good point.

And thanks to everybody for sharing their thoughts (and in some cases, their CPMs). That's very helpful, and I do think it's more likely that Phil is in the $1-$2 (with occasionally monthly increases to higher CPM) average range. As has been pointed out, based on some of his statements about the relative comparison between Twitch and Youtube toward the end of 2017, $2 CPM made sense.

I was just thrown off by the statement that seemed to imply a $10 CPM was "average" for the views on that one guy's video.
 
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I was just thrown off by the statement that seemed to imply a $10 CPM was "average" for the views on that one guy's video.
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Yeah, everything else but "average". Internet states a 4 is quite average, on multiple sources, but the individual numbers could be widespread. Beauty Youtubers seem to have a quite high CPM cause they advert literal products, while gaming seems more like an afterthought. However this might have changed during the last years as gaming got more accepted and you can see a load of different gaming ads. If you're interested, this is my CPM:
Same category as Dave, gaming. But different country and I'm in a network, although not very active. So not sure how relevant these numbers are.
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I also tried to look up some informations about CPM today and could at least find a German website which quite nicely calculates the final loan, at least more specific than Socialblade. It can't pull specific numbers, except the views, but it uses quite fitting estimations and facts.
On the above you can type in the channel to pull the daily views (which changes every few minutes).
Then there is the "Dämpfungswert" (Value of Loss through Adblock).
They also take into consideration how much money Youtube will take (it's always 45%, the Youtuber gets 55%).
"Wiedergabebasierter CPM" is the Playback-Based CPM.
Also not forget to convert € to $.

Of course this page only makes sense with an active channel. The pulled numbers on the current KOgaming1 wouldn't make any sense at all if I try to hit the value of "I make $10 a day" (equals 8,60€). But maybe we have an information on DSPgaming somewhere?
 
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_XXIII_ said:
1. greed
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pretty much, if phil realized he lost a dollar bill in his house he would move all the furniture and tear his house apart just to find it.
if he made one dollar less month B than in month A, he will spend the night in a cold sweat nursing his gin.
he could win the lottery and still beg the next day
phil can never be happy because he always wants more, like the cancer he is.

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2. any time spent begging means less time playing games
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never thought of it that way
and it is true, he hates playing video games, he will do everything in his power to limit his time playing
 
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I don't get why we're taking Dave saying something once as proof that 100 other statements of his (some so offhand it's hard to believe he'd be lying) as well as our own Autistic Math are off by a factor of 3-5?

Dave has consistently said that Youtube earns him less than Twitch, it seems believeable considering the difference in effort Twitch and Youtube take (real interaction) yet he continues to push Twitch hard, despite it not being the easier route.

1-2 CPM fits all the information we have except a single statement from Dave toward someone with better stats than him, a prime time to lie/mislead.

To clarify I'm saying maybe Dave said $10CPM was "average" to hide the fact that some rando internet nobody has 10x the CPM that he does.
 
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Destro1986 said:
I don't get why we're taking Dave saying something once as proof that 100 other statements of his (some so offhand it's hard to believe he'd be lying) as well as our own Autistic Math are off by a factor of 3-5?

Dave has consistently said that Youtube earns him less than Twitch, it seems believeable considering the difference in effort Twitch and Youtube take (real interaction) yet he continues to push Twitch hard, despite it not being the easier route.

1-2 CPM fits all the information we have except a single statement from Dave toward someone with better stats than him, a prime time to lie/mislead.

To clarify I'm saying maybe Dave said $10CPM was "average" to hide the fact that some rando internet nobody has 10x the CPM that he does.
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It's still nice to have actual facts though so that we know he's talking out his ass. Nobody with half a brain believes anything he says anymore. Nor should they. Things like this though may show someone who is a fan exactly why he's lying and then they may say enough is enough.
 
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Wurstbrot said:
I also tried to look up some informations about CPM today and could at least find a German website which quite nicely calculates the final loan, at least more specific than Socialblade. It can't pull specific numbers, except the views, but it uses quite fitting estimations and facts.
On the above you can type in the channel to pull the daily views (which changes every few minutes).
Then there is the "Dämpfungswert" (Value of Loss through Adblock).
They also take into consideration how much money Youtube will take (it's always 45%, the Youtuber gets 55%).
"Wiedergabebasierter CPM" is the Playback-Based CPM.
Also not forget to convert € to $.
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This page is very helpful. Pulling in DSPGaming's views and leaving the other stuff as is, it gives a monthly income of ~$1500, which is in the ballpark of what an average of $1-$2 CPM gives as well, so I'm feeling much better about it now. Thanks.

Destro1986 said:
I don't get why we're taking Dave saying something once as proof that 100 other statements of his (some so offhand it's hard to believe he'd be lying) as well as our own Autistic Math are off by a factor of 3-5?

Dave has consistently said that Youtube earns him less than Twitch, it seems believeable considering the difference in effort Twitch and Youtube take (real interaction) yet he continues to push Twitch hard, despite it not being the easier route.

1-2 CPM fits all the information we have except a single statement from Dave toward someone with better stats than him, a prime time to lie/mislead.

To clarify I'm saying maybe Dave said $10CPM was "average" to hide the fact that some rando internet nobody has 10x the CPM that he does.
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Rest assured I don't take Phil at his exact word. But because he doesn't do well at keeping a continuous lie, it's usually possible to put up bounds on things like this. Take, for instance, his early statements on his back state taxes. He would never give an exact amount, but he would say things like "it's not more then $10k". Okay, cool. So let's assume he's exaggerating (Phil? Never!) and cut it in half to $5k. All of a sudden, we get $5000 spread over ~2.5 years (this was 2014-2016), and we could take the highest possible business tax rate of 1.5% and back out ($5000 / 0.015 = $333,333 taxable income) that Phil was roughly making $100k+ in 2014-2016, even as he was crying poor then. Taken alone, that's flimsy at best, but when you look at his income from 2017 that was worked out, it came out to around $100k (minimum) as well. Since there were demonstrable changes that resulted in a drop in his income (losing Machinima, for instance), we can infer things about his previous income.

TL;DR: You're right, but there are, to use Phil's terminology, nuggets of truth contained within.
 
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My tism is still getting triggered by all this "King of Retro" shit I am seeing from Phil. This is the same Phil that rage quit Mega Man X3 after getting the Hyper Chip which basically turns you into a golden god.
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You'd think with the release of the MMX Legacy Collection he'd at least try to capitalize on that unearned title and do a X3 Redemption Run.
 
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Rest assured I don't take Phil at his exact word. But because he doesn't do well at keeping a continuous lie, it's usually possible to put up bounds on things like this. Take, for instance, his early statements on his back state taxes. He would never give an exact amount, but he would say things like "it's not more then $10k". Okay, cool. So let's assume he's exaggerating (Phil? Never!) and cut it in half to $5k. All of a sudden, we get $5000 spread over ~2.5 years (this was 2014-2016), and we could take the highest possible business tax rate of 1.5% and back out ($5000 / 0.015 = $333,333 taxable income) that Phil was roughly making $100k+ in 2014-2016, even as he was crying poor then. Taken alone, that's flimsy at best, but when you look at his income from 2017 that was worked out, it came out to around $100k (minimum) as well. Since there were demonstrable changes that resulted in a drop in his income (losing Machinima, for instance), we can infer things about his previous income.

TL;DR: You're right, but there are, to use Phil's terminology, nuggets of truth contained within.
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If he made $100k a year minimum barely two years ago, yet he doesn't have ANY of it saved because Phil obviously has no fucking clue how to manage his finances properly (else he wouldn't be owning a Condo he has no use for), I want to know just what in hell he's SPENDING it on.
 
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